622whp UBERDATA tuned LSVTEC *MSPi/Turbo Dave Top Mount Manifold*

[93H22ACX]

That's also not the 721whp dyno either. Go back and reread. The other dyno where it made a little more is in MPH therefore IT wouldn't be a comparison. This dyno is in RPM's therefore a comparison can be made.

i'll try to get one of his real old setup.... with the regular 67 with the 63a/r....if needed LOL

[v8killr]

all weaksause...another civic will soon be up and representing.

just f-ing with ya...nice numbers. i think anything over 600whp is nice. 800+ is really NICE.

[v8killr]

also 9.5:1 VS 10:1 is :jerkit:

thats nothing to argue about. i think if you plan on keeping that motor for any length of period you need to upgrade your rods, fuel pump, and more parts probably.

good luck this season...cant wait until racing starts.

[Vteckidd]

9.5:1 vs 10:1 is a big deal in power at 30psi, sorry man

[v8killr]

9.5:1 vs 10:1 is a big deal in power at 30psi, sorry man

show me how much difference

like 200rpm? lol

maybe 20-30hp

also ill start a debate about your head...it is NOT stock man...by any means.

[SPOOLIN]

you talking about my head, im lost. my head flow wise is stock.

Compression thing has never really jumped at me either. ive never seen pure results from jumping to 10:1 from 9.0:1

I'm changing things out this week, We'll see what happens.

[PSINXS]

props to msp and TD. spoolin u doint it big man. big ups to you on the real.

[Vteckidd]

yeah i would say its a 30-40whp difference from a 9.5:1 motor vs a 10:1 motor all things being equal.

seen it happen. 1.6L 9:1 motors take 18PSI to make 300whp, when another 1.6l at 10:1 takes 14psi to make 300whp. same turbos, same manifold, same exhaust, etc.

lower compression means MORE boost to make the SAME power as a higher compression motor, thats common knowledge.

The head Spoolin has is STOCK, and id love to see why you think its not. BTW who are you again?

[Vteckidd]

also 9.5:1 VS 10:1 is :jerkit:

thats nothing to argue about. i think if you plan on keeping that motor for any length of period you need to upgrade your rods, fuel pump, and more parts probably.

good luck this season...cant wait until racing starts.

so whay arent his eagle rods good enough?

His tune is fine with the fuel ump he has now, but for MORE power he needs a another walbro. look at the a/f ratios, they never lean out, but they would start to if he ran more boost.

the rest of his parts are fine, sleeved block, our manifold, forged rods an pistons. it can handle 800whp if he had the turbo to make the power.

[SPOOLIN]

yeah i would say its a 30-40whp difference from a 9.5:1 motor vs a 10:1 motor all things being equal.

seen it happen. 1.6L 9:1 motors take 18PSI to make 300whp, when another 1.6l at 10:1 takes 14psi to make 300whp. same turbos, same manifold, same exhaust, etc.

lower compression means MORE boost to make the SAME power as a higher compression motor, thats common knowledge.

The head Spoolin has is NOT STOCK, and id love to see why you think its not. BTW who are you again?

i think you meant "the head spoolin has IS STOCK" haha

The casting is stock with no real port or polishing or valve work. The only thing not stock is the Rocket Valve Springs and retainers. I even have stock cam gears now, sold those worthless t00ls.

[Vteckidd]

yeah thats what i meant, its STOCK

[v8killr]

i think you meant "the head spoolin has IS STOCK" haha

The casting is stock with no real port or polishing or valve work. The only thing not stock is the Rocket Valve Springs and retainers. I even have stock cam gears now, sold those worthless t00ls.

so basically it is NOT stock correct man? lol. you just stated that yourself in your post.

i have stock cam gears as well...you dont need aftermarket cam gears to achieve 800+whp.

[Vteckidd]

If you want to split hairs, thats fine.

ill clarify, UNPORTED HEAD

[Vteckidd]

Motor specs:
84mm Golden Eagle Sleeves
JE 9.5:1 Pistons
Eagle Rods
JG Edelbrock manifold
1000cc injectors
Walbro 255
B16 CAMS
STOCK HEAD
Rocket Motorsports Gen1 Turbo Valvesprings and Retainers
MSPi/Turbo Dave Custom Top Mount Turbo Manifold
T3/T67 .83 A/R
Tial 38mm Wastegate
HKS SSQ BOV
Uberdata

in case you didnt read it on my first post.

[BABY J]

Well that SHOULD have been common knowledge. Who spins 600+ WHP pulls w/ stock retainers and valves?? Even if you were gonna pull to head to freshen then up w/ OEM parts, common sense would kick in and most tuners would opt for some Supertechs (which in my opinion are at the top of the game right now) or something other than OEM, and some aftermarket springs/retainers. And yeah you don't need aftermarket cam gears to get 800 wheel, but shit he's running stock b16 cams. Most he'd get by dialing in the factory cams is 5HP, and the magic formula for that is (roughly) -2i, -2e (plus +4 deg timing). But the timing equation goes out of the window due to elevated boost levels.

[v8killr]

ill see 800+wph on stock gsr cams/camgears. if he thinks he will have that much trouble on b16 cams then he shouldve got some gsr or ctr/itr cams at least.

[Vteckidd]

so your claiming 800whp? pics of the build please.

no offense but its easy to E Dyno. Some people dont have piles of cash. Spoolin did what he could , he spent the money where it counted :
Sleeved Block
Springs and Retainers
Rods/Pistons
Turbo
Manifold
Downpipe
Injectors

Cams take 30 min to swap out, he didnt have the extra money to pick up ITR cams, so he opted to dyno with what he had.

Fact is he made 622whp with a 3rd gear pull. if his 4th gear pull held, clearly, you can see it would have made 650ish.

We will redyno his VERY soon with the new cams. hes still in the top 5 in the state at this point IMO.

[BABY J]

ill see 800+wph on stock gsr cams/camgears. if he thinks he will have that much trouble on b16 cams then he shouldve got some gsr or ctr/itr cams at least.

NOW you are talking about cams/camgears when your orig argument was the head. Are you SERIOUS or do you just want to hear yourself talk? I really wanted to address the issue of the stock head w/ you which is why I said:

"Who spins 600+ WHP pulls w/ stock retainers and valves?? Even if you were gonna pull to head to freshen then up w/ OEM parts, common sense would kick in and most tuners would opt for some Supertechs (which in my opinion are at the top of the game right now) or something other than OEM, and some aftermarket springs/retainers."

I only threw in the cam/cam-gear comment b/c you mentioned it, and yes I even agreed w/ you when I said who REALLY cares about cam gears... if cam gears is keeping you from 800 wheel then you got more probs than cam gears. But I am really wondering what your big gripe/concern point is? It seems you just wanna keep some sh*t up, or just are here for the sake of arguing. What's the deal? This is not a rhetorical question, answer it! Not for the sake of fighting I am just following the thread and am trying to figure out your angle, that's all. Also NE1 who has seen my posts knows I am not one for this internet gayness of back and forth crap. And I am not knocking your project that's in progress, but this IS the net, and every1 I know "is getting" n20 and "is getting" a turbo and "is building" this and that. That's kool, just b/c I have 2 finished projects doesn't mean I was never at the "is building" stage... hell in fact I am building a 3rd as we speak. But unless you're posting some pics, or backing up your claims, or offering some solid tech/tuning advice, or at LEAST NOT being a hater on other people's projects then seriously you are just jacking the thread. EVERY1 knows there are hotter OEM cams than stock B16 cams, EVERY1 knows that Uber has limitiations (EVERY aftermarket box does by the way... pick your poison), EVERY1 knows that there are stronger B series' out there than 622 wheel. So what is your deal Bro?

Cams take 30 min to swap out, he didnt have the extra money to pick up ITR cams, so he opted to dyno with what he had.

Fact is he made 622whp with a 3rd gear pull. if his 4th gear pull held, clearly, you can see it would have made 650ish.

We will redyno his VERY soon with the new cams. hes still in the top 5 in the state at this point IMO.

Mike you do not have to "back up" spoolins progress man. Seriously, it is a DAMN good start, and like he says he is still dialing in the tune and the hard parts. It's a work in progress. I think most can agree that he's not gonna run 9:90s as it sits, but he is not done wrenching and tuning. Don't rush it, you have nothing to prove here... not on the net NEway. That time will come later. My .02

[Vteckidd]

thanks for the support man!

[BTLFED]

NOW you are talking about cams/camgears when your orig argument was the head. Are you SERIOUS or do you just want to hear yourself talk? I really wanted to address the issue of the stock head w/ you which is why I said:

"Who spins 600+ WHP pulls w/ stock retainers and valves?? Even if you were gonna pull to head to freshen then up w/ OEM parts, common sense would kick in and most tuners would opt for some Supertechs (which in my opinion are at the top of the game right now) or something other than OEM, and some aftermarket springs/retainers."

I only threw in the cam/cam-gear comment b/c you mentioned it, and yes I even agreed w/ you when I said who REALLY cares about cam gears... if cam gears is keeping you from 800 wheel then you got more probs than cam gears. But I am really wondering what your big gripe/concern point is? It seems you just wanna keep some sh*t up, or just are here for the sake of arguing. What's the deal? This is not a rhetorical question, answer it! Not for the sake of fighting I am just following the thread and am trying to figure out your angle, that's all. Also NE1 who has seen my posts knows I am not one for this internet gayness of back and forth crap. And I am not knocking your project that's in progress, but this IS the net, and every1 I know "is getting" n20 and "is getting" a turbo and "is building" this and that. That's kool, just b/c I have 2 finished projects doesn't mean I was never at the "is building" stage... hell in fact I am building a 3rd as we speak. But unless you're posting some pics, or backing up your claims, or offering some solid tech/tuning advice, or at LEAST NOT being a hater on other people's projects then seriously you are just jacking the thread. EVERY1 knows there are hotter OEM cams than stock B16 cams, EVERY1 knows that Uber has limitiations (EVERY aftermarket box does by the way... pick your poison), EVERY1 knows that there are stronger B series' out there than 622 wheel. So what is your deal Bro?



Mike you do not have to "back up" spoolins progress man. Seriously, it is a DAMN good start, and like he says he is still dialing in the tune and the hard parts. It's a work in progress. I think most can agree that he's not gonna run 9:90s as it sits, but he is not done wrenching and tuning. Don't rush it, you have nothing to prove here... not on the net NEway. That time will come later. My .02

I agree totally, and notice this "V8killr" guy is saying 700+ in his sig, but saying 800+ in his posts? Sounds like a hatin ass bench racer just arguing to make his e-penis grow.

[iloveboost]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

[BTLFED]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

Looks cool, but I would NEVER run an oil line between the timing belt and the block. Way too risky IMO.

[BABY J]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

Of course they do take time. I am not taking sides here either... it just seemed that he was being nit-picky and not really stating what his REAL point was/is. Of course builds take time... if not then we'd all be knockin on 4-digit crank HP #s. I just do not like to see people try to downplay some1 else's setup. I have the highest whp non-sponsored N/A Spec V (QR25DE) in the nation right now (that I know of) and that did not happen overnight, so I know the dedication it takes to go big or take the path less traveled on a build. I am just tryna wonder why rather than give props and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism that people are always on the attack. Getting hard parts and getting some1 to wrench is easy... any1 who has done anything more than a mild build knows that TUNING is the hard part... THAT'S where the spec sheet meets the concrete... and that's where you start not sleeping at night and "earn ya paycheck" as I call it. I hate to sound cliche, but basically if you don't have nothing nice to say then kinda just watch from the sidelines and kool out ya know?? I'm the 1st guy to help w/ some1 else's project... I have never been a hater. But I guess I am one of the ones who needs to shut up and let the haters hate. Like you I got nothing at stake here from either side... I do what I do and I let other people do what they do... I jst hate to see people get sh*t on for no reason.

--> v8killr is this your 1st big build?? (not calling you out I am just asking). I ask this b/c of your piston choice. IMO you can't show me a better engineered and finished piston than CP... you made a good choice based on quality. But for the pricepoint I say you went extreme (to each his own). If you have never burned out a piston (not to mention a CP) then trust me when I say it HURTS to replace 'em ($). If you're gonna race as hard as a 800HP build should be ran then your gonna be freshening up rings once a year, and a complete rebuild once a year (on average). Tossing in CPs is gonna eat away at your funding... what is your opinion on that? (before you assume that my pockets are nervous, let me assure you that they are not... I am a UNIX Systems Engineer. But I do like to work/think smarter and not harder when it comes to funding and I'd opt for a comparable piston at a cheaper pricepoint.) I won't say that I am cheap... I will say that I am "frugal" LOL.

[Vteckidd]

If he makes over 700whp, ill be the first to congratulate him.

however, if you want to come in here and purposefully pat yourself on the back, please, go do it in your own thread.

Heres our motto:
Dont make excuses......make power

[v8killr]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

man that seemed to shut some people up...lol.

and so everyone knows this isnt my 1st serious engine build. im not taking any shortcuts on this engine. if you read through my engine build post you will see that there are a lot of people in on this engine build. Cortney Green, Jasen Penman, Geoff(full-Race), and many more. As far as the pistons go, we first installed SuperTech pistons and found out they werent going to work for the power im looking to put down. 2 similar setups out in Utah had the same pistons and blew on the dyno. they hit 800+whp but blew at like 850ish so we are swapping them out for either Endyne or CP's. Either or i dont really care.

and i really wish i was just a bench racer after all this fucking cash i have spent in the last 6 months...haha. just ask the guy how much it took to get 622whp. oh and i fixed the 700whp build in my sig for the people that want to bitch...lol.

NOW...back on the topic. the only reason i started bitching is because i hate how many people say they have stock heads/blocks/engines when they really DONT! HERES MY MOTO...if you have upgraded anything in your engine then its NOT STOCK. its like someone asking for how much power someone made on a stock gsr block(for instance) and they say 500 whp and we all know good and well that isnt right. so then the dude says ... "well i have pistons and rods".... that shit makes me so mad...lol.

and to be in the top 5 is cool but i have a feeling that theres going to be a civic rising up pretty quick here in a couple months. 622 wont be able to hold 5th....just fucking with ya.

[Black R]

i really like this baby J...

[BABY J]

Y

man that seemed to shut some people up...lol.
and so everyone knows this isnt my 1st serious engine build. im not taking any shortcuts on this engine. if you read through my engine build post you will see that there are a lot of people in on this engine build. Cortney Green, Jasen Penman, Geoff(full-Race), and many more. As far as the pistons go, we first installed SuperTech pistons and found out they werent going to work for the power im looking to put down. 2 similar setups out in Utah had the same pistons and blew on the dyno. they hit 800+whp but blew at like 850ish so we are swapping them out for either Endyne or CP's. Either or i dont really care.
and i really wish i was just a bench racer after all this fucking cash i have spent in the last 6 months...haha. just ask the guy how much it took to get 622whp. oh and i fixed the 700whp build in my sig for the people that want to bitch...lol.
NOW...back on the topic. the only reason i started bitching is because i hate how many people say they have stock heads/blocks/engines when they really DONT! HERES MY MOTO...if you have upgraded anything in your engine then its NOT STOCK. its like someone asking for how much power someone made on a stock gsr block(for instance) and they say 500 whp and we all know good and well that isnt right. so then the dude says ... "well i have pistons and rods".... that shit makes me so mad...lol.
and to be in the top 5 is cool but i have a feeling that theres going to be a civic rising up pretty quick here in a couple months. 622 wont be able to hold 5th....just fucking with ya.

FINALLY!!! It's off-topic, but this is the 1st coherent post you've made in this whole thread!! LOL. Like Mike said, you got your thread, this is spoolin's. We won't get into the factors that blow pistons... but my experience has shown that setups that blow pistons have weaker links than pistons. You can blow high end pistons w/ a badly tuned 50 shot (wet), so that's nothing. In fact there are guys running Supertech pistons on the circuit that aren't blowing 'em. But I DO have your back when you speak about shortcuts... you always end up doing it the right way later, which I why i said to Mike to not rush spoolins project. Name-dropping is kool, I have heard great things about the tuners you mentioned. In fact when I was in CO I worked w/ Geoff on my 1st attempt at a 350WHP SOHC project. MY point was simply that it seems that you attacked spoolins project just to find an angle to mention your own. I do not know how competent you are, and I can careless... I can tell that at least you're smart enough to know who to ask where you should swipe your credit card at... and to me that's all that counts. Simply stated, what goes around comes around... you will be strapping down soon enough... will YOU have to balls to post preliminary numbers even though they may be short of your 700/800 wheel goals? To me THAT takes more balls than bouncing in someone's thread and pick apart their pitfalls. Any1 can hide the mistakes and only post when their 12th attempt FINALLY yields the results they expected with their 1st pull. Mike didn't even have to make a post at all until they MADE the power that they intended. I think that means that they are not tryna force a sh*t sandwich down every1s throat. I am not on NE1s side here but common sense, I am not a cheerleader for either team... more like a referee (if that makes sense to ya). I think ALL of our setups need to be critiqued... whether that's an ebay intake or a Cummins turbo strapped on a Suzuki Sidekick... the criticism keeps us all sharp, and levels the playing field w/ the domestics. Let's just keep it positive... that's what I am talking about. And I agree as well as far there is "stock" and then there is "not stock"... no in-between. But even in your thread you said "I am probably leaving some things out", so it happens. I don't think they were tryna blow smoke up our asses on the head, I just think that they meant the the ports have not been reworked... no oversized valves, etc. But in your defense (not that you need me to defend you) I agree, it's either stock or not. As far as what "place" every1 is holding... hmmm... depends on what "race" you are running. You can play the WHP game, or you can play the timeslip game... collectively we will leave that to you all when you run. Just make sure I got good seats. My .02
Baby J

[95jdmdc4]

sick hp numbers, very nice!

[Vteckidd]

man that seemed to shut some people up...lol.


and i really wish i was just a bench racer after all this fucking cash i have spent in the last 6 months...haha. just ask the guy how much it took to get 622whp. oh and i fixed the 700whp build in my sig for the people that want to bitch...lol.

NOW...back on the topic. the only reason i started bitching is because i hate how many people say they have stock heads/blocks/engines when they really DONT! HERES MY MOTO...if you have upgraded anything in your engine then its NOT STOCK. its like someone asking for how much power someone made on a stock gsr block(for instance) and they say 500 whp and we all know good and well that isnt right. so then the dude says ... "well i have pistons and rods".... that shit makes me so mad...lol.

1) it didnt shut anyone up, right now i have seen no results from you, so im not intimidated, also, as i said, i wish you luck, but until it dynoes, you just have a really expensive collection of parts.

2) The head is STOCK. since when do Valve springs and retainers GIVE you power? Also, in case you MISSED IT, i said the head was stock with valvesprings and retainers in the mod list. Everyone and their brother knew what i meant, im sorry i had to spell it out to you.

3) Your playing the SAME game you are bitching about. Your saying your build will make 800whp plus, yet it doesnt even run yet. sounds hypocritical to me.

so in closing, i dont care how much money you have spent. If your car doesnt make over 700whp, after all this trash talking, id never post again if i were you.

I dont care how much power your GOING to make, post a dyno, and youll earn my respect.

I dont care how many motors youve built. it makes no difference to me.

it seems you only wanted to post to point out the negative things , and blow your own horn. Personally ive never heard of you, and i dont know you at all. so i could care less what your opinion is.

thanks, and good luck to you on your motor

Mike

[v8killr]

you got to be fucking kidding me.

i cant believe you still think your head is stock...lmao. and me making the power i want has nothing to do with this thread...youre correct but the ONLY reason i brought it up is because i was called a bench racer so fuck off. my collection of parts have proven power over and over again. and as far as your aftermarket parts in your head...do me a favor and take them out then dyno at the same boost level and we will see if you make as much power. AGAIN im just trying to prove a fucking point. if you dont drop a valve or fuck some shit up then you will sooner or later...I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE. your head is NOT stock.

[BTLFED]

you got to be fucking kidding me.

i cant believe you still think your head is stock...lmao. and me making the power i want has nothing to do with this thread...youre correct but the ONLY reason i brought it up is because i was called a bench racer so fuck off. my collection of parts have proven power over and over again. and as far as your aftermarket parts in your head...do me a favor and take them out then dyno at the same boost level and we will see if you make as much power. AGAIN im just trying to prove a fucking point. if you dont drop a valve or fuck some shit up then you will sooner or later...I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE. your head is NOT stock.

The PHYSICAL HEAD ITSELF is still stock! He has done NO machine work to it what so ever! What fucking part of this are you missing? Why are you making something so stupid into a pissing contest? The only point you are proving is that you love to split hairs for no reason, and you know how to spend thousands of dollars on a fucking Honda engine basing it on what you have read on the internet that works. So fucking what? Make sure you leave that oil feed line right there on your build. I hope it flails around next to the timing belt so it rubs against it and snaps it. Then you can have thousands of dollars spent for a paperweight.

[Vteckidd]

Again, valvesprings and retianers give you higher RPM, not more power. if your argument is that we could rev higher and make more power, thats fine, i agree with that.

however, it made 600whp WELL in the accepted range of stock valvesprings. Go look at the dyno again.

The head is STOCK PORT. there is that better for you.

[Vteckidd]

BTW, go read his build thread, this seems to be his attitude. he Bench an E dynos to his little hearts content.

[BTLFED]

BTW, go read his build thread, this seems to be his attitude. he Bench an E dynos to his little hearts content.

Just remember my quote about the word "hating." I think he may fit it well.

[josh green]

Talk about being nit picky. Go on honda tech and type in "stock head" in a search and see how many posts come up with STOCK heads with upgraded valvesprings and retainers. Take the valvesprings and retainers out and it will still make the same power. How high you rev a motor isnt going to make it more power. I can rev my motor to 9k just for the hell of it but my power falls off after 8k. I will bet money that with boost it will have the exact same effect.

How about we go around and say that it isnt a stock head if he has an aftermarket intake manifold or even a turbo manifold. They are the exact same thing as valvesprings and retainers. They are necessary head accessories IF you want to get technical.

Do I have a stock motor???? I have a SWAP header ( required for the motor to fit in the car) and a 3" U bend that you could call an intake b/c the stock intake and air box from the RSX does not fit in my car. Oh wait I have kpro as well, I guess that makes the motor not stock as well.

I think I will walk around saying that I have a BPU civic, I wander how many people will make fun of me for using a supra term...

[BTLFED]

I think I will walk around saying that I have a BPU civic, I wander how many people will make fun of me for using a supra term...

Your Civic just has bolt ons! The Engine just bolted in with new mounts, right?

[v8killr]

the oil feed is staying right where it is. you might really be suprised how many people run it like that. i really suprised how uneducated people are here when it comes to acuras/hondas. where exactly do you think that line will go? it will not hit the belt so what else will it contact besides the block?

im not fucking with this shit anymore. i really cant believe so many people believe that head is stock. if i have a stock gsr block and upgrade pistons and rods...would that make it still be stock. i really dont think so for some odd reason. like i said, take ALL the aftermarket parts out of your head and throw it back on the dyno and see what you get.



you all make me keep posting to this shit...lmfao.

im thru man...

[Vteckidd]

itll make the same power, LOOK AT THE GRAPH. it seems to me like you dont know how to read.

The motor CLEARLY makes over 600whp BEFORE 8500rpms. Stock valvesprings can go that high.

We dont know anything? let me EDUCATE you, your trying my patience:
I have the HIGHEST whp ALL MOTOR B series in the state (237/159)
HIGHEST STOCK BLOCK OEM ALL MOTOR B SERIES (203/133)
Spoolin made 515whp on Uberdata
Spoolin made 622whp on Ubderdata(possibly the highest in the country to my knowledge)
We are building currently
600whp LS (iloveboost)
750whp K series (no on the boards)
650whp GSR (jayone)

you think we are Noobs? please, post YOUR resume and YOUR dyno sheets. Not Courtney Greens, Not Geoff at Full Race, YOUR RESUME AND DYNOs.

Make a poll about if people think Valvesprings and Retainers add hp.

Ive seen you talk down to Trihn (runs 10s) and many other people that have been where you are TRYING to go LONG before you have even gotten your car to start. Why should i give you ANY credit, cause you have tons of money invested? sorry man, MAKE POWER, not pictures of what you got.

The head is STOCK PORT. If you want to still sit here and talk out your ass, thats your problem, i think people are OVERWHELMINGLY on my side, and im cool with that.

Remember who the moderator of this forum is as well before you go running your mouth to me.

Cunstructive criticism is welcome, blatant FLAMING for the sole purpose of bragging about yourself is retarded.

[v8killr]

how about i just come on down and well meet up for a friendly drag race when i get the civic running. bring all your cars so i can have a FUN time dude. good times...

i have no need to post up dyno sheets. ill lay down track times soon enough.

by the way...im not really impressed by all that shit you just typed above. im actually feeling sorry for ya. sorry i got you all bent out of shape over nothing...lmfao. :jerkit:

people on your side...i was one of them until you posted your head was stock. haha...stock as a fucking rock right?

Click here to watch stock-gsr-11s

[Vteckidd]

ok so you have no resume. thanks, still no respect or credibility. maybe in time when its done and you meet your goals youll receive it.

So now your turning this into my cars vs yours. im just asking what real world expierience you have , you answered my question, and failed to answer my others.

Is that your personal car running 11s, or are you still posting other peoples stuff?

Ypur not impressed by our accomplishments, but yet you have none yourself, or no proof of any.

thats all i needed , thanks