622whp UBERDATA tuned LSVTEC *MSPi/Turbo Dave Top Mount Manifold*

[iloveboost]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

[BTLFED]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

Looks cool, but I would NEVER run an oil line between the timing belt and the block. Way too risky IMO.

[BABY J]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

Of course they do take time. I am not taking sides here either... it just seemed that he was being nit-picky and not really stating what his REAL point was/is. Of course builds take time... if not then we'd all be knockin on 4-digit crank HP #s. I just do not like to see people try to downplay some1 else's setup. I have the highest whp non-sponsored N/A Spec V (QR25DE) in the nation right now (that I know of) and that did not happen overnight, so I know the dedication it takes to go big or take the path less traveled on a build. I am just tryna wonder why rather than give props and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism that people are always on the attack. Getting hard parts and getting some1 to wrench is easy... any1 who has done anything more than a mild build knows that TUNING is the hard part... THAT'S where the spec sheet meets the concrete... and that's where you start not sleeping at night and "earn ya paycheck" as I call it. I hate to sound cliche, but basically if you don't have nothing nice to say then kinda just watch from the sidelines and kool out ya know?? I'm the 1st guy to help w/ some1 else's project... I have never been a hater. But I guess I am one of the ones who needs to shut up and let the haters hate. Like you I got nothing at stake here from either side... I do what I do and I let other people do what they do... I jst hate to see people get sh*t on for no reason.

--> v8killr is this your 1st big build?? (not calling you out I am just asking). I ask this b/c of your piston choice. IMO you can't show me a better engineered and finished piston than CP... you made a good choice based on quality. But for the pricepoint I say you went extreme (to each his own). If you have never burned out a piston (not to mention a CP) then trust me when I say it HURTS to replace 'em ($). If you're gonna race as hard as a 800HP build should be ran then your gonna be freshening up rings once a year, and a complete rebuild once a year (on average). Tossing in CPs is gonna eat away at your funding... what is your opinion on that? (before you assume that my pockets are nervous, let me assure you that they are not... I am a UNIX Systems Engineer. But I do like to work/think smarter and not harder when it comes to funding and I'd opt for a comparable piston at a cheaper pricepoint.) I won't say that I am cheap... I will say that I am "frugal" LOL.

[v8killr]

Not to start an arguement and I'm not taking sides, but V8Killr doesn't have a bench racer setup. As with all big builds, they take time.

However, Spoolin's numbers are very impressive no matter how you look at it. He only has room to grow and make bigger numbers.

v8killr's build:
http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=37469

man that seemed to shut some people up...lol.

and so everyone knows this isnt my 1st serious engine build. im not taking any shortcuts on this engine. if you read through my engine build post you will see that there are a lot of people in on this engine build. Cortney Green, Jasen Penman, Geoff(full-Race), and many more. As far as the pistons go, we first installed SuperTech pistons and found out they werent going to work for the power im looking to put down. 2 similar setups out in Utah had the same pistons and blew on the dyno. they hit 800+whp but blew at like 850ish so we are swapping them out for either Endyne or CP's. Either or i dont really care.

and i really wish i was just a bench racer after all this fucking cash i have spent in the last 6 months...haha. just ask the guy how much it took to get 622whp. oh and i fixed the 700whp build in my sig for the people that want to bitch...lol.

NOW...back on the topic. the only reason i started bitching is because i hate how many people say they have stock heads/blocks/engines when they really DONT! HERES MY MOTO...if you have upgraded anything in your engine then its NOT STOCK. its like someone asking for how much power someone made on a stock gsr block(for instance) and they say 500 whp and we all know good and well that isnt right. so then the dude says ... "well i have pistons and rods".... that shit makes me so mad...lol.

and to be in the top 5 is cool but i have a feeling that theres going to be a civic rising up pretty quick here in a couple months. 622 wont be able to hold 5th....just fucking with ya.

[BABY J]

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man that seemed to shut some people up...lol.
and so everyone knows this isnt my 1st serious engine build. im not taking any shortcuts on this engine. if you read through my engine build post you will see that there are a lot of people in on this engine build. Cortney Green, Jasen Penman, Geoff(full-Race), and many more. As far as the pistons go, we first installed SuperTech pistons and found out they werent going to work for the power im looking to put down. 2 similar setups out in Utah had the same pistons and blew on the dyno. they hit 800+whp but blew at like 850ish so we are swapping them out for either Endyne or CP's. Either or i dont really care.
and i really wish i was just a bench racer after all this fucking cash i have spent in the last 6 months...haha. just ask the guy how much it took to get 622whp. oh and i fixed the 700whp build in my sig for the people that want to bitch...lol.
NOW...back on the topic. the only reason i started bitching is because i hate how many people say they have stock heads/blocks/engines when they really DONT! HERES MY MOTO...if you have upgraded anything in your engine then its NOT STOCK. its like someone asking for how much power someone made on a stock gsr block(for instance) and they say 500 whp and we all know good and well that isnt right. so then the dude says ... "well i have pistons and rods".... that shit makes me so mad...lol.
and to be in the top 5 is cool but i have a feeling that theres going to be a civic rising up pretty quick here in a couple months. 622 wont be able to hold 5th....just fucking with ya.

FINALLY!!! It's off-topic, but this is the 1st coherent post you've made in this whole thread!! LOL. Like Mike said, you got your thread, this is spoolin's. We won't get into the factors that blow pistons... but my experience has shown that setups that blow pistons have weaker links than pistons. You can blow high end pistons w/ a badly tuned 50 shot (wet), so that's nothing. In fact there are guys running Supertech pistons on the circuit that aren't blowing 'em. But I DO have your back when you speak about shortcuts... you always end up doing it the right way later, which I why i said to Mike to not rush spoolins project. Name-dropping is kool, I have heard great things about the tuners you mentioned. In fact when I was in CO I worked w/ Geoff on my 1st attempt at a 350WHP SOHC project. MY point was simply that it seems that you attacked spoolins project just to find an angle to mention your own. I do not know how competent you are, and I can careless... I can tell that at least you're smart enough to know who to ask where you should swipe your credit card at... and to me that's all that counts. Simply stated, what goes around comes around... you will be strapping down soon enough... will YOU have to balls to post preliminary numbers even though they may be short of your 700/800 wheel goals? To me THAT takes more balls than bouncing in someone's thread and pick apart their pitfalls. Any1 can hide the mistakes and only post when their 12th attempt FINALLY yields the results they expected with their 1st pull. Mike didn't even have to make a post at all until they MADE the power that they intended. I think that means that they are not tryna force a sh*t sandwich down every1s throat. I am not on NE1s side here but common sense, I am not a cheerleader for either team... more like a referee (if that makes sense to ya). I think ALL of our setups need to be critiqued... whether that's an ebay intake or a Cummins turbo strapped on a Suzuki Sidekick... the criticism keeps us all sharp, and levels the playing field w/ the domestics. Let's just keep it positive... that's what I am talking about. And I agree as well as far there is "stock" and then there is "not stock"... no in-between. But even in your thread you said "I am probably leaving some things out", so it happens. I don't think they were tryna blow smoke up our asses on the head, I just think that they meant the the ports have not been reworked... no oversized valves, etc. But in your defense (not that you need me to defend you) I agree, it's either stock or not. As far as what "place" every1 is holding... hmmm... depends on what "race" you are running. You can play the WHP game, or you can play the timeslip game... collectively we will leave that to you all when you run. Just make sure I got good seats. My .02
Baby J

[Vteckidd]

man that seemed to shut some people up...lol.


and i really wish i was just a bench racer after all this fucking cash i have spent in the last 6 months...haha. just ask the guy how much it took to get 622whp. oh and i fixed the 700whp build in my sig for the people that want to bitch...lol.

NOW...back on the topic. the only reason i started bitching is because i hate how many people say they have stock heads/blocks/engines when they really DONT! HERES MY MOTO...if you have upgraded anything in your engine then its NOT STOCK. its like someone asking for how much power someone made on a stock gsr block(for instance) and they say 500 whp and we all know good and well that isnt right. so then the dude says ... "well i have pistons and rods".... that shit makes me so mad...lol.

1) it didnt shut anyone up, right now i have seen no results from you, so im not intimidated, also, as i said, i wish you luck, but until it dynoes, you just have a really expensive collection of parts.

2) The head is STOCK. since when do Valve springs and retainers GIVE you power? Also, in case you MISSED IT, i said the head was stock with valvesprings and retainers in the mod list. Everyone and their brother knew what i meant, im sorry i had to spell it out to you.

3) Your playing the SAME game you are bitching about. Your saying your build will make 800whp plus, yet it doesnt even run yet. sounds hypocritical to me.

so in closing, i dont care how much money you have spent. If your car doesnt make over 700whp, after all this trash talking, id never post again if i were you.

I dont care how much power your GOING to make, post a dyno, and youll earn my respect.

I dont care how many motors youve built. it makes no difference to me.

it seems you only wanted to post to point out the negative things , and blow your own horn. Personally ive never heard of you, and i dont know you at all. so i could care less what your opinion is.

thanks, and good luck to you on your motor

Mike

[v8killr]

you got to be fucking kidding me.

i cant believe you still think your head is stock...lmao. and me making the power i want has nothing to do with this thread...youre correct but the ONLY reason i brought it up is because i was called a bench racer so fuck off. my collection of parts have proven power over and over again. and as far as your aftermarket parts in your head...do me a favor and take them out then dyno at the same boost level and we will see if you make as much power. AGAIN im just trying to prove a fucking point. if you dont drop a valve or fuck some shit up then you will sooner or later...I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE. your head is NOT stock.

[BTLFED]

you got to be fucking kidding me.

i cant believe you still think your head is stock...lmao. and me making the power i want has nothing to do with this thread...youre correct but the ONLY reason i brought it up is because i was called a bench racer so fuck off. my collection of parts have proven power over and over again. and as far as your aftermarket parts in your head...do me a favor and take them out then dyno at the same boost level and we will see if you make as much power. AGAIN im just trying to prove a fucking point. if you dont drop a valve or fuck some shit up then you will sooner or later...I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE. your head is NOT stock.

The PHYSICAL HEAD ITSELF is still stock! He has done NO machine work to it what so ever! What fucking part of this are you missing? Why are you making something so stupid into a pissing contest? The only point you are proving is that you love to split hairs for no reason, and you know how to spend thousands of dollars on a fucking Honda engine basing it on what you have read on the internet that works. So fucking what? Make sure you leave that oil feed line right there on your build. I hope it flails around next to the timing belt so it rubs against it and snaps it. Then you can have thousands of dollars spent for a paperweight.