622whp UBERDATA tuned LSVTEC *MSPi/Turbo Dave Top Mount Manifold*

[Vteckidd]

Here is the long awaited dyno of our top mount turbo manifold.
Motor specs:
84mm Golden Eagle Sleeves
JE 9.5:1 Pistons
Eagle Rods
JG Edelbrock manifold
1000cc injectors
Walbro 255
B16 CAMS
STOCK HEAD
Rocket Motorsports Gen1 Turbo Valvesprings and Retainers
MSPi/Turbo Dave Custom Top Mount Turbo Manifold
T3/T67 .83 A/R
Tial 38mm Wastegate
HKS SSQ BOV
Uberdata

Pics of the car:





Pics of the manifold:





PUMP GAS 93 OCTANE 20PSI:


RACE GAS 29PSI SAE:



STD numbers


Im thinking with ITR cams and a ported head he'll make 650-675whp. he also needs another Walbro pump, Fuel PSI was starting to not hold.

Thanks to ScttyDB411 for the Ubderdata Tuning :thumbup:

[EJ25RUN]

umm, damn

congrats.

[silviadriftr]

Hell yeah. Good numbers man. Can't wait to see what a built head and the same boost some of these other guys are running will do!!!!!

[EJ_Allmota]

Great numbers man..

[josh green]

more power could have been made but he also maxed out the map sensor. You guys have to remember though, this thing is not "trick" high-dollar bad ass everything. This is hard work and priority budgeting put into this car to have what it has. Cams, 5 bar, and an inline pump or another walbro it will make the power of the others.
Those that think the powerband isnt very linear, the same thing was said about the last build and if you ever rode in it you would say otherwise.

[1 SICK GT]

sweeeeeet

[Evil Goat]

nice....is that spoolins car?

[silviadriftr]

nice....is that spoolins car?

Yes it is.

[scttydb411]

how was the drive home? as soon as that thing hits vtec...whoa!!

i'm thinking when you get the pump, cams, headwork, clutch...get the 5 bar map and we'll REALLY tune it.

[SPOOLIN]

how was the drive home? as soon as that thing hits vtec...whoa!!

i'm thinking when you get the pump, cams, headwork, clutch...get the 5 bar map and we'll REALLY tune it.

The drive home was slow cause i was tired. the car drives wonderful though. like a whole other car. I'm going out in a little bit to beat on it when i go home. Gotta reset my fuckin boost controller because of the settings got flashed out of it.

I know ill definatly be getting type r cams. as far as headwork, the valve train is built so thats done. it has a VERY mild port job on it, mainly made it smooth haha. Ill go ahead and get the new pressure plate soon, thats all it should need for 6-700whp. after that ill have to look into a twin disk. Id liek to see what i can get out of it with the 3 bar still and type r cams and fuel pump. But you never know. I might get the 5 bar, or maybe like a 3.5 bar.

[Vteckidd]

i think the list should go like this:
Cams (itr or GSR, preferably ITR)
Fuel Pump
3.5bar

Ill talk to Don about getting you a head, might be able to work something out. Next stop 700whp

[IntegraXTR]

great numbers

[Seymour222]

Nice.

[EP3sAreFun]

wow.... holy crap

[93H22ACX]

you guys have a dyno with a dose of N20?

[Vteckidd]

1) It made the numbers i thought it was, this was the FIRST SESSION OF TUNING. it made 622, im happy with that. If anyone thought we were going to strap it down and make 700whp, i would say that is being a little optimistic.

2) With stock cams and a stock head, im very happy.

3) The timing is everyones OPINION, but the fact is it NEVER detonated, and it NEVER got hot. People are hating because its not the "NORM", well we dont do that. Scotty fought me on the timing and what rpm to rev it to. Scott was NOT in favor of it, but i like to push the envelope. When we started seeing that it had top end flow problems, we opted to bump timing to see if we could get the numbers. It worked, i wanted to make 600+whp, and we did.

4) Scotty has tuned more cars than any of us can count. countless positive remarks, i would put him side by side with ED any day, he may not be as well versed in multiple EMS systems, but his tuning skills are rock solid.

5) The motor needs Cams and headwork. after that make the assessment if his powerband is "too laggy", i dont see it . We are talking 300-500rpm differences between his and other 600+ whp setups. and usually the other setups have cams and headwork, he does not.

6) The "personal" issues that you two (Danny and Spoolin) have are evident, and personally i dont care either way aout the drama you guys have. So be civil to each other

7) Our manifold can support 600whp, we have a 600whp car now, Uberdata tuned, scottytuned, and there is more left in it.

8) i agree with one thing you said danny, Uberdata is maxxed out, i also agree, we need to switch to a different EMS, this is where i wouls support Chrome or EMS or Hondata. Uberdata is DEFINETLY Maxxed out

[BTLFED]

Man im tired of hearing that shit JOSH just exept the facts it didnt hit the numbers you guys tought it would, we can make excuses all day but the fact is you are running as much boost as everyone else and your car still couldnt make the numbers, the whole timing issue might be due to the UBERDATA just be a big boy and fork the money out and get a right EMS system. Im not saying this to start shit just pissed over all the excuses!!!

YEa JOsh remember all are cars are budget builds also, every single one of us actually have familes and kids and high ass house pymts we dont live at home with mommy or daddy, and we still save to buy the best shit get over it



PS you might wanna get a better tuner becasue that timing is going to blo your shit up!!! NO OFFENSE TO SCOTTY!!

Is this all you do? Talk shit about other people's setups? If you just want to talk shit how about you do it somewhere else? Your bullshit has no business being in this thread.

Good job, Mike. Those numbers are impressive IMO.

[93H22ACX]

5) The motor needs Cams and headwork. after that make the assessment if his powerband is "too laggy", i dont see it . We are talking 300-500rpm differences between his and other 600+ whp setups. and usually the other setups have cams and headwork, he does not.

300-500 is a huge factor when it comes to drag racing mike... and if you look at peter's 82a/r vs spoolin's 82a/r, there is alot more power per RPM in the low to mid range power.

I mean both mine and peter's setup make 200-250whp at 5000rpm....then at 6000rpm its close to 450whp on mine and 350whp on peters while spoolin's is 250whp....

i guess it doest matter if you guys are going to squeeze some juice....

[B18c1Turboed]

Is this all you do? Talk shit about other people's setups? If you just want to talk shit how about you do it somewhere else? Your bullshit has no business being in this thread.

Good job, Mike. Those numbers are impressive IMO.

Yup sure is so get over it!!! IA is full of bullshit so u can take that somewhere else also!!

[Vteckidd]

Well i guess my point is everyone said Uberdata couldnt do 500whp, we did it.

everyone said 600whp couldnt be done, we did it.

everyone said our manifold wouldnt make the power, it did.

now its like "lets pick on the powerband cause it sucks"

you guys act like you never dynoed, realized somethign wasnt working, then came back and tried something new. Im happy with his FIRST DYNO. Im confident with ITR cams and a proper head it will spool faster and it will make much more power, if you dont think that, blame whatever you want.

Who would have thought that the day someone makes 600whp that would bring criticism. Constructive criticism is allowed, i have no problem with that, but outright shit talking just makes me laugh.

Bee your comparing apples to oranges. Peters head had Mickeys hand in it didnt it? what Cams was he running? if someone could do it, PLEASE overlay Spoolins graph with Peter, Bee, Alfonso, Danys, etc so we can all see it. i would love to for the sake of information exchange.

his setup is laggy, but we arent done with it yet. more numbers soon.

[BlackEj6]

Good Shit

[BTLFED]

Yup sure is so get over it!!! IA is full of bullshit so u can take that somewhere else also!!

Wow. You really are a hatin ass loser. I am really glad I am not you. I would probably kill myself.

[Vteckidd]

Also we are cmoparing 10.1:1 motors with a 9.5:1 motor at the same boost. Spoolins will take more boost to make "identical " numbers. just something else to think about

[BTEC]

Also we are cmoparing 10.1:1 motors with a 9.5:1 motor at the same boost. Spoolins will take more boost to make "identical " numbers. just something else to think about

also doesnt peter have a GSR head that is ported, a ported intake manifold and GSR cams? I think i saw those and some spec that was listed when they had the car posted for sale. Im impressed with spoolins car bc he kinda came out of the dark and made high ass numbers. Peter has the times and was the firdt one to do it but there is always somebody coming up after you to break records.

Im gonna kick both yawls asses with a unsleeved b16 so yawl can save the shit talking til after i hit the track. LOL!!1

Does nebody have a tubular manifold i borrow?

[josh green]

I think that it is funny that I got called out by danny. I dont even have a turbo car. What I have posted is the truth. WE have chosen parts that are cheaper and are trying to do our thing, if you are scared of being beaten its too late he has already beaten any time you have ever run or even peter driving your car just so that you can qualify. We do not going around claiming that we are going to beat peter this year or any of you guys. Danny I love how you are always starting shit with us and we dont say a thing about either of you. You should take some personality lessons from your partners peter and bee, they are very nice guys and havent ever talked shit to us, and they have been nothing but helpful.
Give the kid a hand for the 2nd motor he has EVER built for making the power it does, So it needs some parts to help out the power band, its an easy fix. Its also very mature of you to get personal with him. Wow he lives with his parents... your point? I do as well. I sure as hell dont want to move out on my own to have that extra money go to some apartment that could have gone to his car or girlfriend. Spoolin works 3 jobs to support his habit AND goes to school, that right there is an achievement in its self.
Your comment on IA, is very funny. It is very much like a lot of the close minded, ungrateful gods gift to the world people that are there. I like a good bit of them but a lot are just ass hats that "know" about cars from just hearsay. As much as I have heard on IL about this place having a lot of drama, I think it is them that come here and make it to proclaim IL as the superior, more technical forum.

thats all I have to say for now other than k>B...

[B18c1Turboed]

[QUOTE=josh green] if you are scared of being beaten its too late he has already beaten any time you have ever run or even peter driving your car just so that you can qualify. We do not going around claiming that we are going to beat peter this year or any of you guys. Danny I love how you are always starting shit with us and we dont say a thing about either of you. You should take some personality lessons from your partners peter and bee, they are very nice guys and havent ever talked shit to us, and they have been nothing but helpful. [QUOTE]

HAHA thats funny,Peter drove my car to drive it, I qualiffed myself so i dont know what u talking about. Yea i talk shit becasue you guys talk shit also what u dont think i have sources at mainstream that tell me the shit that is said, so yea i think its funny when you cliam you are going to beat me and make more HP then me then FAIL GREATLY. SO yea when you talk shit so do i. ALso me not helpful FUCKYOU who helped you guys when u needed tools becasue you guys didnt have any to fix Mats car, so who is not helpful?
Personality my ass, i got a great one toot he people i like and can stand!!!,

What you want great praises for something we have done already, you want peaises for being the first to run Uberdata and make high numbers? YOu want praises for have a top mount manifold? Well to bad!!

What matt has ran low 11s wow!! i Ran 11s last year so how is he beating me too it? SO fuck it im done with this topic we will see who runs better this year and faster!!! Oh and be able to pass inspection!!!



BTLFED yea i would kill yourself for driving that beat up crx that you tought was fast when it was turboed, oh yes i have meet you and know who you are,you personally have nothing to live for but IA so shoot yourself too!!!

[anothaRRR]

everyone said our manifold wouldnt make the power, it did.

now its like "lets pick on the powerband cause it sucks"

if someone could do it, PLEASE overlay Spoolins graph with Peter, Bee, Alfonso, Danys, etc so we can all see it. i would love to for the sake of information exchange.

his setup is laggy, but we arent done with it yet. more numbers soon.

Who question the manifold, I actually thought it was pretty badass of you guys making one and it came out lookin good...Props to Turbodave for that.
The reason I said that about the powerband is because I would expect a little better from a t3 housing...Like silviadrifter said about mine, yeah mine was laggy but I was on a bigger t4 housing and with 9:1 compression and stock GSR stroke....I have my dyno with 26psi on a t4/60-1 here....Never did I sound negative, I just tried to help cause I learned it the hard way from trying to get better numbers from a turbo housing too big...But if you guys wanna take it as an insult more than some helpful hints then too bad, cause I never meant for it to be like that...
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...MXk1NDE%3D.jpg

[threehundred]

maybe I can take it for a spin??

[silviadriftr]

[QUOTE=B18c1Turboed][QUOTE=josh green] if you are scared of being beaten its too late he has already beaten any time you have ever run or even peter driving your car just so that you can qualify. We do not going around claiming that we are going to beat peter this year or any of you guys. Danny I love how you are always starting shit with us and we dont say a thing about either of you. You should take some personality lessons from your partners peter and bee, they are very nice guys and havent ever talked shit to us, and they have been nothing but helpful. [QUOTE]


[QUOTE=B18c1Turboed]What you want great praises for something we have done already, you want peaises for being the first to run Uberdata and make high numbers? YOu want praises for have a top mount manifold? Well to bad!![QUOTE]

Just had a quick question, and don't take it the wrong way because I am not familiar with all these other setups that everyone has already done these numbers on. Has everyone been doing these numbers with the same setup Spoolin did? Were they running stock b16 cams and head? Who else has done these numbers with this setup?

[§treet_§peed]

even still though, that is some bad ass shit for what they were working with. to get those numbers and still have a pretty good amount of stock shit on there. damn......

[SPOOLIN]

All I can say is that reading all this bullcrap, is

A: My goal is not to have faster times than anybody because i could care less about who is faster than me lol. Ill go as fast as I can go with it which will be much faster anyways.

B: I CAN pass inspection. lol wherever that came from? I'm not racing NDRA anyways this year and will love watching the Supras AND veterans EAT UP that class.

C: This is the first tuning session. I will make more.

D: I dont expect praises or glory or claps from anyone about anything I do because I don't do what i do for recognition or fame or some bullshit temporary pride in winning some race. I do it to push what i can do for myself on my own without the help of anyone else as far as producing results goes.

E: I will switch to a different EMS, I will not take the numbers any higher on uberdata because of map sensor support.

F: I don't care what anyone else is building cause i know that people with even less power than i have are running high to mid 9's. It's called driver skill, get some seat time and achieve it. (not aimed at any person in particular before you start blowing you cock suckers) Trust me I won't be running 11's this year, I'm not even wasting my setup on the track until im satisfied that the bugs are worked out.

G: 30 degrees of timing will not blow up a motor running on race gas. And that isnt 30 degrees from TDC either, thats 30 degrees TOTAL TIMING from BASE.

H: I'm not making excuses about my power not meeting my previous goals thay may have been stated because i had to cut short on some stuff to get it rolling. I knew when i went for this tune that i wouldnt make 700hp. I have the stuff needed to meet that goal, just need a few more things to support it.

[jackdaripper]

Great numbers... Now strap some nitrous on that bad boy and make 400 hp at 4k rpms. That should be quite a ride.

[jackdaripper]

Plus at least your block isnt painted.

[B18c1Turboed]

QUOTE]

Just had a quick question, and don't take it the wrong way because I am not familiar with all these other setups that everyone has already done these numbers on. Has everyone been doing these numbers with the same setup Spoolin did? Were they running stock b16 cams and head? Who else has done these numbers with this setup?[/QUOTE]


Well all of us run a stock head just as SPoolin,we have valve and retainers thats about it also, we usally run GSr or type r cams, i belive there was a right up on H-t a guys actually swapped gsr, b16 and type r cams even tought the type r cams helped alot, it only did like 20hp over the B16.

DISCLAIMER!! IM ONLY ANSERING HIS QUESTION,NOT STARTING SHIT!!!

[BABY J]

You know... I do not know NE1 on the forums (this forum)... in fact I have only met 2 guys face to face from IA, Mike being 1 of 'em. I'd like to think that I was "ahead of my time" in the import scene dreaming about custom mounts before there was a Place-Racing or a Hasport, boosting imports when there were no "kits" and no "b16 12 second recipes" like there are now. We did not have a lot of support then like we do now, but one thing that was better was the attitudes. Is this what the scene has come to? I mean for real... b/c if this internet gayness of bickering back and forth is the pinnacle of our scene then I'm fuckin' done. Seriously... there is ALWAYS somebody faster... ALWAYS. There is always somebody who can outdrive your ass no matter who you are, there is ALWAYS some1 who has more WHP, better ETs, a bigger cock.... Constructive criticism is always welcome, and I can tell that b18c1turboed is confident... no not knock on that, in fact, confidence is sexxi. But being cocky is another story, and we have enough "heat" from cops, the domestic community, and everyday life that would make me think I could come to this community and get nothing but decent tech advice, and a kool atmosphere to swap stories and share. There is no "destination" in this shit, it's all a journey. You can't spit at 622WHP like it's an underachiever. When you got companies like Full-Race losing a hatch on PINKS to a fuckin' NOBODY that tells you that there are many trials in this scene. There is enough room for us ALL to grow in this shit TOGETHER!! At the track, hell yeah it's for fuckin BLOOD... but on the FORUMS!!!??? I'm old school I guess... after I tap that ass at the track I'ma help you wrench on YOUR shit and tell you why you just got ya ass handed to ya. That's the way we did it back in the day. What the fuck happened?? The 1 mutha fucker on this forum that's unbeatable PM me and I'ma show you that you are. My point is there is no point in calling people out, or taking this shit personal. I am all about the competition, do not get me wrong. But no need in calling people out unless you wanna offer some help. Pouring water on a drowing man is just not kool IMO. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LET YOUR RIDE DO THE TALKING! If you're fast there is no need to have an ego, b/c the word will get out once you run. Let your ride do the talking. There are 347WHP single cams running 11s so what YOU know and what YOUR setup may be doesn't even matter. There are many diff recipes to success... and there has not been a project in my stable that was perfect on its maiden "flight". And as decent as my rides are, there is always room for improvement. If you're not telling me how to go faster, or get there quicker, then STFU. Anybody can complain about how fucked up something is, but at least in the same breath offer some solutions. And in b18citurboed's defense he did offer those solutions, it wasn't in the most userfriendly way, but he did. LOL. And yall can call me "soft" and flame or whatever, but it's shit like this that sets us all back as a community. It seems that the bigger we get, the more we forget about the cats we USED to roll with... we forget how happy we were when we got that CAI on a bone-stock motor. ALWAYS remeber your humble beginnings... if you always remember your humble beginnings, you will never downtalk some1 else's success, even if it's a whole lot less than where you are now. My .02

Baby J

[93H22ACX]

also doesnt peter have a GSR head that is ported, a ported intake manifold and GSR cams? I think i saw those and some spec that was listed when they had the car posted for sale. Im impressed with spoolins car bc he kinda came out of the dark and made high ass numbers. Peter has the times and was the firdt one to do it but there is always somebody coming up after you to break records.

Im gonna kick both yawls asses with a unsleeved b16 so yawl can save the shit talking til after i hit the track. LOL!!1

Does nebody have a tubular manifold i borrow?

yes he does...but, his setup now and before had stock heads... regardless, ported and unported it made 630whp with both 1.8L to a 2.0L at 28-29psi.


mike... i know what you're saying about the compression ratio.... but some guys with lower compression than 10:1 are actually making more power in their setup.....

....we're just wondering why it spools so much later.... thats all

[silviadriftr]

QUOTE]

Just had a quick question, and don't take it the wrong way because I am not familiar with all these other setups that everyone has already done these numbers on. Has everyone been doing these numbers with the same setup Spoolin did? Were they running stock b16 cams and head? Who else has done these numbers with this setup?

Well all of us run a stock head just as SPoolin,we have valve and retainers thats about it also, we usally run GSr or type r cams, i belive there was a right up on H-t a guys actually swapped gsr, b16 and type r cams even tought the type r cams helped alot, it only did like 20hp over the B16.

DISCLAIMER!! IM ONLY ANSERING HIS QUESTION,NOT STARTING SHIT!!![/QUOTE]

So are most of the guys running b16 heads or something different? The reason I ask is it seems I've seen somewhere that the b18 head flows better in stock form. Also, you said valves and springs. Did you mean retainers or are people running aftermarket valves with 5 angle valve jobs( just an example)? Just trying to make a detailed comparison. Thanks

[B18c1Turboed]

Well all of us run a stock head just as SPoolin,we have valve and retainers thats about it also, we usally run GSr or type r cams, i belive there was a right up on H-t a guys actually swapped gsr, b16 and type r cams even tought the type r cams helped alot, it only did like 20hp over the B16.

DISCLAIMER!! IM ONLY ANSERING HIS QUESTION,NOT STARTING SHIT!!!

So are most of the guys running b16 heads or something different? The reason I ask is it seems I've seen somewhere that the b18 head flows better in stock form. Also, you said valves and springs. Did you mean retainers or are people running aftermarket valves with 5 angle valve jobs( just an example)? Just trying to make a detailed comparison. Thanks[/QUOTE]


Yea most of us have Gsr heads,i meant springs and retainers,last year i ran a completley stock head, i had no springs or retainers added,it was completley stock! I will find you the link where they compare them so you can read up on the diffrent heads and how they flow,but a b16 flows almost the same!

[BTEC]

yes he does...but, his setup now and before had stock heads... regardless, ported and unported it made 630whp with both 1.8L to a 2.0L at 28-29psi.


mike... i know what you're saying about the compression ratio.... but some guys with lower compression than 10:1 are actually making more power in their setup.....

....we're just wondering why it spools so much later.... thats all

I think that would be a timing issue but im not a master tuner yet so i cant say for sure. Ive been messing around with CROME doing some ghetto street tuning on my ride and my turbo wouldnt come in til late and just changing timing im getting to my full 5lbs (hold on shawty!!) at like 4K instead of 6K like b4. I can prolly make it come in earlier but im taking it slow so i dnt blow my shit up, NAH MEAN!!

[99SI]

This can be a very good thread as long as it is kept civil and about cars/setups. Personal attacks need to be left in the whorselounge. I have no horse in this race, I'm a wee little NA b16. I do, however, enjoy learning about all aspects of cars (H in particular) so it is always fun to see big horsepower. I would think that Spoolins car would make more power earlier as well. He has the equipment and there is obviously room for improvement. I think that with a few more parts and some additional tuning the numbers will only go up from here. Congratulations to Spoolin, Turbo Dave, Mainstream Performance, and Scotty for some awesome work and going against the odds to make a great setup in a fairly short amount of time. A+ all the way around. The real test will be on the track not the dyno so any criticism at this point is premature. Good luck to all involved. As Mainstream's mantra says, "Make Power Not Excuses."