fixed for ya....Originally Posted by speedminded
hahahhahaa
fixed for ya....
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response from 03RCode: Hell, it turns me on. I have a steel hard erection as speak
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i am open-minded about hearing others beliefs and will discuss them and my own. how has it made me a better person? its given me a purpose to my life. to be a good example, to be kind, to try and help others (financially, spiritually,ect) as much as i can. and im not advertising or trying to sell christianity to anyone. i am simply giving an alternative to all the "theories" out there to what i found to be TRUTH. and how is religion plausible or rational...i meant to say that God is rational and plausible. whats not plausible about christianity? tell me how atheism or agnostic belief is plausible?Oh wow. Someone should enter the definition of close-minded into wiki and urbandictionary all summed up into one word, "Geoff". Christianity and Jesus Christ is right for YOU. Good for you. Now how has it made you a better person in helping the world. Something that is GOOD doesn't need advertising. 2,000 years later if you have the best product available from everyones experiences and use of it then it will be a monopoly. Every house hold on earth will be using it, or living by it. Not even Billy Mays could sell Christianity on everyone. "Right religion"? How on earth do you know what is right? Because you read it? Because you "feel" it? If that what it takes to make YOU the person you should be then so be it. What is scientifically plausible or even rational about religion? __________________
But this concept of your God comes from Christianity....
If I believed in God and had a relationship with him, that would make me believe in Christianity.
How do you know this? Because the bible says so? If I wrote a book on my beliefs and had a few million follow, would that make me right? No.last...there will be someone right in the end...God.
i don't know if there is a superior being... It may or may not be a god(s).you say your agnostic so by your own beliefs you admit that you dont know if there is or isnt a God because a lack of metaphysical evidence.
I do read up on stuff. When I open my eyes, I realized that Christianity wasn't for me.so with all those questions why not seek some answers?
How can I get answers from "God himself"? The fucking bible? People can't even correctly translate it to English, so how can I know it is the absolute truth? You should just stop. I will believe in what I want to, just like you can. There is no reason to be ignorant.and not answers from any man but from God Himself?
Definition of Ignorant... The lack of knowledge, before anyone says I'm personally attacking you.
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response from 03RCode: Hell, it turns me on. I have a steel hard erection as speak
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i respect your beliefs...im not trying to "convert" you. just pass on some knowledge. and i pray that God would show Himself to you and show you "truth". God bless you, whether you believe in Him or not.
Then why are you continuing like a broken record? I know everything that you have already said. God isn't what is needed for everyone. I'm glad he has made you a better person, but believing in God won't change the person I am. I know many people who are bad that are Christians. It doesn't change who YOU ARE. It just gives you something to believe in.
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a "true" christian is a changed person. the bible says they are a "new" man. and going to church and reading the bible doesnt make you a christian so there are no such things as "bad" christians or churches. you either live for God whole heartedly or you dont. there is no middle ground. and i wont discuss this anymore with you since your not up for it. my bad. God bless
it's just you aren't making much sense. besides telling me basically how right you are and you are telling the absolute truth.
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Who says the Bible is more right than any other article ever published? Because it's sold more? It's sold more because it's solely the basis of the largest controversy on earth. It's a collection of peoples experiences, most weren't even written for years after then they translated multiple times after that.
I want to know how Christianity and believing in God has made you a better person for other people, not as a determination for after-life.
Take TOMS Shoes for example, no where does it mention religion in their movement to help the world. The founder could be atheist for all you know, maybe he's a Christian or he may practice Buddhism. You don't know but it doesn't matter because his movement has helped prevent infections and serious illness of over 140,000 children in poverty stricken countries, just by providing them with shoes. I think religion was created to point people in a direction like they have done.
http://www.tomsshoes.com/content.asp?tid=227
Just like I've done countless mission trips, but do I need a church to drive down to Mexico and install a new roof on a house? No.
Do I need God to tell me I should help a women with a flat change on the side of the road? No. What if I were to get hit by a car while changing it for someone else? Would I blame God? No. I would be thankful it was me and not the other person.
Would I need religion to go to Central America and teach dozen of farmers how to use natural resources to irrigate their crops so an entire community can survive a drought? No.
Is religion needed to go to Asia and teach an entire civilization how to effectively filter water after 1,000's of died and contaminated the soil following a nature disater to prevent thousands of more deaths? No.
The only person you should believe in is yourself. If someone can't do that yet then yes they need "God" until they can.
When does the bible say that this will happen - LOL.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
KNOWLEDGE is not disputable. What you're passing on is information - which IS disputable. Kthnxbye.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
you dont need religion to be a good person. thats not the issue here. i honestly dont have an answer to answer you baby j or speedminded. you have your belief and i have mine and since when is knowledge not disputable? you never stop understanding or growing in knowledge. something we are sure of today in 50 years could be different. knowledge is limited by experience and ever changing hence it IS disputable. i will be prayin for you guys. god bless
Stop making sense - you're scaring me. You cut that out this instant!!
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
sorry, you have no evidence either
they didnt evolve, they adapted. learn the correct definitions
do you want to DEBATE or PERSUADE. Debating denotes you would discuss it and give your reasons and evidence. Persuading means that you would do so IF you felt people would listen and be changed. Thats more like what people would associate with an evangelical...like Geoff. The only difference is you two are on opposite sides of the discussion.
You cannot have a discussion about a persons beliefs or a debate on such without discussing the foundation of their beliefs. For instance, even as a person who does not believe, I am sure some of your reasons are based off of things you don't believe to be correct in scripture.We are supposed to be able to discuss this, not just push the bible on someone. Do you really think saying "God is right ... blah blah" is actually going to change someone's mind that has already made their decision? Just because you think your opinion is right, does not mean that everyone else thinks it is correct.
That is really bad logic and not even close to accurate based on history and biology. Even one of the foremost atheists (Richard Dawkins) says that he believes that all men are wired to be believers and somehow in our history we have always believed because without it we would not be forward thinking individuals. Also, if one "x" was better then there would be only one because everyone would be doing that specific "x"... I don't think so. Also, you guys are using religion to mean different things. I would not push "RELIGION" on anyone, yet I will sit down and give you evidence for why I believe the way I believe and I have plenty of reasons. From the standpoint of someone who is infuriated by people spreading their legalistic forms of religion/faith, I can understand your frustration, and I should let you know that is one of the things about the foundation of faith in Christ that is important to the Christian. Its NOT about your efforts. Its not about how good you are and the good deeds you do. Its about grace because we cannot live up to the standard set before us by God.If one religion was "better" or "more correct" than another, then that would be the only religion. Religion was made, because different groups of people separate and started a belief on their "takes on life". That's all it is. Just like how language was formed over the years. You don't speak primarily English in Latin America countries, you speak Spanish. Just like prodominantly there is English in the USA and not Spanish.
But as Chris Hedges (an atheist) says: "atheists and agnostics need to stop blaming the religions and the systems that people of faith subscribe to and start realizing that the actual problem is one that is existent in the hearts of ALL MEN. We are all broken. The world without religion is one that too many atheists ask for, yet it truly could be the end of society, because if you believe the religious zealot bad now, just imagine the world when they have given up on their unfaltering desire to please their God through restraint and humility." I paraphrase this to say that we are all messed up in some way. That is why the christian believes in the need for an outside assistance if we are to be reconsiled.
Believe in yourself for what? What does that mean? Believe in yourself to go out and serve the needs of others. Believe in yourself to do the right thing. Sure people can do that. No problem and you don't need to be religious to do it, but I am not sure where this entire statement fits in the flow of this thread.
How does that make you any different than people who believe that a car bomb is the will of God or people who believe in themselves who think that religious people should be purified (erradicated). What tells me that your beliefs matter when our two beliefs in self conflict? What tells an army in africa that their belief in self does not give them the right to torture rape and steal from the communities. What tells the people in asia that it is not right to prostitute young girls, or people in europe that sex trafficing is wrong.
so when your worldview says, believe in yourself what do you mean because not all help is help, not all change is good, not all quests for peace are bloodless. What is the belief in self fix for these things?
My point is that if life is about self and interpreting good for others then that can easily be oil and water and if we are waiting for people to believe in self what happens when their "self belief" violates yours?
I mean understand the good side of what you are trying to focus on but this does not change the human condition. We are a really bad society overall and there is no shortage of scholars today or through history that believe we are very capable of pushing ourselves towards extinction because of a promoted world view of self interests. So how is this a good world view?
dont get me wrong, I am not saying that a religious world view is better. I am saying that you are completely ignoring the human element of all world views. This is why I believe people need a common standard to uphold. Without one, we have seen that we cannot function and to ask for a world without one is to ask for more genocide and more persecution because our history tells us that most of the people in this world are NOT humanitarians, and the ones who are not have the biggest guns pointed at the ones who are.
amen sport 122. reps for you man. and thanks for the evangelical compliment. just trying to do what Gods word asks me to. the bible can be a double edged sword at times. it can protect you and lift you up or cut you down.
No sir, thats "gods" promise for you. I am not trying to be an asshole but you cant force or guilt other people to believing in what you believe. Thats the problem with religion, its like building an army to take over other peoples beliefs, who ever has the most people wins the war. I dont want to be apart of that.
that is an unfair statement. i am a christian. my basic beliefs are prob close to geoff's. have a i tried to convert you? have I tried to make you feel guilty about not believing what i believe? i would love it if you were a christian and believed in salvation, but you dont. I am not here to preach it to you, i am here to follow my path God has chosen for me. if you want to follow as i do then that is great. if you dont, i could honeslty give less than a shit!
thanks
just because they say they are christians doesnt mean a thing. if i told you i was a bird, would you believe it. follow people's actions, not the words they say. that will tell you where the heart really is
Wow. Just wow. This is the problem w/ "Christians" right here. LOL. Amazing.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
so the problem is that i said a "bad" word. oh no. dont go to mommy. i wasnt perfect. oh no. point made!
sorry zach didnt wanna make you feel like i was being pushy or trying to make you feel guilty. you said you were worried about life after death and it scared you. i simply tried to give you an option. and baby j...true christians dont act like the rest. you can tell them apart. God bless
some how i feel that was aimed at me..lol
no lol. none of us are perfect. all fall short, its only Gods grace that keeps us around.
LOL @ BSTONE --- as much as I hate him I love him - LOL.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
This is a perfect example of what i mean, other sides of the battle field. You feel as if i lashed out towards christians or your beliefs. The fact of the matter is that you feel better about yourself by "shutting me down" grow up dude seriously. As for your questions no, this is the first time i have ever even commented in this section or even quoted you so that is an unfair statement
I am sorry for my "snappy" take on your comment as well, and yes i did feel as if you where being pushy. The reason why is because i have been banned from a church for speaking my mind openly and honestly to several church members and in public, so if i seem like an asshole i truly apologize, thats not the way i mean it.
What was this about? I am surprised that even the most liberal churches would respond to free speech in such a way. I know some do, but mostly when you look at those ministries they are cults trying to please a specific person and not so keen on the teachings of the word.
zach im very sorry to hear that man. i have been to a few bad churches myself that when i was younger ran my mom out of there because she got divorced. they would talk bad about her and one of the ministers actually tried to seduce her when she went to him in confidence. please dont let that mess up your whole view on christianity. people will fail you everytime. God is the only one that wont. believe it or not there are actually decent churches out there that care for people and treat them like family. i found one of them and they took us in with open arms. every male is a member of the board and has a say so. i pray God would heal your heart. God bless
with the average life-span of a normal human-being, one cannot physically observe evolution,
but you keep saying that I am wrong when you have about the same proof that i do about evolution as you do about God and his existence.
we're both on the same river of knowledge... only difference is that my boat is a couple miles ahead of yours. if you're so curious as to how you came to exist just ask your parents what they were thinking before they had sex -- did your father nut inside your mother on purpose or was it an accident? a birth is usually a mistake or accident... according to recent studies. some deity did not tell your parents to have sexual intercourse and bare a child. never was there any other party involved...
... yet there is no reasoning with close-minded people. I came to realize that years ago.
im not close minded. you are more close minded than most ppl i have met. you just assume your boat is further up the river. it is not. you have no proof other than your theories. thhere are not enough or even close to enough fossil records to prove anything.
and yes, i was a planned birth. it took 4 months for my old man to shoot a good nut.
yojimbo. your birth did happen cuz of your parents but God gave us all the ability to procreate. we as humans can only create life its God that breaths your soul into you. without it you would be a mere animal...a monkey! darwin had something right
How the fuck do you know that God gave you the ability to procreate and it wasn't just evolution? Evolution can prove this. How do you know God breathed your soul into you? And it wasn't just the fact you grew lungs (aka evolution, by evolving in your mom's tummy)? Monkey and People evolved differently. There is proof we came from primates. What proof do you have that God did all this?
I'm just asking since you keep basing your argument on this. No reason to down your religion, because that's your choice.
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response from 03RCode: Hell, it turns me on. I have a steel hard erection as speak
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show the proof. dont give me theory, just FACTUAL evidence. i dont wanna see a study to that doesnt prove anything, FACTUAL evidence.
i am not saying i have factual evidence of God, but that is sorta the point. how can a Supreme being be proven.,....you guys are claiming evolution is fact. Prove it
the bible tells us he gave us the power to procreate. and how does evolution give us the ability to have children? and a soul and lungs are different. we didnt evolve lungs. humans need oxygen to breath and live. we were created with the ability to breath, so were animals, and plants. we didnt start out with nothing and all of a sudden a bacteria decided hey i might just need a way to breath air if i want to evolve. and there is no "proof" we came from monkeys. i would love to see it if you have it. and if we did then why is there no missing link between apes and humans and why are apes not evolving into humans anymore. did natural selection just decide to stop for some unknown reason? why is it that among the hundreds of millions of species on earth we as humans have the most sifisticated brain, skeletal system, organ system, nervous system, ect...plus a conscience, morals, rational thinking, logic, ect...why is it that no other species has any of these. are you seriously telling me that 1/100000000000000000 chance of this happening makes more sense to you than an omnipotent all powerful creator? i know God did all this because you cant have all this around us come from molecules that evolved into bacteria that evolved into grass, trees, water, people, animals, ect. because what did those molecules and elements evolve from? nothing? there is the problem...NOTHING CAN NOT MAKE EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT HAS NO POTENTIAL TO MAKE ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! so that means what? that a CONSCIENCE decision making capable all present timeless and never changing force had to make it...e.g. GOD! if i am wrong in any of my statements please prove me wrong. i am looking for your "scientific evidence" to back up my claims as i write this. God blessHow the fuck do you know that God gave you the ability to procreate and it wasn't just evolution? Evolution can prove this. How do you know God breathed your soul into you? And it wasn't just the fact you grew lungs (aka evolution, by evolving in your mom's tummy)? Monkey and People evolved differently. There is proof we came from primates. What proof do you have that God did all this? I'm just asking since you keep basing your argument on this. No reason to down your religion, because that's your choice.
What's the point? I could have 99.9% of the doctors in the world with 5000+ page papers on how what i am saying is correct and you people will still tell me i'm wrong and that it is not proof.
How about you give me REAL proof instead of "the bible this" and "i believe"... let's see y'all's case about this shit.
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response from 03RCode: Hell, it turns me on. I have a steel hard erection as speak
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so you are admitting there is no proof?
there is proof, but i don't feel like searching google for many different sites just for the people to say that their belief is right and i'm wrong.
i'm just saying why don't y'all give me proof that y'all are right? i've yet to see CREDIBLE proof.
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response from 03RCode: Hell, it turns me on. I have a steel hard erection as speak
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evolution is base all on assumption, hypothesis, and theory, all of which are NOT facts. in order for the THEORY of evolution to work the universe started out with hydrogen molecules and perhaps a few helium atoms(how did these get here?
sorry, the broken fossil record does not provide proof of evolution. It ads validity to the theory, but it is not proof. The fossil record is severely fractured.
Also, why would anyone ask for proof anyway. You already presuppose that there is not God. Any evidence or proof or reasoning that you are given is going to be twisted to support your presupposition. Even if angels came to you and confirmed it, you would still assume a hoax, or some sort of delusion. Evidence is only worth giving to people who are open to adaptive interpretation. It doesn't mean they will believe anything, but they should be able to say "okay, that is a reasonable conclusion" you don't seem to have that in mind.
Also, you are asking for something that is scientifically impossible to do without pointing out things that you would dismiss as evolutionary. for instance, human logic and universal law. As many evolutionists would argue, it is a part of the evolutionary chain of development. This is foolish for two reasons (there are more, but i don't want to type too much).
1. We see a universal logic demonstrated in ALL processes of our universe. Some people call these laws also. But I am talking about Your ability to predict something that will happen based off of observation (this comes from the understanding that our very universe functions with rules). When you look into space you can assume that the principles of gravity are active. This is using our understanding that our universe functions under some sort of greater guideline which keeps it acting in a manner of which we can interpret and understand. We can apply these principles to physics as well and thus we can apply them to the Big Bang Theory. If there is NO universal law governing our universe, we can put no faith or logical belief into our sciences because those things of which we are observing would be products of chaos. And our LOGIC would have nothing to be based on which means scientific observations would rarely be repeated.
2. The very existence of the human logic is only validated in a transcendent being world view. That being cannot be subject to time and cannot have been created. IF so then the logic came from its creator. But my point is just like the moral law, you cannot pinpoint the origin of the human logic. Has our understanding developed...yes, but the existence of our ability to use logic and reason is the same as always. We have only been afforded a greater revelation of our existence which gives us more tools to use when deciphering things with our logic. Logically, we had to have logic before we could begin to develop understanding of anything. So without logical processes we would not have been functioning in the evolutionary spectrum.
I say this to say that when you ask for proof of God, you don't realize how erratic of a question that is. Its like asking your parents to prove that they are your parents. and going "well mom, you could have faked these pictures, you could have faked that birth certificate, you could have a twin that I don't know about which determines the DNA similarities." The reason you are going to accept any of these reasons as valid is your appeal to use that tool which is afforded all men of all times, logic. As people function in our universe, somehow every single one of us has within us a form of logical reasoning, and an understanding of universal moral laws. Most of these things cannot be taught and are not taught. I could not teach you that you have logic, unless you already believe that you do. You would be unable to learn and understand the very process of teaching you of your logic if you had none. Early nomadic men, did not have to be taught that murdering, and stealing were wrong. They knew it instinctively because that knowledge is embedded in who we are. Evolution does not account for its origins. They can only be found in the world view of a transcendent author to our life. If they are determined to come from anywhere else then there is NO validity to them as then logic and moral understanding would only be a product of human chemical interaction, (emotion) and we all know that we are most illogical when we are most emotional.
These are two places where many scientists do not go, and rightly so. The point in scientific observation is to gain an understanding of our universe. anything beyond that theoretically is personal opinion and because the christian God would have to be transcendent then He already defaults to be beyond our meek interpretation and understanding of this world. Therefore you could only use those things which are beyond our understanding to understand things about him.
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