Quote Originally Posted by Buttons
How the fuck do you know that God gave you the ability to procreate and it wasn't just evolution? Evolution can prove this. How do you know God breathed your soul into you? And it wasn't just the fact you grew lungs (aka evolution, by evolving in your mom's tummy)? Monkey and People evolved differently. There is proof we came from primates. What proof do you have that God did all this?

I'm just asking since you keep basing your argument on this. No reason to down your religion, because that's your choice.

sorry, the broken fossil record does not provide proof of evolution. It ads validity to the theory, but it is not proof. The fossil record is severely fractured.
Also, why would anyone ask for proof anyway. You already presuppose that there is not God. Any evidence or proof or reasoning that you are given is going to be twisted to support your presupposition. Even if angels came to you and confirmed it, you would still assume a hoax, or some sort of delusion. Evidence is only worth giving to people who are open to adaptive interpretation. It doesn't mean they will believe anything, but they should be able to say "okay, that is a reasonable conclusion" you don't seem to have that in mind.

Also, you are asking for something that is scientifically impossible to do without pointing out things that you would dismiss as evolutionary. for instance, human logic and universal law. As many evolutionists would argue, it is a part of the evolutionary chain of development. This is foolish for two reasons (there are more, but i don't want to type too much).
1. We see a universal logic demonstrated in ALL processes of our universe. Some people call these laws also. But I am talking about Your ability to predict something that will happen based off of observation (this comes from the understanding that our very universe functions with rules). When you look into space you can assume that the principles of gravity are active. This is using our understanding that our universe functions under some sort of greater guideline which keeps it acting in a manner of which we can interpret and understand. We can apply these principles to physics as well and thus we can apply them to the Big Bang Theory. If there is NO universal law governing our universe, we can put no faith or logical belief into our sciences because those things of which we are observing would be products of chaos. And our LOGIC would have nothing to be based on which means scientific observations would rarely be repeated.

2. The very existence of the human logic is only validated in a transcendent being world view. That being cannot be subject to time and cannot have been created. IF so then the logic came from its creator. But my point is just like the moral law, you cannot pinpoint the origin of the human logic. Has our understanding developed...yes, but the existence of our ability to use logic and reason is the same as always. We have only been afforded a greater revelation of our existence which gives us more tools to use when deciphering things with our logic. Logically, we had to have logic before we could begin to develop understanding of anything. So without logical processes we would not have been functioning in the evolutionary spectrum.

I say this to say that when you ask for proof of God, you don't realize how erratic of a question that is. Its like asking your parents to prove that they are your parents. and going "well mom, you could have faked these pictures, you could have faked that birth certificate, you could have a twin that I don't know about which determines the DNA similarities." The reason you are going to accept any of these reasons as valid is your appeal to use that tool which is afforded all men of all times, logic. As people function in our universe, somehow every single one of us has within us a form of logical reasoning, and an understanding of universal moral laws. Most of these things cannot be taught and are not taught. I could not teach you that you have logic, unless you already believe that you do. You would be unable to learn and understand the very process of teaching you of your logic if you had none. Early nomadic men, did not have to be taught that murdering, and stealing were wrong. They knew it instinctively because that knowledge is embedded in who we are. Evolution does not account for its origins. They can only be found in the world view of a transcendent author to our life. If they are determined to come from anywhere else then there is NO validity to them as then logic and moral understanding would only be a product of human chemical interaction, (emotion) and we all know that we are most illogical when we are most emotional.

These are two places where many scientists do not go, and rightly so. The point in scientific observation is to gain an understanding of our universe. anything beyond that theoretically is personal opinion and because the christian God would have to be transcendent then He already defaults to be beyond our meek interpretation and understanding of this world. Therefore you could only use those things which are beyond our understanding to understand things about him.