amen sport 122. reps for you man. and thanks for the evangelical compliment. just trying to do what Gods word asks me to. the bible can be a double edged sword at times. it can protect you and lift you up or cut you down.
amen sport 122. reps for you man. and thanks for the evangelical compliment. just trying to do what Gods word asks me to. the bible can be a double edged sword at times. it can protect you and lift you up or cut you down.
sorry zach didnt wanna make you feel like i was being pushy or trying to make you feel guilty. you said you were worried about life after death and it scared you. i simply tried to give you an option. and baby j...true christians dont act like the rest. you can tell them apart. God bless
some how i feel that was aimed at me..lolOriginally Posted by geoff
I am sorry for my "snappy" take on your comment as well, and yes i did feel as if you where being pushy. The reason why is because i have been banned from a church for speaking my mind openly and honestly to several church members and in public, so if i seem like an asshole i truly apologize, thats not the way i mean it.
What was this about? I am surprised that even the most liberal churches would respond to free speech in such a way. I know some do, but mostly when you look at those ministries they are cults trying to please a specific person and not so keen on the teachings of the word.
no lol. none of us are perfect. all fall short, its only Gods grace that keeps us around.
LOL @ BSTONE --- as much as I hate him I love him - LOL.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
zach im very sorry to hear that man. i have been to a few bad churches myself that when i was younger ran my mom out of there because she got divorced. they would talk bad about her and one of the ministers actually tried to seduce her when she went to him in confidence. please dont let that mess up your whole view on christianity. people will fail you everytime. God is the only one that wont. believe it or not there are actually decent churches out there that care for people and treat them like family. i found one of them and they took us in with open arms. every male is a member of the board and has a say so. i pray God would heal your heart. God bless
yojimbo. your birth did happen cuz of your parents but God gave us all the ability to procreate. we as humans can only create life its God that breaths your soul into you. without it you would be a mere animal...a monkey! darwin had something right
How the fuck do you know that God gave you the ability to procreate and it wasn't just evolution? Evolution can prove this. How do you know God breathed your soul into you? And it wasn't just the fact you grew lungs (aka evolution, by evolving in your mom's tummy)? Monkey and People evolved differently. There is proof we came from primates. What proof do you have that God did all this?
I'm just asking since you keep basing your argument on this. No reason to down your religion, because that's your choice.
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sorry, the broken fossil record does not provide proof of evolution. It ads validity to the theory, but it is not proof. The fossil record is severely fractured.
Also, why would anyone ask for proof anyway. You already presuppose that there is not God. Any evidence or proof or reasoning that you are given is going to be twisted to support your presupposition. Even if angels came to you and confirmed it, you would still assume a hoax, or some sort of delusion. Evidence is only worth giving to people who are open to adaptive interpretation. It doesn't mean they will believe anything, but they should be able to say "okay, that is a reasonable conclusion" you don't seem to have that in mind.
Also, you are asking for something that is scientifically impossible to do without pointing out things that you would dismiss as evolutionary. for instance, human logic and universal law. As many evolutionists would argue, it is a part of the evolutionary chain of development. This is foolish for two reasons (there are more, but i don't want to type too much).
1. We see a universal logic demonstrated in ALL processes of our universe. Some people call these laws also. But I am talking about Your ability to predict something that will happen based off of observation (this comes from the understanding that our very universe functions with rules). When you look into space you can assume that the principles of gravity are active. This is using our understanding that our universe functions under some sort of greater guideline which keeps it acting in a manner of which we can interpret and understand. We can apply these principles to physics as well and thus we can apply them to the Big Bang Theory. If there is NO universal law governing our universe, we can put no faith or logical belief into our sciences because those things of which we are observing would be products of chaos. And our LOGIC would have nothing to be based on which means scientific observations would rarely be repeated.
2. The very existence of the human logic is only validated in a transcendent being world view. That being cannot be subject to time and cannot have been created. IF so then the logic came from its creator. But my point is just like the moral law, you cannot pinpoint the origin of the human logic. Has our understanding developed...yes, but the existence of our ability to use logic and reason is the same as always. We have only been afforded a greater revelation of our existence which gives us more tools to use when deciphering things with our logic. Logically, we had to have logic before we could begin to develop understanding of anything. So without logical processes we would not have been functioning in the evolutionary spectrum.
I say this to say that when you ask for proof of God, you don't realize how erratic of a question that is. Its like asking your parents to prove that they are your parents. and going "well mom, you could have faked these pictures, you could have faked that birth certificate, you could have a twin that I don't know about which determines the DNA similarities." The reason you are going to accept any of these reasons as valid is your appeal to use that tool which is afforded all men of all times, logic. As people function in our universe, somehow every single one of us has within us a form of logical reasoning, and an understanding of universal moral laws. Most of these things cannot be taught and are not taught. I could not teach you that you have logic, unless you already believe that you do. You would be unable to learn and understand the very process of teaching you of your logic if you had none. Early nomadic men, did not have to be taught that murdering, and stealing were wrong. They knew it instinctively because that knowledge is embedded in who we are. Evolution does not account for its origins. They can only be found in the world view of a transcendent author to our life. If they are determined to come from anywhere else then there is NO validity to them as then logic and moral understanding would only be a product of human chemical interaction, (emotion) and we all know that we are most illogical when we are most emotional.
These are two places where many scientists do not go, and rightly so. The point in scientific observation is to gain an understanding of our universe. anything beyond that theoretically is personal opinion and because the christian God would have to be transcendent then He already defaults to be beyond our meek interpretation and understanding of this world. Therefore you could only use those things which are beyond our understanding to understand things about him.
show the proof. dont give me theory, just FACTUAL evidence. i dont wanna see a study to that doesnt prove anything, FACTUAL evidence.
i am not saying i have factual evidence of God, but that is sorta the point. how can a Supreme being be proven.,....you guys are claiming evolution is fact. Prove it
the bible tells us he gave us the power to procreate. and how does evolution give us the ability to have children? and a soul and lungs are different. we didnt evolve lungs. humans need oxygen to breath and live. we were created with the ability to breath, so were animals, and plants. we didnt start out with nothing and all of a sudden a bacteria decided hey i might just need a way to breath air if i want to evolve. and there is no "proof" we came from monkeys. i would love to see it if you have it. and if we did then why is there no missing link between apes and humans and why are apes not evolving into humans anymore. did natural selection just decide to stop for some unknown reason? why is it that among the hundreds of millions of species on earth we as humans have the most sifisticated brain, skeletal system, organ system, nervous system, ect...plus a conscience, morals, rational thinking, logic, ect...why is it that no other species has any of these. are you seriously telling me that 1/100000000000000000 chance of this happening makes more sense to you than an omnipotent all powerful creator? i know God did all this because you cant have all this around us come from molecules that evolved into bacteria that evolved into grass, trees, water, people, animals, ect. because what did those molecules and elements evolve from? nothing? there is the problem...NOTHING CAN NOT MAKE EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT HAS NO POTENTIAL TO MAKE ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! so that means what? that a CONSCIENCE decision making capable all present timeless and never changing force had to make it...e.g. GOD! if i am wrong in any of my statements please prove me wrong. i am looking for your "scientific evidence" to back up my claims as i write this. God blessHow the fuck do you know that God gave you the ability to procreate and it wasn't just evolution? Evolution can prove this. How do you know God breathed your soul into you? And it wasn't just the fact you grew lungs (aka evolution, by evolving in your mom's tummy)? Monkey and People evolved differently. There is proof we came from primates. What proof do you have that God did all this? I'm just asking since you keep basing your argument on this. No reason to down your religion, because that's your choice.
What's the point? I could have 99.9% of the doctors in the world with 5000+ page papers on how what i am saying is correct and you people will still tell me i'm wrong and that it is not proof.
How about you give me REAL proof instead of "the bible this" and "i believe"... let's see y'all's case about this shit.
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so you are admitting there is no proof?
there is proof, but i don't feel like searching google for many different sites just for the people to say that their belief is right and i'm wrong.
i'm just saying why don't y'all give me proof that y'all are right? i've yet to see CREDIBLE proof.
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you getting frustrated in your post is proof enough you cant prove evolution. i just told you that i can not prove a Supreme being, he is everywhere you look. if your mind doesnt understand that then its cool. im not trying to say you are wrong, but i would like you to show yourself the holes in your "evolution". the more research you do on it, the more it becomes impossible to believe it
LOL, i can prove, but rather not waste my time. I'm still waiting for your proof for God. I believe there might be a superior being(s), but does that necessarily make him God? No.
The more I read the bible and the things you people say, makes Christianity more unbelievable to me. That's how I see it.
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evolution is base all on assumption, hypothesis, and theory, all of which are NOT facts. in order for the THEORY of evolution to work the universe started out with hydrogen molecules and perhaps a few helium atoms(how did these get here?) in 1960 George Kerkut did a study and wrote a book entitled "the implications of evolution". in it he said the first two assumptions of evolution were: 1-spontanius generation must have occured. 2-spontanius generation must have occured only once. (spontanius generation: the idea that something non-living can produce something living. the entire basis of evolution) not once in the history of evolution no matter how many experiments were conducted could this be done. all attempts failed misserably. therefore evolutionist "assume" that it happened. so there goes assumption 1. assumption 2...evolution cannot happen without spontaneous generation only happening once because all life is composed of a singular genetic code that has only minor variations between all life and because the code is so extremely complicated evolutionists are forced to concede that it could only happen once. so this is called a "one time event". which cannot be studied using the scientific method because science uses the 5 senses to study things that are universal, dependable, and reproductible. but one time events are neither dependable nor universal and by definition cant be reproduced. and so this once time event of spontaneous generation are not capable of expiramental verification.
Abiogenesis is the theory that life could come from non life. It has not been done. They got as far as amino acids. But in context this is one of the ONLY specifics that is given in the Bible about creation. Mankind originated from the dust of the earth. Proving Abiogenesis will not change the discussion, it would only give those who deny certain things something else to have to deny.evolution is base all on assumption, hypothesis, and theory, all of which are NOT facts. in order for the THEORY of evolution to work the universe started out with hydrogen molecules and perhaps a few helium atoms(how did these get here?
Its easy to argue evolution because the bible doesn't speak about this. It is easy to make claims and suggestions against something when that something has nothing to say about it. But if they prove abiogenesis, then science would have bridged a gap between the scientific processes of our world and one of the first direct claims about God in the Bible. While the fossil record still remains broken. I for one have no problem with that as it adds further demonstration for scriptural validity.
But it will be interesting because many people in the church have their view of how things happened and its just not written. So we have to be able to remove our media based mindset on these things and replace them with an open mind because our culture has started to determine Biblical fact off of fictional script.
The bible does not say the world is 6,000 years old. It does not say that there was no evolution. So believers should not be trying to argue these things as if they harm God. They don't. If God used that process to develop us then more power to him. If you made jello, you really only mixed water and the gelatin powder, it is not jello until you put it in the fridge and come back later. But when someone says, who made the Jello, you take the credit because you put the process into motion.
so you say i have no proof of evolution, then I say you have no proof to God. You must be wrong. Your point is invalid.
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what...I do say you have no proof of evolution, but you are too close minded to understand this statement in its entirety. I believe in some of the evolutionary process (there are numerous versions) but its not because its all proven. its because its logical even with its broken fossil record. Its when evolutionists try to turn their thoughts into fundamental religion that they have a problem. Much like you are doing.
If I said "do you have a red car", and you said "yes" that doesn't mean that every car on the planet was red at one time, and that you can never have a blue car or that all black cars are slow, and all white cars are bad for the environment. It simply means...You have a red car. Stop trying to read religious principles into evolution. If it is to remain a pure theory you should not do this.
You are like arguing with an infant. You assume that because I believe one way about God and you believe the other, that we could not agree on evolution. And like a kid you close your mind to the arguments presented to you (as I knew you would) not because they are bad arguments but because you think i have to be wrong in order for you to be right. Your world view is not about science, its about atheism or agnosticism. That is where your arguments flow from and you prove it with your general nonsensical statements.
I presented very valid reasons for you as to why it is very logical to say that one believes in God and I can almost imagine you reading them going "how can I prove this wrong?". Its like the UFO theorists and the scientists who say...oh its all explained. There are thousands upon thousands of people, and many with very good credentials saying there is an actual extra terrestrial UFO phenomenon going on. Former astronauts, pilots, military and government officials, other major world governments, but some scientists say...I don't believe it until we have testable solution to prove it. Its fine to be skeptical, but skepticism can make some people look outright ridiculous. I sure hope you don't continue down that path.
i'm not close minded. i'm just saying that just quoting things from the bibles is not proof. anybody can put a book together. He had a following so many people believed what he said. Same things happen in cults. I'm not saying Christianity is a cult, but it is easy to get people to believe what you say.
you can believe what you want, i honestly don't care. i'm glad you have something to believe in, but in my opinion, i just didn't like it. I tried to understand and like it, but it just wasn't for me. Not one religion is going to be right for everyone.
i'm sorry, but quoting from the bible is just not that credible of a source in my opinion. that's like saying anything I write in my journal is credible. no offense to anyone, but that's just how I see it.
I can come up with proof and show you links, but I don't want to waste my time.
this is just my honest opinion. take it how you want, but it's whatever. no need to bash at me for not believe what you believe in.
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I didn't quote the Bible.
and I would agree...the convenience for the skeptic is that in formation of logical discussion you are not supposed to use anything which is a part of that which is to be proved to prove the existence of it. Because anything that flows from a source is "not neutral" and will prove that source. Like the Bible as God's breathed word therefore it can not be used to prove him because it presupposes that he is real.
So for a person who is a skeptic NOTHING is suitable evidence, because (at least for the judao-christian) ALL things are created by God and speak to his existence. So why don't you give us all example of suitable evidence?
other people are.
i'm pretty skeptic, so that's why none of reading the bible makes any sense to me.
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a well known australian molecular biologist and evolutionist Dr. Michael Denton wrote a book in 1985 entitled "evolution: a theory in crisis" in the book he admits that no one has ever documented any evidence for the supposed evolutionary "chain of life" leading from one type of creature to another. He wrote, " the concept of the continuity of nature has existed in the mind of man, never in the facts of nature." (p.353) then 13 years later in 1998 he stated, " Whether one accepts or rejects the design hypothesis...there is no avoiding the conclusion that the world looks as if it had been tailored for life; it appears to have been designed. All reality appears to be a vast, coherent, teleological whole with life and mankind as its purpose and goal."
the new accepted theory now that evolution is fading out is " intelligent design". they say that everything was designed but they dont know by who. science is getting closer and closer every decade to proving God. as it sits now. there is no physical evidence of God because how do you prove a superior being that is timeless and infinite? its gonna come down to what the bible says:
"God has given him a name which is above every name – that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord…" Philippians 2:9-11
"I watched as He opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The sky receded like a scroll rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?" rev.6:12-17
God Bless
i am not argueing evolution. i believe natural selection and what not. i just believe the bible is true when it says that God(superior being) spoke everything into existence. the way things happend now are in our own hands and thats where evolution or some form of it and natural selection come in.
i've read the bible and understood it. not all of it, but i've been to church. i've been to sunday classes. i still read a lot. i just didn't like the religion. that's all. i'm still searching for what i want to believe in. it's just a personal choice.
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you didnt answer my question. im not hear to tell you about church. i havent been to church in a long time. a building (church) does not define a religion. The "church" is the people and views that make up the religion
i was just pointing out church, meaning i've read the bible (most of it) and understood it.
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reading the bible alone doesnt mean anything. its not a search for God. to search for God takes prayer aswell. and i didnt only quote the bible. i also used athiestic writings and research done by credible scientific evolutionists. everyone makes their own path buttons. some people take longer than others. you say you believe in a higher superior being? well why cant that being be God? im happy you have read the bible and understood most of it cuz i read and understand less than half. but its a constant thing...the more i read and pray the more i understand. you can believe we came from ants pissing on frogs...it doesnt matter. there are alot of theories and hypothesis out there in the world and there that constantly change. that doesnt mean they are all right. there is one absolute truth to everything what you believe that is, is up to you. i know that my God is the same past present and future and has shown me He is real. i hope one day with your reading and what not that you come to your own absolute truth. God bless
We are not special.
? what is that supposed to be?
Our planet taken on the edge of the solar system. In the original photo the planet was only .12 of a pixel. Considering our entire solar system is a similar sized dot in a photo of our galaxy. One could see smallness and insignificance of Earth in reference to everything else. You as an individual are the size of an atom in that photo. You are less than a dot in comparison everything else. Do you really think that if you pray a god will hear your voice? Do you think that every birth is a gift from a god and that a god made you in your precise form? Do you think a god will actually cause a plane to have a safe crash landing? There are celestial bodies out there that are so huge it would take a hundred years or more traveling at the speed of light just to cross it. And these celestial bodies may not even have intelligent life in them. Why would a god create something so massive and awesome in spectacle and then create something so insignificant such as Earth and call it it's super special creation, so special I'll send down a son to die for them?
In the scope of everything, you are nothing.
You are not special.
So its ridiculous to claim that a god, if such a thing exists, created you specifically in your homo sapien form to inhabit the specifically super specially created Earth and that it wants you to praise it. And that if you pray really hard (got to bow your head and clasp your hands or it wont work correctly!) that it just might do a miracle, such as angling a crashing aircraft a few degrees (compared to a 3,000 light year wide celestial object) so it can not break up on impact.
The notion that a god looks upon this planet is ridiculous.
how is it ridiculous? the bible says God created the stars above to testify to His awesome power. the size of something does not signify its importance...an oxygen molecule is naked to the human eye yet we cannot survive without it. i know my God hears me because i am His child and He is my Father. and your above statements are oppinion.
We are probably someone else's stars. And they look at their sky, which our star or galaxy is just a faint twinkle.
geoff:
Do you believe that there is other intelligent life out there?
Do you think that they think that our solar system is just a "testament of power"?
Do you think our planet has oxygen because there was a plan to put oxygen breathing animals on it or is it that there are oxygen breathing animals because there is oxygen on it?
If an "intelligent designer" was so smart why don't we breathe nitrogen? the atmosphere is 80% nitrogen.
i dont know if there is any other intelligent life out there. the bible doesnt say anything about it so yes there very well could be. i think our planet has oxygen cuz thats how God made it. i dont know why we breath oxygen instead of nitrogen. maybe we would of had a different make up in that case. not sure. are you telling me that its impossible for a superior being ( God ) to have created us and everything and done so else where and just not put it in the bible so we could concentrate on Him instead of trying to find other life? is the possibility of God really more farfetched than the universe, plants, humans to have just spontaneously come out of no where for no reason and " evolved" to what we are today?
like i said before...
although evolution can't be psychically seen there is a strong argument about what it is and the study of it. we humans can't even observe a caterpillar mutate, evolve, or whatever you want to call it into a butterfly, but we know that they are the same.
saying that there is NO PROOF of evolution is pretty... well... retarded.
just look at these fossil records.
pretty interesting, yes? I have looked into many different types of research on this topic and read many different scientists' theories. before i continue let me finish smoking this bowl before I try to wrap my mind around this whole topic lol.
.... okay... to all the Christians out there -- take a look at this video. Brain Washing ( Jesus Camp ''Highlights'' )
now, the funny thing is that modern Christianity and its teachings are entirely incongruous with what the bible actually says, or what christ taught.
you cannot justify the fucking wacky bullshit people do like at the jesus camp by using the bible.
They either misinterpret the bible or ignore it entirely.
watching that video just makes me feel gross inside. if hypothetically there was a devil... he's involved in that shit. Those children look like they're possessed, they just have a crazy look in their eyes.
the fat preacher bitch just looks scary too. It reminds me of when i went to a youth group with a bitch I wanted to bang and everyone waved their hands in the air, and one kid got on the mic and spoke in tongues.
I wanted to get the fuck out of there immediately cause I felt like there was some evil shit going on.
there are tons of animals to point out a sign of evolution or adaptation --- one that i enjoy suggesting are dog breeds.... (from chihuahua to bull mastiff) that is an easy way to "see" evolution in action.
what church do you go to that only lasts 15-20 minutes? I have been and have seen people go to church and disappear for hours at a time. seriously though, all this talk of how God made this and that... meh. God must be larger than the sun, or even the Galaxy to have "created" them. Or do you believe that God is "invisible"?
Objects in Mirror Appear to be losing.
During a church service that lasts about 1.5ish hours you have about 35 minutes of singing, 10 of prayer, 15 of communion, 10 of Tithing. That leaves about 20 minutes give or take a few to actually have teaching. My church starts at 10:30 and we are usually out by 12:15.
And my comments to him were specifically related to "the studying of the Bible". You are not going through the Bible for an entire church service. Some people may spend extra time on sunday morning in a sunday school class where you may add on another 30 -45 minutes, but we don't.
I believe in a transcendent God, who is beyond our ability to fully understand as he can exists inside and outside of our understanding. I do not believe he has to be physically big to have created the Universe. Thats an extremely elementary way of thinking.
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