Yes or no? Do you believe its real?
Yes or no? Do you believe its real?
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I'm just that guy that spends all his time printing.... T-shirts, banners, vinyl, etc.
"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
reppin the atheismOriginally Posted by Bus Driver J
Short answer, no.
undecided option needed.
sorry Indianstig. Saw this as a viable option.Originally Posted by EJ25RUN
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I'm just that guy that spends all his time printing.... T-shirts, banners, vinyl, etc.
"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
It was late I forgot about that. Good choice adding it.Originally Posted by stillaneon
No I dont believe he/she/it/they are real.
yes i believe in a god/superior being but i dont believe on religions and what they stand for.
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x2Originally Posted by C-loS109
I voted yes, but it's deeper than just a guy sitting at a throne in the sky.
Think about it.
i do. plain and simple. the big man keeps an eye on me @ all times...
Me me me!!! I do! Can't tell me different.
My boyfriend is better than you...
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I believe in a higher power. Now whether that higher power might be what we refer to as nature, maybe a god, maybe 10 gods, I think it is easier to believe that a "Creator" created everything rather than the big bang theory.
I am not a religious person, but sometimes, things work out so unexpected but so perfectly that it seems liek there is someone else up there. Like there is something indeed spiritual about this world and everything beyond it.
i believe that we all need a higher power when we feel low...im not gonna say that god is a human being..it can be anything.....it can be anything u want it to be...the point is that it exist and itz wat helps us and motivates us and inspires us.. its that power when we get good things in our life...soo yea i call it my god.,..so yes i believe in god
yes, i believe in myself.
why should i believe in something because i have always been told too?
and why should i believe in something because of the fear of damnation?
religion just seems like a communist country to me, it is surrounded by the thought that hey you better believe in me and my beliefs or after you die you will burn forever.
that is just retarded to me
im a realist, im not gonna believe in anything that i do not have proof is there
thats like me saying hey i think the cookie monster created the world, and if i got enough people rallying behind me the whole world would believe it
now im not trying to push my beliefs on you, but im just saying hey think about it, and maybe you could understand where i am coming from
that is all
I'm a realist too, but do you really think the universe started as a ball concentrated mass/energy, exploded and VIOLA, here we are billions of years later...?Originally Posted by tinkolby_25
You should only believe in something that you have faith in, whatever that is....but it seems your perspective is skewed....
where in that mass did i say i believed in the big bang theory?Originally Posted by NissanTun3r
honestly i dunno what to believe as far as the universe getting here
maybe some guy living in the sky did create all of this, but i believe all that is highly unlikely
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lolOriginally Posted by tinkolby_25
I will not try to prove you wrong, especially since you don't even know what you believe in...
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I'm just that guy that spends all his time printing.... T-shirts, banners, vinyl, etc.
"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
lololOriginally Posted by stillaneon
umm why do you believe that the sun is a ball of fire? Why do you believe in gravity? why do you believe that 1 plus 1 is 2? All of this is because someone told you. But you don't question these things, do you. Proof is just as much perception as anything else. When you learned to read you didn't ask someone to prove the alphabet works the way it does...did you?
all proof is is interpretation of something. 100 people could look at the same thing and get something different from it 100 times.
fear is not the reason to believe in God, damnation is not the reason either. Anyone who tells you that is wrong. Its not about death its about life, its not about hate its about love. you are judging the entire concept off of the misquotations and poor actions of a few who don't even represent the majority.
lol, contrary to popular belief... i did question this lol. i asked who made these like this? why is it abc and not dan or something lol. yes.... i may be retarded...Originally Posted by sport_122
sorry, that's not what I meant. The question was to show that unless YOU go to the sun, you are subjected to only what people around you can tell you. So in order for you to believe in ANYTHING you are going to be subject to people that teach you how to look at the world. The way people teach you will also effect how you learn when you go about finding knowledge on your own.Originally Posted by jonathanjone
The things that ppl teach you and how they influence you aren't the reason why we do the things we do, or believe the things we believe. We are subjected to not only the teachings but of our own thoughts, beliefs, and ideas. No one taught me how to look at the world the way I do, but we form our own opinions of how things work and we create something for ourselves to believe in...Originally Posted by sport_122
I think your post seems ambiguous and badly written because it doesn't make that much sense to me
Wouldn't it be better written if you just stated that it doesn't make sense to you because you don't have the capability to understand? No one has ever been able to comprehend you. No one has ever thought, nissantuner makes sense. You're always the butt of ridicule, man. So I don't think his post was badly written. It's just you're incapable of rationale. Later, QD.Originally Posted by NissanTun3r
Yeah, those things can't be provenOriginally Posted by sport_122
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B/c I know what fire is. I know what a ball is... put the 2 together and you have a fucking sun genius.Originally Posted by sport_122
Jump off a bridge. You will believe in it, or die trying not too.Originally Posted by sport_122
So do you.Originally Posted by sport_122
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."![]()
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Originally Posted by BABY J
Well if you want to make sense of my post then you need to read what it is reference to and the statements that I was replying to.
For anyone who says they don't believe in something "just because someone says so" or "they only believe what is proven by science" then they are leaving out the very REAL part of the equation.
The person who taught you that the sun was "a ball of fire" or the person who told you that red was red. You don't just KNOW unless you have some sort of knowledge on the subject that is taught and explained to you. If and when, you have kids lock them in a room with a book and they will not learn how to read. They have to be taught by someone, or something.
also in reply to the previous post
Nobody on this thread has original knowledge, and nobody on this thread is saying anything that has not been said before. So nobody on this thread can truthfully say that they learned everything and explain everything completely based on their own learning or logic. Someone else wrote the book, someone else laid the foundations for the research so we are all subject to opinions based on someone else.
So, how do you define logic? Lots of people have used the word, but by its very definition it is subjective. What is logic to you may not be logic to me. If that is the case how can you justify, YOUR logic as correct in comparison to someone else?
That in and of itself puts the burden of proof on both parties. Just as many theists struggle to understand and verbalize their reasons for believing in God, the non-theist also cannot prove the lack of existence of God. In all of the experience you have had, and all of the things you have known, your opinion remains subjective and personalized without the ability to prove.
The arguments that people have given so far are just mirrors of the reasons that theists give for believing in God. So what makes your argument or your stance better?
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This is just fail all over. As stated in the two posts by me, it is my opinion based on my own logic. All posts in this thread and throughout the world is based on that. We use our own experience and beliefs to determine what we believe and not believe in life. That is COMMON SENSE...so what are you trying to say?? What point are you trying to state?? Epic FailOriginally Posted by sport_122
My point is:Originally Posted by DynamicSound
If you believe that all experiences are based off of personal belief (as you said) then you would NOT try to flame people for having a different perspective than yours because you would have to also agree that you have NOT had their personal experience.
The theist would not be weak minded (as you portray) , and THEIR logic would be a suitable enough reason for them to believe in God. But you make statements like "I simply had a mind of my own and can see that it is BS."
So explain your logic to me, when you say that its up to the person, but the people that believe in religion are BS. You have just admitted to not understanding their logic, but at the same time you tell them it is wrong? That is illogical to me. For us car guys, its like someone hearing your turbo or blow of valve and telling you something is wrong with the engine. They make a statement out of ignorance to the subject.
YOU have said that YOUR opinion comes from YOUR experience, but when the same argument is given from the other side, ALL of a sudden its not good enough.
So maybe you did make the same point as I, but then you proved that your own way of thinking is subject to the same criticism that you made against the other side.
SO as a person who believes in an eternal God who reveals himself to us in many different ways. My reason for believing in God is because great things have happened in my life, I have had experiences that I would define as supernatural, and because I drink the cool aid and it tastes OH so good. I am not a believer because I fear hell, I am a believer because I embrace heaven.
As someone who claims that its a personal opinion then that should be more than enough for you...
of course that is if you in fact do say that belief is subjective. If it is then it cannot be wrong to you. If it is not, then you need to realize that it is no longer subjective which means their is a universal truth somewhere. And you cannot define a universal truth if you are going to ignore the existence of an eternal, and that is why I believe that logic is grounded in the eternal through the revelation (or advancement of understanding) of our universe.
I surely hope you have something better to say than EPIC FAIL, because for a person who claims that believers are BS you should have a much better reason, than the ones you have given that are only based on your experience, because I believe mine to be universal to everyone who has ever functioned on this planet.
No one knew any of those examples at one point. Since, as you stated, no one has original knowledge, these had to be learned...they are more than just bits of information passed on. If all of that information was wiped from mankind, I am confident that it would be discovered again. Why? There is physical proof.Originally Posted by sport_122
It can be very easily proven... What if I farted in your mouth? Would you believe in it then? If you can't even comprehend the 3 states of matter, procreation should be a no no..Originally Posted by Puddin4489
Makes sense..Originally Posted by Puddin4489
Yeah, when I flip coins I often ponder the significance between God's plan and the resultant.Originally Posted by Puddin4489
Originally Posted by DynamicSound
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red is just a word created to associate your mind with that colorOriginally Posted by sport_122
if the color red was named yellow it would still be there it would still look the same
i dont understand y u think that there is a reason to believe this is there or not because u can see it without a doubt
every time u look at the color red it is red, doesnt change
ok...so god created the world and all its creatures in seven days blah blah
what happened to the dinosaurs? there is PROOF they were here millions of years ago, but something wiped out every single one of them , then all of a sudden at a random interval in time a guy wrote the bible explaining everything that supposedly happened creating the world and such. where did he receive his facts? did god just beam down one day and say hey guy this happened write it down and tell everyone about it
that is the problem with religion you can never prove that god is there
i can prove the sun is there i can prove we have gravity i can prove the color red is red
and answer me this question if god created us then who created god?
where does he fit in to this whole scheme?
people say god has to be there, or how else would we be here, if god is real someone would have had to of created him
again christians prove me wrong,i want to be wrong
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