Scion Thread

[Sport1.3]

You can't compare boosting an unboosted car with boosting a boosted car even more.

Okay...

The 2001 was a transition year. They changed the turbo and compression ratio mid year. They went from a K03 for the 2001 to a K03s for the 2001.5. They produced 150hp throughout the year though.

Then if we are talking mods. A few small mods and a chip will make the 2001.5 1.8T GTI run high 13's in the quarter and make over 200whp.

Also you are comparing a 2001 with a 2004.

If you compare it to the 2004 GTI the scion still loses. The GTI has 180hp and it runs 0-60 in 6.5 seconds.

Actually i am comparing the motors performance potential as a whole compared to your 1.8t...so its relavent

even if you were to compare the 2004, the scion still optioned out has an available TRD supercharger giving it more power. 212 according to TRD (193whp dyno proven)..YES THIS IS FROM THE DEALER...NOT AN AFTERMARKET PART. Thats all still under $20K...which the 2004 1.8t cant touch.

If you then wanna add mods to your VW, a $110 NST (9.5psi-10psi) pulley and a decent open custom exhaust job can get the TC into the 250+whp range easy and with a good driver be dipping in the 13's as well

Dont get me wrong, i do like the Golf, but your arguement is a losing one. The TC has your model year Golf beat in almost ever performance aspect stock for stock and even heavily modified. My point was dont hate on other ppls rides before you know what you're talkin ab...others shouldnt hate on your ride either

and i'm def not hating because mine in its present state is too old and much slower then both said cars bone stock

[Kyle]

I hesitate to make an argument solely on performance. Thats not the reason I hate Scions. I hate scions because they are a youth division, they have lame "aftermarket" accesories that you buy straight from the dealerhsip. I find the whole customization from the factory thing . The marketing scheme is lame as well.

I have my reasons to hate scions.

Actually i am comparing the motors performance potential as a whole compared to your 1.8t...so its relavent

Okay but of all the Mk4 GTI's...stock mine is the worst. No question about it.

even if you were to compare the 2004, the scion still optioned out has an available TRD supercharger giving it more power. 212 according to TRD (193whp dyno proven)..YES THIS IS FROM THE DEALER...NOT AN AFTERMARKET PART. Thats all still under $20K...which the 2004 1.8t cant touch.

Okay. Well if you want to compare my GTI to a 20K scion go ahead. If I put the same kind of aftermarket in it, probably less I will make 200+whp. So I can definately touch that.

The prices are a completely different story.They are much different cars. And the GTI is more money for a reason. Also VW doesnt have an affiliated division for the GTI like TRD. We have Volkswagen Racing but they do nothing basically.

Dont get me wrong, i do like the Golf, but your arguement is a losing one. The TC has your model year Golf beat in almost ever performance aspect stock for stock and even heavily modified. My point was dont hate on other ppls rides before you know what you're talkin ab...others shouldnt hate on your ride either

and i'm def not hating because mine in its present state is too old and much slower then both said cars bone stock

Its not a losing one. I am not arguing that my year GTI is faster stock. You are comparing a 2004 scion to the bastard child of stock MK4 GTI's.

My car is obviously less expensive than a 04 Scion TC. If I invested the difference in mods, I would rape a TC.

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

That is the performance. If you want to talk about doing a scion and adding forced induction compare it to a GTI with a turbo upgrade. A GTI with a bigger turbo such as a GT28 will make 260+whp.

[Sport1.3]

Okay. Well if you want to compare my GTI to a 20K scion go ahead. If I put the same kind of aftermarket in it, probably less I will make 200+whp. So I can definately touch that.

The prices are a completely different story.They are much different cars. And the GTI is more money for a reason. Also VW doesnt have an affiliated division for the GTI like TRD. We have Volkswagen Racing but they do nothing basically.


Its not a losing one. I am not arguing that my year GTI is faster stock. You are comparing a 2004 scion to the bastard child of stock MK4 GTI's.

My car is obviously less expensive than a 04 Scion TC. If I invested the difference in mods, I would rape a TC.

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

That is the performance. If you want to talk about doing a scion and adding forced induction compare it to a GTI with a turbo upgrade. A GTI with a bigger turbo such as a GT28 will make 260+whp.

I said Under $20K, which when your car was new wasnt even close to that sticker. The Supercharged TC can be had for around $18-19K...the base model is $15,500 brand new! Thats what i meant as in you couldnt touch it for the price.

The VW is more money because its German, and you are paying for the name brand as well no doubt a heep of options the TC doesnt even offer.

You may think its gay to have a Dealer equiped performance part on your car, but every other Company is doing it, from GM to Dodge to Mazda, toyota etc.....just because VW is denying their customers warrantied aftermarket parts/dealer options isnt an excuse to hate them all together...look at what GM and dodge are doing with theirs.....they are making HUGE POWER!!!

Your car in 2001 brand new wasnt anywhere close to a TC's price so there would be no left over..the TC in 2004 was $15k base....a 2001 GTI in 2004 would have still sold for more then that lol

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins AGREE

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree, depends on mods ($2795 JSC speed turbo kit with an 18g makes just over 270-280whp @12psi...with tuning and an aftermarket exhaust (yes thats with stock catback) its easily in the 300's)

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins WRONG how can you say that when i had already proved this wrong in my last post....the TC is stock with a Supercharger if so equiped.....its faster then a 04 in everyway???

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree.....but i still say the TC would be close to if not just as fast as the 04


either way my point has been proven.....i'm really not tryin to turn this debate into an arguement and or a magazine ricer war lol. Either the VW or the Scion are both nice cars and deserve their props for what they bring to the table

[Kyle]

I said Under $20K, which when your car was new wasnt even close to that sticker. The Supercharged TC can be had for around $18-19K...the base model is $15,500 brand new! Thats what i meant as in you couldnt touch it for the price.

The VW is more money because its German, and you are paying for the name brand as well no doubt a heep of options the TC doesnt even offer.

You may think its gay to have a Dealer equiped performance part on your car, but every other Company is doing it, from GM to Dodge to Mazda, toyota etc.....just because VW is denying their customers warrantied aftermarket parts/dealer options isnt an excuse to hate them all together...look at what GM and dodge are doing with theirs.....they are making HUGE POWER!!!

Your car in 2001 brand new wasnt anywhere close to a TC's price so there would be no left over..the TC in 2004 was $15k base....a 2001 GTI in 2004 would have still sold for more then that lol

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins AGREE

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree, depends on mods ($2795 JSC speed turbo kit with an 18g makes just over 270-280whp @12psi...with tuning and an aftermarket exhaust (yes thats with stock catback) its easily in the 300's)

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins WRONG how can you say that when i had already proved this wrong in my last post....the TC is stock with a Supercharger if so equiped.....its faster then a 04 in everyway???

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree.....but i still say the TC would be close to if not just as fast as the 04


either way my point has been proven.....i'm really not tryin to turn this debate into an arguement and or a magazine ricer war lol. Either the VW or the Scion are both nice cars and deserve their props for what they bring to the table

First I am comparing the used price of my car to that of a scion. Moving on.......

Your original claims were all about the power of the REGULAR NA TC. Now all of the sudden its all about the supercharged? You posted the numbers of a REGULAR TC I posted the numbers of a REGULAR GTI 1.8T. And the GTI won. So how are you saying you disproved my statement? You posted a 7.something 0-60 and I posted a 6.5 0-60.

Thats not a fair comparison as the 1.8T is the base motor in the GTI as the NA motor is the base in the scion. Then maybe we can compare it to the nicest scion, the supercharged version, to the nicest GTI, the R32.

Also modding is all relative ya know. It just depends hard to tell what would win because different people do different things. So we will throw that out of the argument.