I hesitate to make an argument solely on performance. Thats not the reason I hate Scions. I hate scions because they are a youth division, they have lame "aftermarket" accesories that you buy straight from the dealerhsip. I find the whole customization from the factory thing . The marketing scheme is lame as well.

I have my reasons to hate scions.
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Actually i am comparing the motors performance potential as a whole compared to your 1.8t...so its relavent
Okay but of all the Mk4 GTI's...stock mine is the worst. No question about it.

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even if you were to compare the 2004, the scion still optioned out has an available TRD supercharger giving it more power. 212 according to TRD (193whp dyno proven)..YES THIS IS FROM THE DEALER...NOT AN AFTERMARKET PART. Thats all still under $20K...which the 2004 1.8t cant touch.
Okay. Well if you want to compare my GTI to a 20K scion go ahead. If I put the same kind of aftermarket in it, probably less I will make 200+whp. So I can definately touch that.

The prices are a completely different story.They are much different cars. And the GTI is more money for a reason. Also VW doesnt have an affiliated division for the GTI like TRD. We have Volkswagen Racing but they do nothing basically.

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Dont get me wrong, i do like the Golf, but your arguement is a losing one. The TC has your model year Golf beat in almost ever performance aspect stock for stock and even heavily modified. My point was dont hate on other ppls rides before you know what you're talkin ab...others shouldnt hate on your ride either

and i'm def not hating because mine in its present state is too old and much slower then both said cars bone stock
Its not a losing one. I am not arguing that my year GTI is faster stock. You are comparing a 2004 scion to the bastard child of stock MK4 GTI's.

My car is obviously less expensive than a 04 Scion TC. If I invested the difference in mods, I would rape a TC.

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

That is the performance. If you want to talk about doing a scion and adding forced induction compare it to a GTI with a turbo upgrade. A GTI with a bigger turbo such as a GT28 will make 260+whp.