Scion Thread

[CRISPYXB]

Sorry I am new didnt see anything for Scions so I figured I would start one.

[Kamikaze]

I own a Scion...for the time being.

[Dr Tweak]

I make Scions go fast...

[Alan®]

I make Scions go fast...

do you reall now what has everyone done to their scions in here???

[aaronfelipe]

Doubt it.

[Sport1.3]

Doubt it.

He has done a 3sgte swap to a celica...thats pretty decent.

Hey Tweak what all have you done with Scions.....i know you claim to be a Toyota Guru......any good with the 4ag?

[Ltdnismorace]

my buddy's fiance has a fairly nice scion, I'll try to get some pictures of it and post them.

[Dr Tweak]

He has done a 3sgte swap to a celica...thats pretty decent.

Hey Tweak what all have you done with Scions.....i know you claim to be a Toyota Guru......any good with the 4ag?

I think you need to pay a visit to my website:

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/



-Doc

[Sport1.3]

I think you need to pay a visit to my website:

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/



-Doc

Are you Dr Tweak on MR2OC.com as well? i think you've done quite a bit of harness work on MR2's for 20v swaps.....i just completed mine not too long ago!!

[00CelicaGT]

i have the older brother of a scion (CELICA) lol

[CRISPYXB]

Dr. Tweak, what kind of swap can I do with my xB. Really wanna do one.

[Dr Tweak]

Are you Dr Tweak on MR2OC.com as well? i think you've done quite a bit of harness work on MR2's for 20v swaps.....i just completed mine not too long ago!!

The one and only! Yes, I've done several of those swaps and countless harnesses.

Dr. Tweak, what kind of swap can I do with my xB. Really wanna do one.

It depends on how far you want to take it. As a basic swap, I would probably recommend a 4AGE Blacktop (170hp)

-Doc

[CRISPYXB]

How much am I looking at for that? Is a direct bolt in kit or will I have to do alot of cutting?

[Dr Tweak]

We would have to make you custom mounts and axles, but there wouldn't be any cutting of the frame or anything. You're probably looking at $2000 for the labor on the conversion, that engine set is around $1800 plus $350 for shipping, custom axles and mounts will be around $600, misc items I set aside $500, and then you want to think about what you want to do with the exhaust (we do custom stainless mandrel-bent exhaust here) so you may want to do that at the same time, and lastly, I recommend having us do a full reseal/timing belt/tuneup on the new engine before it goes in. So a whole swap would cost somewhere between $5000 and $7000, depending on what upgrades you choose and whatnot.

-Doc

-Doc

[CRISPYXB]

Sounds good. I would have to come down there, due to the fact I live in Az. But I would most definitly want to do this. I would love to have the fasted xB in Az. Would this engine fit a turbo too. Or will the engine compartment be pretty full after the swap.

[Dr Tweak]

I'm sure we could work a turbo system out.

[Kyle]

the TC's 2AZFE motor will outboost/outpower your 1.8T on stock internals anyday of the week. Granted it has a .6liter advantage but none the less quite a bad ass little motor and completely overbuilt. The car is also physically lighter then your Golf aswell......so dont count it out in the handling department too soon either....they arent horrible cars....they are just Toyota's economy based division....you get what you pay for

Are you saying that boosted the motor is more powerful? Its not boosted though. If so you are comparing two different things. And if so we can talk about boosting vw's 2.8liter.

If you are simply talkinga about that car stock vs. a GTI 1.8T stock then you are mistaken my friend.

Because 180hp>157hp every day of the week. And with 2k in mods done to each car the GTI will own the TC.

And the weight difference is not large at all, the scion is 2905 lbs. and the GTI is 2932lbs. Not a big deal.

[Sport1.3]

Are you saying that boosted the motor is more powerful? Its not boosted though. If so you are comparing two different things. And if so we can talk about boosting vw's 2.8liter.

If you are simply talkinga about that car stock vs. a GTI 1.8T stock then you are mistaken my friend.

Because 180hp>157hp every day of the week. And with 2k in mods done to each car the GTI will own the TC.

And the weight difference is not large at all, the scion is 2905 lbs. and the GTI is 2932lbs. Not a big deal.

Yes boosted it has much more potential then the VW I4 no doubt ab it. its not really comparing 2 seperate things when you are speaking of the power potential of each motor. Sure the VR6 can make more power, it has 2 extra cylinders ...we are comparing your car to a TC

well if you want to get technical, the factory rated the TC at 160hp/163tq and your 1.8t in the 2001 model year was rated at 150hp/155tq respectively...so i dont see your arguement there....infact the TC has you beat, and N/A at that..also if you're wanting to argue the 2002 1.8t and its 180hp rating, Toyota offers a factory standered option of a TRD supercharger for a small sum of $3000 added to the sticker price of the car....it retains the factory warranty and adds (with a small amount of boost) ~50+ hp. so 160>150 and 210>180, any day of the week!

Straight from car and driver in 2001: "The GTI feels faster than it really is, however. Zero to 60 mph takes 8.5 seconds, and the quarter-mile arrives in a leisurely 16.5 seconds at 84.3 mph" The TC does the 1/4 BONE STOCK in 15.7 (as tested by Sport compact car) and 0-60 takes almost a second less at 7.8 secs.....so you lose here too

shall i go on?

[Dr Tweak]

Ouch... mad ownage right there!

STOP THE KILLING! STOP THE KILLING!

LOL

-Doc

[Kyle]

Yes boosted it has much more potential then the VW I4 no doubt ab it. its not really comparing 2 seperate things when you are speaking of the power potential of each motor. Sure the VR6 can make more power, it has 2 extra cylinders ...we are comparing your car to a TC

well if you want to get technical, the factory rated the TC at 160hp/163tq and your 1.8t in the 2001 model year was rated at 150hp/155tq respectively...so i dont see your arguement there....infact the TC has you beat, and N/A at that..also if you're wanting to argue the 2002 1.8t and its 180hp rating, Toyota offers a factory standered option of a TRD supercharger for a small sum of $3000 added to the sticker price of the car....it retains the factory warranty and adds (with a small amount of boost) ~50+ hp. so 160>150 and 210>180, any day of the week!

Straight from car and driver in 2001: "The GTI feels faster than it really is, however. Zero to 60 mph takes 8.5 seconds, and the quarter-mile arrives in a leisurely 16.5 seconds at 84.3 mph" The TC does the 1/4 BONE STOCK in 15.7 (as tested by Sport compact car) and 0-60 takes almost a second less at 7.8 secs.....so you lose here too

shall i go on?

You can't compare boosting an unboosted car with boosting a boosted car even more.

Okay...

The 2001 was a transition year. They changed the turbo and compression ratio mid year. They went from a K03 for the 2001 to a K03s for the 2001.5. They produced 150hp throughout the year though.

Then if we are talking mods. A few small mods and a chip will make the 2001.5 1.8T GTI run high 13's in the quarter and make over 200whp.

Also you are comparing a 2001 with a 2004.

If you compare it to the 2004 GTI the scion still loses. The GTI has 180hp and it runs 0-60 in 6.5 seconds.

[Sport1.3]

You can't compare boosting an unboosted car with boosting a boosted car even more.

Okay...

The 2001 was a transition year. They changed the turbo and compression ratio mid year. They went from a K03 for the 2001 to a K03s for the 2001.5. They produced 150hp throughout the year though.

Then if we are talking mods. A few small mods and a chip will make the 2001.5 1.8T GTI run high 13's in the quarter and make over 200whp.

Also you are comparing a 2001 with a 2004.

If you compare it to the 2004 GTI the scion still loses. The GTI has 180hp and it runs 0-60 in 6.5 seconds.

Actually i am comparing the motors performance potential as a whole compared to your 1.8t...so its relavent

even if you were to compare the 2004, the scion still optioned out has an available TRD supercharger giving it more power. 212 according to TRD (193whp dyno proven)..YES THIS IS FROM THE DEALER...NOT AN AFTERMARKET PART. Thats all still under $20K...which the 2004 1.8t cant touch.

If you then wanna add mods to your VW, a $110 NST (9.5psi-10psi) pulley and a decent open custom exhaust job can get the TC into the 250+whp range easy and with a good driver be dipping in the 13's as well

Dont get me wrong, i do like the Golf, but your arguement is a losing one. The TC has your model year Golf beat in almost ever performance aspect stock for stock and even heavily modified. My point was dont hate on other ppls rides before you know what you're talkin ab...others shouldnt hate on your ride either

and i'm def not hating because mine in its present state is too old and much slower then both said cars bone stock

[Kyle]

I hesitate to make an argument solely on performance. Thats not the reason I hate Scions. I hate scions because they are a youth division, they have lame "aftermarket" accesories that you buy straight from the dealerhsip. I find the whole customization from the factory thing . The marketing scheme is lame as well.

I have my reasons to hate scions.

Actually i am comparing the motors performance potential as a whole compared to your 1.8t...so its relavent

Okay but of all the Mk4 GTI's...stock mine is the worst. No question about it.

even if you were to compare the 2004, the scion still optioned out has an available TRD supercharger giving it more power. 212 according to TRD (193whp dyno proven)..YES THIS IS FROM THE DEALER...NOT AN AFTERMARKET PART. Thats all still under $20K...which the 2004 1.8t cant touch.

Okay. Well if you want to compare my GTI to a 20K scion go ahead. If I put the same kind of aftermarket in it, probably less I will make 200+whp. So I can definately touch that.

The prices are a completely different story.They are much different cars. And the GTI is more money for a reason. Also VW doesnt have an affiliated division for the GTI like TRD. We have Volkswagen Racing but they do nothing basically.

Dont get me wrong, i do like the Golf, but your arguement is a losing one. The TC has your model year Golf beat in almost ever performance aspect stock for stock and even heavily modified. My point was dont hate on other ppls rides before you know what you're talkin ab...others shouldnt hate on your ride either

and i'm def not hating because mine in its present state is too old and much slower then both said cars bone stock

Its not a losing one. I am not arguing that my year GTI is faster stock. You are comparing a 2004 scion to the bastard child of stock MK4 GTI's.

My car is obviously less expensive than a 04 Scion TC. If I invested the difference in mods, I would rape a TC.

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

That is the performance. If you want to talk about doing a scion and adding forced induction compare it to a GTI with a turbo upgrade. A GTI with a bigger turbo such as a GT28 will make 260+whp.

[Sport1.3]

Okay. Well if you want to compare my GTI to a 20K scion go ahead. If I put the same kind of aftermarket in it, probably less I will make 200+whp. So I can definately touch that.

The prices are a completely different story.They are much different cars. And the GTI is more money for a reason. Also VW doesnt have an affiliated division for the GTI like TRD. We have Volkswagen Racing but they do nothing basically.


Its not a losing one. I am not arguing that my year GTI is faster stock. You are comparing a 2004 scion to the bastard child of stock MK4 GTI's.

My car is obviously less expensive than a 04 Scion TC. If I invested the difference in mods, I would rape a TC.

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins

That is the performance. If you want to talk about doing a scion and adding forced induction compare it to a GTI with a turbo upgrade. A GTI with a bigger turbo such as a GT28 will make 260+whp.

I said Under $20K, which when your car was new wasnt even close to that sticker. The Supercharged TC can be had for around $18-19K...the base model is $15,500 brand new! Thats what i meant as in you couldnt touch it for the price.

The VW is more money because its German, and you are paying for the name brand as well no doubt a heep of options the TC doesnt even offer.

You may think its gay to have a Dealer equiped performance part on your car, but every other Company is doing it, from GM to Dodge to Mazda, toyota etc.....just because VW is denying their customers warrantied aftermarket parts/dealer options isnt an excuse to hate them all together...look at what GM and dodge are doing with theirs.....they are making HUGE POWER!!!

Your car in 2001 brand new wasnt anywhere close to a TC's price so there would be no left over..the TC in 2004 was $15k base....a 2001 GTI in 2004 would have still sold for more then that lol

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins AGREE

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree, depends on mods ($2795 JSC speed turbo kit with an 18g makes just over 270-280whp @12psi...with tuning and an aftermarket exhaust (yes thats with stock catback) its easily in the 300's)

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins WRONG how can you say that when i had already proved this wrong in my last post....the TC is stock with a Supercharger if so equiped.....its faster then a 04 in everyway???

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree.....but i still say the TC would be close to if not just as fast as the 04


either way my point has been proven.....i'm really not tryin to turn this debate into an arguement and or a magazine ricer war lol. Either the VW or the Scion are both nice cars and deserve their props for what they bring to the table

[Sport1.3]

What is your reason for hating scions so much anyway? i mean i dont own one, nor do i plan on it...but why all the hate towards the brand....just because its youth oriented??

[Kyle]

I said Under $20K, which when your car was new wasnt even close to that sticker. The Supercharged TC can be had for around $18-19K...the base model is $15,500 brand new! Thats what i meant as in you couldnt touch it for the price.

The VW is more money because its German, and you are paying for the name brand as well no doubt a heep of options the TC doesnt even offer.

You may think its gay to have a Dealer equiped performance part on your car, but every other Company is doing it, from GM to Dodge to Mazda, toyota etc.....just because VW is denying their customers warrantied aftermarket parts/dealer options isnt an excuse to hate them all together...look at what GM and dodge are doing with theirs.....they are making HUGE POWER!!!

Your car in 2001 brand new wasnt anywhere close to a TC's price so there would be no left over..the TC in 2004 was $15k base....a 2001 GTI in 2004 would have still sold for more then that lol

So here are the scenarios:

Stock 2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. 2004 Scion TC- Scion tC wins AGREE

2001.5 GTI 1.8T vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree, depends on mods ($2795 JSC speed turbo kit with an 18g makes just over 270-280whp @12psi...with tuning and an aftermarket exhaust (yes thats with stock catback) its easily in the 300's)

Stock 2004 GTI vs. Stock 2004 Scion TC- GTI wins WRONG how can you say that when i had already proved this wrong in my last post....the TC is stock with a Supercharger if so equiped.....its faster then a 04 in everyway???

2004 GTI with 3k in mods vs. TC with 3k in mods- GTI wins Partially agree.....but i still say the TC would be close to if not just as fast as the 04


either way my point has been proven.....i'm really not tryin to turn this debate into an arguement and or a magazine ricer war lol. Either the VW or the Scion are both nice cars and deserve their props for what they bring to the table

First I am comparing the used price of my car to that of a scion. Moving on.......

Your original claims were all about the power of the REGULAR NA TC. Now all of the sudden its all about the supercharged? You posted the numbers of a REGULAR TC I posted the numbers of a REGULAR GTI 1.8T. And the GTI won. So how are you saying you disproved my statement? You posted a 7.something 0-60 and I posted a 6.5 0-60.

Thats not a fair comparison as the 1.8T is the base motor in the GTI as the NA motor is the base in the scion. Then maybe we can compare it to the nicest scion, the supercharged version, to the nicest GTI, the R32.

Also modding is all relative ya know. It just depends hard to tell what would win because different people do different things. So we will throw that out of the argument.

[Kyle]

What is your reason for hating scions so much anyway? i mean i dont own one, nor do i plan on it...but why all the hate towards the brand....just because its youth oriented??

haha.

Well the concept of a youth division is just horrible IMO. I hate the designs of all of their cars. The xb is aerodynamically retarded. Its a brick. The tc just looks weird to me. Its something about the side of the car.

Also I have yet to see a clean scion. All the xb's that I have seen modified are RICE. The tc's are generally rice and the people that drive them are lame IMO. All the scion owners I know are tools. Thats only like 3 people, so its a unfair generalization I suppose. And all the modified tc's I have seen drive like ricers.

[Kyle]

Also my friends were at the toyota dealership and they were selling a supercharged tc for $30,000 at the dealership.

Page 3 is mine BTW.

[Kamikaze]

Also my friends were at the toyota dealership and they were selling a supercharged tc for $30,000 at the dealership.

Page 3 is mine BTW.

Lol someone lied to you. Either that or some dealer was trying to take advantage of a naive buyer.

[Kamikaze]

Also I have yet to see a clean scion. All the xb's that I have seen modified are RICE. The tc's are generally rice and the people that drive them are lame IMO. All the scion owners I know are tools. Thats only like 3 people, so its a unfair generalization I suppose. And all the modified tc's I have seen drive like ricers.

With a mindset like that, it's a good thing Tech doesn't do interviews.

You hang around rice boys, then you're gonna see rice. Hang around real car enthusiasts that have some taste, and you'll see show winning cars. It's as simple as that.

[Kyle]

With a mindset like that, it's a good thing Tech doesn't do interviews.

You hang around rice boys, then you're gonna see rice. Hang around real car enthusiasts that have some taste, and you'll see show winning cars. It's as simple as that.

That's not a mindset, I am saying from the scions I have seen modified they are all rice. I am not saying ever scion is rice, but the ones I have seen are.

I do hang around real car enthusiasts. Every week. Those ricers are just people who went to my high school. I didnt hang around any of them, I just saw them at school.

[Alan®]

i dont see how you can call the tC rice. when basically every car made now is basically rice. imho the tc's have for more potentioal than anybody gives them. my neighbor bought his tC bone stock and has since gotten the treadstone kit and a zpi turbo back exhaust. on street tires he ran 13.8 and beat anthony in his s.c. mustang the first time out at the SELOC/3S track day so theres your 3k. for 3k he got the entire turbo kit with 9lbs boost spring and is puting down over 260whp and has the potential to run mid to low 13's on drag radials and a stage two clutch personally a boosted tC will out perform a GTI with 3k mods in as i have driven a GTI and it really is slower than it feels. and i have raced a stock GTI and smoked it. its better than a straight line and better around the track. everyone has there own taste but personaly i dont see how you can come into another forum and sit here and beligerntly hate on someones car go back to GDM forums and stay out if you have nothing constructive to say other than to bas people for owning a scion

[Kyle]

i dont see how you can call the tC rice. when basically every car made now is basically rice. imho the tc's have for more potentioal than anybody gives them. my neighbor bought his tC bone stock and has since gotten the treadstone kit and a zpi turbo back exhaust. on street tires he ran 13.8 and beat anthony in his s.c. mustang the first time out at the SELOC/3S track day so theres your 3k. for 3k he got the entire turbo kit with 9lbs boost spring and is puting down over 260whp and has the potential to run mid to low 13's on drag radials and a stage two clutch personally a boosted tC will out perform a GTI with 3k mods in as i have driven a GTI and it really is slower than it feels. and i have raced a stock GTI and smoked it. its better than a straight line and better around the track. everyone has there own taste but personaly i dont see how you can come into another forum and sit here and beligerntly hate on someones car go back to GDM forums and stay out if you have nothing constructive to say other than to bas people for owning a scion

Okay well I never called the tC rice. I am saying that the ones I have seen modified have been riced out. That is not saying all modified scions are rice. I am sure there are some nice ones, but I am saying I have yet to see any.

Someone made the comparison of my car to a tC so we talked about that for a while. I didnt come in and say GTI owns tC bishes. Thats not how it happened.

I do however admit I dislike scion as I have said.

Yeah the only GTI you can smoke is an 99-01 1.8T...stock. All the others will beat the tC.

I didnt bash people for owning them. I didnt say just because you own one your a ricer or anything like that.

[Kamikaze]

I didnt bash people for owning them. I didnt say just because you own one your a ricer or anything like that.

The tc's are generally rice and the people that drive them are lame IMO. All the scion owners I know are tools.

[Kyle]

Thanks for the cut and paste. But by doing that you take the statement out of context. Re-read it please.

Also I have yet to see a clean scion. All the xb's that I have seen modified are RICE. The tc's are generally rice and the people that drive them are lame IMO. All the scion owners I know are tools. Thats only like 3 people, so its a unfair generalization I suppose. And all the modified tc's I have seen drive like ricers.

Note that my statement was saying the ones I have seen. I didn't say all scion owners are lame. I said the ones I see are generally rice.

[Sport1.3]

Also my friends were at the toyota dealership and they were selling a supercharged tc for $30,000 at the dealership.

Page 3 is mine BTW.

My roomate bought his for 21,500. He has every available option for it too though. He got it brand new 2005. the Base model in MT can be had with the TRD suspension and supercharger option for under 20k..its the Enkei wheels, leather interior, upgraded sound system, factory tint, power everything, etc that kills the price.....I have no clue why they would be selling it for $30k....they are def ripping somebody off....if there is someoen dumb enough to pay that much

[Sport1.3]

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Someone made the comparison of my car to a tC so we talked about that for a while. I didnt come in and say GTI owns tC bishes. Thats not how it happened.

yeah guys me and Kyle were just comparing/debating the 2 brands...no big deal. He doesnt like the TC, who cares....there are plenty of cars i cant stand lol....*RX8, Matrix, Beetle, Accord, etc"... its all personal opinion. Still though for every car i hate, there is someone out there thats into them and can pull off a clean version....so i'll always give props to ppl for being different

[Kyle]

My roomate bought his for 21,500. He has every available option for it too though. He got it brand new 2005. the Base model in MT can be had with the TRD suspension and supercharger option for under 20k..its the Enkei wheels, leather interior, upgraded sound system, factory tint, power everything, etc that kills the price.....I have no clue why they would be selling it for $30k....they are def ripping somebody off....if there is someoen dumb enough to pay that much

I couldn't believe the $30K sticker. I had two friends there one of which is a mod on here.

yeah guys me and Kyle were just comparing/debating the 2 brands...no big deal. He doesnt like the TC, who cares....there are plenty of cars i cant stand lol....*RX8, Matrix, Beetle, Accord, etc"... its all personal opinion. Still though for every car i hate, there is someone out there thats into them and can pull off a clean version....so i'll always give props to ppl for being different

Yeah this is nothing personal to any of you. We were comparing the two cars. Simply a friendly debate. Glad to see we are on the same page Sport20.

And I have a lot of respect for toyota in general. The Supra, FJ, Land Cruiser, Tundra, Mr2(until the current generation), etc. They are all well made, but I do not like the idea of them branching off into a new division. That's all guys.

[CRISPYXB]

The design of the xB seems to be based on the shape of a brick.

HMMMM!!!!

[CRISPYXB]

I totally understand Kyle. Either you hate Scions or you love them. There really in no in between. I didnt mean to sound like a dick. I am just messing around and enjoying the contraversy. Fun Times. Trouce

[Kyle]

Thats straight. And that is one of the ugliest GTIs I have seen in a while. Looks like pep boys had a clearance on rims. That ish is gross.

Here are some better examples for ya.
Meh car.