K series guys ( well mainly gregg lol)

[David88vert]

david i build hondas for one reason because thats what i work on and i run across parts for nothing and i mean nothing .

And that makes all the difference. I would do the same in your shoes.

[Vteckidd]

Then I'm giving you $6000 :p

[h22 jones]

Im not saying it cant be done but just like you could do that and i can build my car for 6,000 it cost the 90 percent of people that dont know or cant work on there own shit 3 times that .

If i wasnt planning on building my new setup from the get go i would have put the si in the mid elevens easily just didnt want that low of gearing to drive everyday. If you lived in macon you would see my dad in the si hatch atleast four days a week . Im serious he drives it every damn day so when i say its a dd i mean its a dd. Unless he is going to the hunting club he is in his hatch . Hell my new motor has the potential to do shit that nobady around here has done with a all motor car but i willl never do it because i care nothing about having a stripped out hatch . I like my shit nice and to feel good riding in it . So i will make 300 hp with ac coming very soon .

[05dc5s]

[Moseley]

^^ AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

[Moseley]

no offense mike but I'm a little skeptical of this 300whp number. making 300whp requires a certain amount of wtq at a certain rpm. so take your pick:

300whp = 210wtq @ 7500
300whp = 196wtq @ 8000
300whp = 185wtq @ 8500
300whp = 175wtq @ 9000

looking at those numbers it is obvious that the easiest way to make 300whp with a honda is to rev it to 9k and still be making at least 175wtq at that rpm. But when stroke, rod length, or compression are changed... the cam requirement of the engine is changed also. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't expect a cam that makes 250whp on a stock stroke, to be worth a damn on a bottom end with different geometry, no matter how awesome the bottom end is, you might only see 5-10whp. I also hope you aren't planning on the 196wtq @ 8000 route... because that would be more VE than a cammed K20, and with a longer stroke that is pretty much impossible.

So on a legit dyno jet, I think 270-280whp from an H is pretty feasible. but just like 1/4 mile times, every little bit is more and more difficult to achieve. I'd expect it to take a perfect cam for the application, 13:1 or higher, proper fuel like Q16, perfect header and intake manifold, all dialed in... and at least 2.4L to have an H make 300whp. the only reason I say that is because it takes many of those same things to have a K make a legit 300whp, and I would expect the H to be a little more difficult due to the head design.

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[k_killaGSR]

Ther agian you are talking about a whole different class of racing . Not to mention you have 50 people building the all motor k and only running two tenths faster then the only fucking person that races a hatch . Have you ever thought of it that way . Hmmm i wonder how fast the h would be if there was fifty people building them . We want know because people are scared to think out side the box and when they spend that kind of money they want to start with the best oppurtuntiy to start off with . My beat is rany goes k or gets out of it all together . I think its funny that ks are dominating because they are running two tenths faster then the only damn h series built lmao . Dont get me wrong for that money at that point i would go k to but for one reason which i cant say till i prove that gregg dont know.

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

actually some of these are local shops in NY beating randy. it really doesnt matter how many people are building a motor there is only so much that can be done to a motor, rnady knows his shit so it wouldnt make a difference if he built his motor or if he had 20 people help him. randy isnt the only h2b running in his class there other h2b set ups running in his class i just used him because he is the quickest. there is a reason why people go K and its because its just a superior motor, bigger motor, better flowing head and better tech. K series are more reliable, also randy blew his motor that went 10.5 while these k's running 10.2's are still running. randy uses custom pistons and has custom work done on his head by brad at RLZ (they are good friends) and we all know RLZ does some of the best work in the states. el freddy has his rwd civic running 7's its running a k series. for a reg street person who doesnt have their own shop and alot of money and no patience then h2b is the way to go. K series is expensive but if you have patience then you can slowly put one together and spank anybody at the meets. if you roll up to a local meet with a k24/20 frank motor with bolt ons, k pro and a tune no h2b at that meet will beat you unless they are BUILT or boosted. i like h2b's they are great frank setups to have, has alot of tq and are fast shit here in NC theres a h2b with just bolts ons and a tune running 12.4's using a b16 tranny with m factory FD on slicks but k is still superior. all im saying is stock for stock K wins and fully built vs fully built K wins again so K FTMFW!

this is what happens when h2b trys to run k24 frank setup at the meets. these are two locals here in the charlotte area. the h2b has a built block with high compression pistons, full bolt ons, the head has full valvetrain with jun III cams , its tuned running a type R tranny and the k24 is a k24 block with k20a2 head full bolt ons and k pro tuned. since this video the h2b got a port and polish and is running 11's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjoo2Qpc0s

[k_killaGSR]

[terrytowe22]

K are worthless H all the way

[DarKStaR]

no offense mike but I'm a little skeptical of this 300whp number. making 300whp requires a certain amount of wtq at a certain rpm. so take your pick:

300whp = 210wtq @ 7500
300whp = 196wtq @ 8000
300whp = 185wtq @ 8500
300whp = 175wtq @ 9000

looking at those numbers it is obvious that the easiest way to make 300whp with a honda is to rev it to 9k and still be making at least 175wtq at that rpm. But when stroke, rod length, or compression are changed... the cam requirement of the engine is changed also. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't expect a cam that makes 250whp on a stock stroke, to be worth a damn on a bottom end with different geometry, no matter how awesome the bottom end is, you might only see 5-10whp. I also hope you aren't planning on the 196wtq @ 8000 route... because that would be more VE than a cammed K20, and with a longer stroke that is pretty much impossible.

So on a legit dyno jet, I think 270-280whp from an H is pretty feasible. but just like 1/4 mile times, every little bit is more and more difficult to achieve. I'd expect it to take a perfect cam for the application, 13:1 or higher, proper fuel like Q16, perfect header and intake manifold, all dialed in... and at least 2.4L to have an H make 300whp. the only reason I say that is because it takes many of those same things to have a K make a legit 300whp, and I would expect the H to be a little more difficult due to the head design.

300whp should be able to be done with a 89x97mm pro 3 setup

actually some of these are local shops in NY beating randy. it really doesnt matter how many people are building a motor there is only so much that can be done to a motor, rnady knows his shit so it wouldnt make a difference if he built his motor or if he had 20 people help him. randy isnt the only h2b running in his class there other h2b set ups running in his class i just used him because he is the quickest. there is a reason why people go K and its because its just a superior motor, bigger motor, better flowing head and better tech. K series are more reliable, also randy blew his motor that went 10.5 while these k's running 10.2's are still running. randy uses custom pistons and has custom work done on his head by brad at RLZ (they are good friends) and we all know RLZ does some of the best work in the states. el freddy has his rwd civic running 7's its running a k series. for a reg street person who doesnt have their own shop and alot of money and no patience then h2b is the way to go. K series is expensive but if you have patience then you can slowly put one together and spank anybody at the meets. if you roll up to a local meet with a k24/20 frank motor with bolt ons, k pro and a tune no h2b at that meet will beat you unless they are BUILT or boosted. i like h2b's they are great frank setups to have, has alot of tq and are fast shit here in NC theres a h2b with just bolts ons and a tune running 12.4's using a b16 tranny with m factory FD on slicks but k is still superior. all im saying is stock for stock K wins and fully built vs fully built K wins again so K FTMFW!

this is what happens when h2b trys to run k24 frank setup at the meets. these are two locals here in the charlotte area. the h2b has a built block with high compression pistons, full bolt ons, the head has full valvetrain with jun III cams , its tuned running a type R tranny and the k24 is a k24 block with k20a2 head full bolt ons and k pro tuned. since this video the h2b got a port and polish and is running 11's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjoo2Qpc0s

This argument can go on for days just like the mustang vs civic topic. Randy's setup was nothing special, had a stroker kit that anyone can get and custom pistons that were "max dome" that im sure anyone could order, off the shelf cams, ported head, and custom header and intake.

[David88vert]

Im not saying it cant be done but just like you could do that and i can build my car for 6,000 it cost the 90 percent of people that dont know or cant work on there own shit 3 times that .

I intentionally did not add in labor costs, just like no one added the labor costs in for doing a k-swap. We all know that labor adds up, but it sure seems like the k swap would take more, as there are more items to change.

[David88vert]

Then I'm giving you $6000 :p

Mine originally only cost me $6k, and was already superchaged. Mine isn't for sale, but if you have $6k, you can go buy that one in AL, and a motor from Coupe Performance, and be up and running. If you negotiate well, you might not even get your hands dirty and be at $6k.

Good rule of thumb.
8.2 deck = 302 stock block = semi-safe power on pump about 500rwhp when built
9.5 deck = 351 stock block = semi-safe power on pump about 750rwhp when built
Obviously, you can get more if you pour the block, or do a few extras, but street cars won't usually have that.

Mustangs are easy to make power on. Just add the smallest Vortech, a SC trim like I have, and you can make 300rwhp with everything stock. That's enouhg power to get into the high 12's right there. You can pick up used Vortech kits for $2K all day long, and a clean stock foxbody for under $4K.
There is a 92 LX for $3K OBO right now on CL in Dallas, GA that has 5 lug conversion, Moser axles, 3.73 gear, etc. Could use a paint job. If you paid $2500 for it, then put $1500 into paint, and then added slicks and spray, you would be under $6k, and would be able to do low 11's at least - and still be dependable.

[112480]

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.




never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

Whoa whoa hell whoa! mike. First off PLEASE stop bringing up hmotorsonline.com! $4k for a type s swap???!!! Seriously?????!! James got the smae k20z1 swap right now at mainstream for $2000!!! Once again STOOOOP giving people these 2004 prices. I had just typed a LONG page describing all your false prices above but my computer messed up at the time and did not post it so i'm gonna sum it up for you.

1. GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM AND SEE ALL THE PRICES I SPEAK OF FOR YOUSELF!! These are NOT "magical" prices!! I told you MADMAN7887 on k20a.org sells the k-pro for $800! THATS THE WHOLE ECU WITH K-PRO ON IT!!!! You DO NOT need your own ecu!!! When i told scotty how much i paid for it, he couldnt believe it! So he(scotty) went on k20a.rog himself and saw the prices the guys was/IS giving and scotty was like "DAMN!" So k-pro DOES NOT cost $1000!!!!!!

2.Mount kit brand new from hybrid-racing cost $499. U can get that same mount kit slightly used from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $3-350SHIPPED!!! sometimes $275shipped! Or u might get lucky and come across a good deal like me and get a brand new never used set for $350shipped! but on average its $3-350SHIPPED for the mounts NOT $4-500!!

3.Shifter box can be had for $50-75shipped all day on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM!! shit u an go to www.hondapartsunlimited.com and get the type s shifter box BRAND NEW OEM for $77.49+shipping!!

4.Shifter kit(used) on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM goes for $60-75shipped!!

5.The "adaptor engine harness(a.k.a conversion harness) is NOT $4-500!! You can get a used one from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $150-175shipped! Shit sparkksracing on k20a.org sells theirs for $250shipped!

6.Your return fuel system, i will give u is between $200-400 depending on the parts u use on it. basically the name brand.

7. DO NOT get a A/c,P/S removal kit from karcepts!!! You do not need that!! All you need is the ep3(03-05 Si)idler pulley which can be had on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $50shipped! or go to hondapartsunlimited.com and get the idler pulley and bracket BRAND NEW for $68.88+shipping! Do NOT fucking spend $2-300 for the karcepts a/c,p/s removal kit!!!

8.From hybrid-racing website, the clutchline kit is $95 and the swap axels are $199. You DO NOT have to get an aftermarket inline fuel filter, u can use ur stock one on ur 92-95 eg/dc!!

9. Mike where do you come from with an aftermarket radiator?????? I have a Aluminum C&R radiator for a 92-95 CIVIC!! all u have to do is cut the brackets from the condensor side and sit the 92-95 civic rad in there and either weld the brackets back up under it or find another way to secure it to the coil support! So people you DO NOT have to get an aftermarket radiator!!! U can get a nice one for the 92-95 civic and it will work just fine, also you can use the fan switch from a 92-95 civic radiator as well!!! And u dont need a damn slim fan either!

So mike again STOOOP telling people ur 2004 k swap/part prices! The prices i give are not "magical" by any means!! ANY AND EVERYONE CAN GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX RIGHT NOW AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES!! So yes its cost more than$2-3k but its NOT $7-8k either!

And btw, mike when ppl ask me how much i spent on my motor/semi build, i dont tell them because, 1. it keeps the theives wondering and 2. like you said it would be right for me to give ppl MY prices i got my stuff for becuase some of the parts were "1 off" deals for me and proly wont be seen again.......probably! I dont give out "magical" prices mikes, only facts. So to sum it all up:


VTECKIDD-gives you k swap/part prices from 2004.

112480- gives youREALISTIC k swap/part prices in 2011 from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM!!!

The reason i havent listed ll the other parts need(it is quite a few) to do the swap/build is because they are cheaper than the parts we listed here. I just want to let everyone know of the REALITY of the k swap/parts prices in TODAYS TIMES! So again mike STOP false claiming prices from 7 years ago!! You do not know what ur talking about! I dont care if u owned 10 k swap cars. ANYONE can go to K20A.ORG OR CLUBRSX.COM and see for themselves!! There are PLENTY of reputable sellers on those sites

[Z0_o6]

K20's aren't bad. You can use a K24 bottom end to get more displacement, the K20 heads outflow all but heavily worked older stuff, VTC is a nice advantage, and the blocks are extremely stout. It's progress. How long did chevy guys say that a small block was better than the LS series?

[112480]

its gregg he doesnt want to say he has $10,000 in a car that possibly could get beat by a less powerful and costly car.

I mean he isnt even factoring in his chassis which has carbon fiber tail gate, hood, wheels, coilovers, exhaust, suspension pieces, duckbill etc.

LOL! Mike u are a moron if u think i have $10k in my car. THEN on top of it you wanna bring up the things on my chassis, that can be argued to anyone elses builds. Example, if h22jones says it only cost him $2000 for everything in his dads car, then i'm not gonna come and say "well thats $2k, now add in the cost of the car itself, plus the wheels, plus this and plus that". Shit mike if that were the case then YES i do have a $10k civic! The car itself cost me $3500 back in 2003! add $400 for rims(from discounttiredirect.com) rougly $4-500 for tires, what was it mike jones, i gave u what $1-200 for the carbon fiber hatch and $150 i think for the duckbill spoiler???, now for the $250 fiber glass hood and add $6-700 S2 suspension etc etc etc...... so u do the math! i have other parts on it as well to add on!

We're not talking about the TOTAL cost of the car and exterior/interior parts with the motor, we are talking about k swap/part prices in 2011! PERIOD! I'm so sorry you think i spent $10k for my k setup

[112480]

agree with 99% of this. only thing i dont agree on is you dont "need" an aftermarket radiator i believe karcepts has a kit where you can just mount your half sized radiator on the other side. K is more expensive but ALL MOTOR it dominates B and H. fastest h2b on the east coast is randy running 10.5 in a street car he is out of MD while all the K cars in his class are running 10.2-10.3's. K series is just a superior motor when it comes to all motor but you have to pay to play. mosley and some other guy (srry cant remember your screen name lol) stated it earlier which is if these h2b's and B's around here would go up north they would get devoured by K's which is true.

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Oh and keep us posted on ur new and upcoming k24/20 build in 2012

[112480]

I figured it up we have 6,000 in my dads car thats swap car and all. Gregg i have also drove to many track events swapped slicks raced and drove home. That motor was build going on four years ago , over 30,000 miles and has had three different heads with two different sets of cams ( making more power each time). It still pulls the same vacuum as it did the day it was built so dont preach to me about dependability . I like mosely car and i take nothing away from it but i promise you it is no more dependable then mine . Hell i just drove it 2.5 hours put it on the dyno and turned around and drove it home . Stop hanging on moselys k series nuts and prove something yourself . Mosely has ran a 12.2 in the quarter while ive ran a 12.3 . The difference i bet money my car weighs at least 300 pounds more then his if not 400. Mosely it weighs 2,480 pounds with me in it if you want to compare lol.

David thats right i dont stripp my cars and its not a price you have to pay just most do . Sure the si would go faster 300 pounds lighter but then again it would go faster with a h2b kit .

Mosely dont chime in you done gave away the answer but im sure he still want get . Gregg if you can tell me the one reason ( and yes there is only one reason ) the k series will dominate when taken to a certain level ill give you one rep. My bet is you dont even know why your motor is superior lol.

Gregg since you posted it show me this trail of k series street cars (all motor) that run nines and drive home ? Dont happen only in your dreams . The damn pepsie car is running the fastest times in the street car class and its a sponsered car made for the track . If has broke nines its barely and last time i checked it hasnt. I try to teach you something but you stay in your 400hp k series dream world lmao. The simple fact is at our level of racing even the b series can compete because nobody has taken it to another level and that has been proven by disko monkey . Now he can only get so light and only rev so high . Id love to see that car make a high ten second pass but i dont see and i also dont see it staying together. You just cant rev a motor to 10,000 and drive it everyday it will not stay together not even the almighty k.

Honestly there is no more money in my new motor as the motor in my dads si hatch just a different combination of parts. Lets see crower h23 rods cost the same as crower f23 rods but i got more stroke . Hell you can actually get pro 3 cams cheaper then pro 2 cams like i said motors cost the same thing just different combination of parts.

For mike well i got a 4.9 diff ,with a b16 1st 2nd and 3rd gear ,gsr 4 ,ls 5 lol all carbon syncros with lsd. I got a tranny for your ass hell i built my tranny for i ever bought parts for my motor lol.

Um mike, i didnt say UR car cant drive to an event and drive home did I??? Please show me if i did and i said there ARE NOT many(very few) k guys here in Ga/AL to show other wise at the track. So ur little fit about me proving you wrong doesnt matter cause if you fell that confident, why dont we take a trip up to NY/NJ to one of their track events next year! I WILL PAY FOR YOUR GAS GOING UP THERE! Put ur dads,ur car or any other h2b build you've done and race those K guys and lets see how many wins u'll get!!

I bet u here and now. if u can win 3 out of 10 races with them I'll give you $300(100 per race). Until then, i dont want to hear it. I basically was saying down here in the south the B and H's, appear/are superior becuase the lack of K cars! So dont damn tell people that ur h2b builds are mroe superior because you dont have a nice stream line of k cars you've raced to base that opinion off of! In that case i can bring up countless of youtube vids with k breaking allmotor records all day long. Show me the h2b vids at the track or on the street of h2b beating not 1 or 2 or 3 but countless number of k cars. Exactly! u wont find it!

And what 400whp dream world do u speak of?? Last time i checked it was done(380-400) by a few race teams now. Wheres the 400whp h2b???????? Yes i said race teams. on the street with the average person 350whp can be acheived with no problem, but lets see....when was the last time we saw a 300whp h2b floating around.......thinking.....thinking................ .............thinging.............oh thats right WE HAVENT! Stop confusing ur 300whp h2b world with reality jones!

Now ur tranny(4.9fd with b16 1st,2nd,3rd,gsr4,ls5th) sounds stout man. but when we race i dont wanna hear no "i gotta stop at 100 bullshit!" 40-120!!

Oh and if u were faster than Moseley then i would be swinging on ur nuts instead of his

[112480]

There is no way no matter what gregg says that he has less then 10,000 in his car and id beat more like 15,000. If the parts wasnt exspensive enough dropping it off at a shop and paying to have the motor built and installed im sure ends up between 2,000-3,000 not that i own a shop or anything .

WRONG!!!!! I bet you $500 that i dont have $10k in the motor or the build! once again NOT talking about the car and exterior/interior parts that could be argued with any car/make or model!

[112480]

Kills forum is dead as hell and i get a 5 page thread going in one day with no reps lol. Were is my rep gregg you know you love me lol.

rep given

Mosely your right stock to stock a k motor will handle alot more then a h series ,the pistons suck . We did spray a 75 shot on one for a couple years running 12.7 and stayed together fine . If i was in your shoes hell i would be k to but im not so i have to do what i do lol. I dont have the time or the cash gregg has obviously.

umm Mike, I'm broker than u so what the hell are you talking about????:confused:

[112480]

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

Damn telling you....i rather show you

[112480]

I intentionally did not add in labor costs, just like no one added the labor costs in for doing a k-swap. We all know that labor adds up, but it sure seems like the k swap would take more, as there are more items to change.

Exactly david! But when i point out REALISTIC k swap/part prices for everyone on K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM, guys like vteckidd and h22jones will go to the labor cost and such becuase they simply can not stand for someone to prove them wrong. they ALWAYS have to be right.lol

[Vteckidd]

no offense mike but I'm a little skeptical of this 300whp number. making 300whp requires a certain amount of wtq at a certain rpm. so take your pick:

I hate to say "I TOLD YOU SO" but remember when i said something a few months ago and all the midnight guys jumped all over me. it was something like

No B Series makes over 250
No H Series makes over 270

K series are making over 300 in simple builds.

There are maybe 10 or less motors that have eclipsed the 300whp mark in a B Series in the history of their engines. There are maybe 10-20 cars making that power with an H Series.

There are probably 100+ making over 300 with a K Series.

Look at the local cars. Matt making over 300whp, Gregg was knocking on 300whp (no pun intended), Midnight claims over 300 or right next to it. There isnt a B Series in GA right now that can prove they make over 230. There isnt an H making over Jones 252, and i would venture to say besides his there prob isnt one making over 240.

Speaking of 250whp B Series, its september, wheres that motor at? still waiting on a clutch

[Vteckidd]

300whp should be able to be done with a 89x97mm pro 3 setup

When the highest whp setup locally is 252, thats dreaming. Hit 270, 280, 290 before you talk about 50WHP gains from stroke and cams. No offense but i dont see that happeneing any time soon i dont give a shit what some guy on HT made

[Vteckidd]

Whoa whoa hell whoa! mike. First off PLEASE stop bringing up hmotorsonline.com! $4k for a type s swap???!!! Seriously?????!! James got the smae k20z1 swap right now at mainstream for $2000!!! Once again STOOOOP giving people these 2004 prices. I had just typed a LONG page describing all your false prices above but my computer messed up at the time and did not post it so i'm gonna sum it up for you.

Ok ill bet you $100, call all the shops in atlanta and get a quote for a K20 install into your 92-95 Civic. I GUARANTEE it is over $6000, WELL OVER $6000. Hmotorsonline isnt 2004 prices, i got that link LAST NIGHT. So youre telling every person to just go search on clubrsx or k20 and buy a used engine from someone they dont know? Sounds shitty to me. James has had that k20Z for awhile, wasnt that a LONGBLOCK too? not a complete swap. And wasnt it damaged? Regardless doesnt matter, the price for a swap is minimum $3200-4200 for a FULL COMPLETE k20A2 i dont care what it is in Gregg LA LA land

Gregg stop lieing, i KNOW what you spent on your D series just to blow it to the moon and back, where did all that lost money go? I guarantee if you post your receipts from mainstream for the D Series build, the K series build, then the K Series REBUILD, its WELL OVER $10,000, not counting the car, not counting the parts you have that you installed yourself. Quit dreaming.

At this point ill chalk it up to youre full of shit and blantantly lieing. I dont care how many "DEALS" you can get, parts cost money. That C+R radiator wasnt free. You also paid labor unless mainstream is in the business of giving stuff away for free.

So greg, how much do you claim you spent? i want to hear an honest answer, put a $ figure on your K Swap/build. I want to hear another lie.

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300whp should be able to be done with a 89x97mm pro 3 setup

Oh really joey? then why matt(05dc5s) is making 290whp pump gas(for now) with a 89x99mm? his motor is well built with OFF THE SHELF parts and still didnt crack 300whp(for now) so what makes u think a 89x97mm pro3 setup will?? In that case, why build a k when u can make 300whp on a h2b? understand joey, i'm not saying it isnt possible. of course it is! But i rather have a off the self 300whp K with the potential to make A LOT more power and still be a DD then have a 300whp h2b that is realistically NOT a DD. Yes u CAN DD a 300whp h2b but the reality is ur not going too!

Joey did mike jones ever tell you what i told him the guy with the h2b down here in Mobile that runs 12.2/12.3 at ISD said??? About 3 weeks ago when we were at the 1/8 mile track in Irvington,AL his car messed up. He said he thinks he burned up some valves and said his car kept running lean as hell all night long. why did he keep running? i dont know. but he said the next day he will take the motor out and put in higher com pistion(just 11:5 i think) and pro 3's vs his blox whatever. but its funny what he told me and you can ask him yourself when u see him in Nov at ISD.

He told me that when he HAD AN H TRANS ON HIS SETUP HIS CAR MADE 238WHP. And when he put the B16 TRANS ON IT MADE 228WHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now why would he lie to me about it?? Ask him for urself if you dont believe me. He was serious. he wasnt trying to downplay his car or anything but when i told him about mikejones claims of 300whp with pro3's and head work etc etc , he even said "no way"!! Matter of fact when i told him that, thats when he told me he made 238 on the H trans and 228 on the B16 trans. NOW!, he DID say that even though he made 10whp LESS on the b16 trans, his car got a FULL sec FASTER at the track just by putting the b16 trans on but as far as power, it set him back 10whp

Now joey his car is still fast!....matter of fact i think i'll go by TDC today and talk to him to see whats up with his car.

[Vteckidd]

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Stop jocking race cars, lets stick to YOUR car. you have a fully built k24 with cams, rods, pistons, etc and barely make 280 right? Didnt it dyno less after you fixed the camshaft issue?

Just cause you cheap out on stuff and have had massive problems with any of your builds, just goes to show that people SHOULDNT take your advice.

no offense

[Vteckidd]

WRONG!!!!! I bet you $500 that i dont have $10k in the motor or the build! once again NOT talking about the car and exterior/interior parts that could be argued with any car/make or model!

youll just claim you sold other parts from your D series that negate the cost of the K parts, when thats another lie because the D parts werent free. COst is Cost.

You can settle this by posting the receipts from Mainstream for the original build, and the rebuild. Then you can post what you paid for the parts themselves. The go Pwr cams, the header, the block, the rods, the pistons, the head work, the head, the valvetrain, the axles, the mounts, the kpro, the fuel system, etc.

I guarantee (UNLESS MAINSTREAM DID YOUR WORK FOR FREE) its well over $6000

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Ok ill bet you $100, call all the shops in atlanta and get a quote for a K20 install into your 92-95 Civic. I GUARANTEE it is over $6000, WELL OVER $6000. Hmotorsonline isnt 2004 prices, i got that link LAST NIGHT. So youre telling every person to just go search on clubrsx or k20 and buy a used engine from someone they dont know? Sounds shitty to me. James has had that k20Z for awhile, wasnt that a LONGBLOCK too? not a complete swap. And wasnt it damaged? Regardless doesnt matter, the price for a swap is minimum $3200-4200 for a FULL COMPLETE k20A2 i dont care what it is in Gregg LA LA land

Gregg stop lieing, i KNOW what you spent on your D series just to blow it to the moon and back, where did all that lost money go? I guarantee if you post your receipts from mainstream for the D Series build, the K series build, then the K Series REBUILD, its WELL OVER $10,000, not counting the car, not counting the parts you have that you installed yourself. Quit dreaming.

At this point ill chalk it up to youre full of shit and blantantly lieing. I dont care how many "DEALS" you can get, parts cost money. That C+R radiator wasnt free. You also paid labor unless mainstream is in the business of giving stuff away for free.

So greg, how much do you claim you spent? i want to hear an honest answer, put a $ figure on your K Swap/build. I want to hear another lie.

What the hell are you smoking mike? seriously? lies? your the only one giving DELUSIONS OUT TO PEOPLE!. We're not talking about my D series build or k rebuild(which was just an oil pump and cams, hardly a full rebuild) we're talking about how much it is to get or build a STOCK k series!! What shops are you referring to that charges $6000 for the swap in a eg???????????????????? Yea if u DROP YOUR DAMN CAR OFF AND HAVE THEM DO EVERYTHING!? But mike i ask you, who in 2011 really does that shit anymore!!!???? Seriously! So stop with ur bullshit please. Its very insulting to the people who cant read between YOUR false price infos and delusions! And like i said b4 i'm not giving my prices because it makes no sense to b/c 1. it'll just be something for you to feed off of and call bullshit when you dont know wht hell you're talking about and 2. They might not be able to get it for the price i got mine for.

Remember the Ls/Vtec parts i had when i was gonna do allmotor ls/V? surely you dont think i paid $2000 for those parts? i.e head/trans/block etc etc.....i traded on that shit(through patience) for the corresponding k parts! So i didnt pay shit for my head/block(which was the whole k24a1 motor btw) and trans and other parts as well. shit i didnt start paying for SWAP parts till in the middle of my parts list, all from CHEAP B series parts. So you can save all those B.S stories your telling everyone. Its funny how you are always so quick to tell everyone how much my reciepts said on my D series turbo build, but once again we are talking about K series swaps and parts NOT D,B or H series. Stay focues mike, stay focus and quit with the lies ok.

I put the facts out there....its called K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM where i go all my parts from!! used and some new! So anyone else new reading all of this can go to those site in the "For Sale" section and get the swap/parts u need to do ur k motor Dont listen to mike B.S.....see for yourself!!

[Vteckidd]

Exactly david! But when i point out REALISTIC k swap/part prices for everyone on K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM, guys like vteckidd and h22jones will go to the labor cost and such becuase they simply can not stand for someone to prove them wrong. they ALWAYS have to be right.lol

I gues the difference is i prefer to use new parts vs hunting down EP3 8 year old idler pullies and rigging stuff together just so i can say i have a Kswap. I never said you couldnt find deals or do things on the cheap, but im sorry your flat out wrong that a K Series costs so much cheaper. its simply NOT TRUE and anyone that does one in their car knows that, except you. You dont want to admit how much money you have purely because of EGO. Because you got beat by a 2.0, because you dont make within 20whp of Matts car, etc. Youre all talk gregg you always have been.

This is just more of the same from you. YAP YAP YAP LIE LIE LIE

tell you what, answer 3 questions:

1) How much money do YOU CLAIM you ahve in your K Series build. The initial swap and parts plus the rebuild (list labor, and we can factor that out but i just want to know)

2) How much would you tell a kid at a meet it COSTS to do a K Series swap in their 95 EG

3) Would you do the swap for him for that price

Thanks

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Stop jocking race cars, lets stick to YOUR car. you have a fully built k24 with cams, rods, pistons, etc and barely make 280 right? Didnt it dyno less after you fixed the camshaft issue?

Just cause you cheap out on stuff and have had massive problems with any of your builds, just goes to show that people SHOULDNT take your advice.

no offense

LOL i havent cheaped out with anything besides the header i got from you and i just put the same profile cam on it for now so its making the same power....for now And who jocking race teams? So to make 300whp on a K requires a race team??? LOL! Yea ur defiently smoking that good shit this morning. LOL!!! And what "advice" do u speak of??? The fact that i told everyone to go to K20A.ORG OR CLUBRSX.COM AN SEE FOR THEMSELVES????

So tell me mike how is that bad advice??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really i want to hear how me telling people to go to those sites and see for themselves is bad advice????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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youll just claim you sold other parts from your D series that negate the cost of the K parts, when thats another lie because the D parts werent free. COst is Cost.

You can settle this by posting the receipts from Mainstream for the original build, and the rebuild. Then you can post what you paid for the parts themselves. The go Pwr cams, the header, the block, the rods, the pistons, the head work, the head, the valvetrain, the axles, the mounts, the kpro, the fuel system, etc.

I guarantee (UNLESS MAINSTREAM DID YOUR WORK FOR FREE) its well over $6000

Wrong again on the labor cost! and i dont have to post my receipts to settle anything. lol. i have my car sitting in my driveway running so why do i have to "prove" anything wih receipts? lol! As long as poeple go to K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM and see for themselves, thats all that matters

[Vteckidd]

And like i said b4 i'm not giving my prices because it makes no sense

Figured. So easy to argue when you dont have to back anything up

Its funny how you are always so quick to tell everyone how much my reciepts said on my D series turbo build, but once again we are talking about K series swaps and parts NOT D,B or H series. Stay focues mike, stay focus and quit with the lies ok.

Wanna know whats funny, remember the guy you bought "my" header from for your B Series ls vtec. That was my roomate i sent out to sell it because you wouldnt buy it from me cause you had some beef with me at the time. His name is Jason, Mike Jones knows him and knows about the transaction. Funny thing is he sold it to you for $300, then you said to me few months later when we were on speaking terms you paid $200 for it from some guy on the forums. Never told you that, but its just an example of you bullshitting.

Im smarter than that gregg :P

I put the facts out there....its called K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM where i go all my parts from!! used and some new! So anyone else new reading all of this can go to those site in the "For Sale" section and get the swap/parts u need to do ur k motor Dont listen to mike B.S.....see for yourself!!

your facts are distorted and only based on LUCK assuming that someone can find deals on an online forum, not get scammed, and hopefully its available at the time. Thats not the way people run businesses.

if u DROP YOUR DAMN CAR OFF AND HAVE THEM DO EVERYTHING!? But mike i ask you, who in 2011 really does that shit anymore!!!????

UH, HOW ABOUT YOU! Thats EXACTLY what you did with your D and your K LOL YOu dropped your SHELL off, waited 2 years or more, gave mainstream a box of parts and said "build it". I dont know of any other shop that would let you store your car for 2 years for free.

I wont argue this anymore, its obvious you have no clue what youre talking about

[Vteckidd]

So tell me mike how is that bad advice??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really i want to hear how me telling people to go to those sites and see for themselves is bad advice????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im just saying YOUR advice got you a car that makes sub power comapred to other K24s in GA, and it blew up and had issues.

So i wouldnt go your route

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You can settle this by posting the receipts from Mainstream for the original build, and the rebuild. Then you can post what you paid for the parts themselves. The go Pwr cams, the header, the block, the rods, the pistons, the head work, the head, the valvetrain, the axles, the mounts, the kpro, the fuel system, etc.

Well lets see... how much did you sell ur kiddracing header to me for??? Like i told you b4, the block didnt cost me anything(and if i were paying the guy cash for it, he said he'll take $150, if u must know), the rods were a present from my fiance, didnt pay for the FULLY ASSEMBLED head, told u my k-pro was $650, told u my mounts were $350shipped brand new, fuel system i got for $175shipped(full sysytem, i.e SS lines,Aeromotive FPR, fuel rail etc etc). Stock head by the way with a "clean up port job", doesnt even compare to matt ported head in the slightest!, pistions and even rods dont count in this euqtion because we were talking about a STOCK kswap or STOCK k24/k20 build which my k24a1 block came fully assembled. And everyone knows piston are between $4-500(unless u can get a better deal on them) but again now ur talking about BUILDING a k motor when we were originally talking about a STOCK swap or stock k24/k20 build and as usual u try to find a way to push the subject of a STOCK k motor into what i or someone else paid for a BUILT motor.

Typical mike, but u should know by now that u dont get me with ur antics. After i've showed my point(i.e GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM in the for sale section) and ur STILL trying to argue, i'll just ignore whatever you say about the particular subject and just let you say whatever little mikey fells like saying

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im just saying YOUR advice got you a car that makes sub power comapred to other K24s in GA, and it blew up and had issues.

So i wouldnt go your route

Again what advice??? K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM advice??? Blew up? I just had oil pump failure cause i used a USED oil pump. lesson learned and sub power to other k24's in GA. LMAO!!!!!!!!!! If(which u are) referring to Matt's and midnights car, once again you dont have a clue what ur talking about! Their Cars are more built than mine in regards to the parts the have vs mine. Did you know Moseley cams are BIGGER than mine? LOL! I have a LOT of room for improvement! Theres is allmotor purpose built, i'm doing both for allmotor and boost. I didnt mak 300whp on the parts i've chossen and its ok, ESPEACIALLY when comparing my build to matts or midnights so once again mikey u fail at knowing what ur talking about

[Vteckidd]

Well lets see... how much did you sell ur kiddracing header to me for???

I think it was $250-280

Like i told you b4, the block didnt cost me anything(and if i were paying the guy cash for it, he said he'll take $150, if u must know)

Sweet K24 blocks are FREE! didnt know that.

, the rods were a present from my fiance,

Need to get me one of those! im sure everyone can count on that.

didnt pay for the FULLY ASSEMBLED head

Fully assembled K20 heads are free too? Fuckin a where have i been!

, told u my k-pro was $650

$150 below Hondata MAP which would get that guy dropped as a distributor FYI. Kpro is USUALLY $750-800 IF YOU HAVE THE ECU, $900-1000 if you dont.

, told u my mounts were $350shipped brand new, fuel system i got for $175shipped(full sysytem, i.e SS lines,Aeromotive FPR, fuel rail etc etc).

Stock head by the way with a "clean up port job", doesnt even compare to matt ported head in the slightest!,

That im sure charles didnt do for free, and IIRC you paid Turbo Dave $500 or gave him $500 in parts that he did nothing for you with. If charles did do it for free, im sure no one else will get that deal. It still costs SOMETHING.

pistions and even rods dont count in this euqtion because we were talking about a STOCK kswap or STOCK k24/k20 build which my k24a1 block came fully assembled.

So your K24 block came fully assembled with the rods and pistons? Funny how i saw your block BARE and charles kept saying "waiting on gregg to finish getting parts so i can assemble the motor". ANd yes its relevant im trying to show how you dont know how to add.

You do realize i told you about a stock K Swap and YOU SAID how cheap it was to buy a block, a head, etc. So i suppose the argument only works for you.

And everyone knows piston are between $4-500(unless u can get a better deal on them)

correct

but again now ur talking about BUILDING a k motor when we were originally talking about a STOCK swap or stock k24/k20 build and as usual u try to find a way to push the subject of a STOCK k motor into what i or someone else paid for a BUILT motor.

I showed you a K20A2 swap for $4000, you havent shown me anything that shows it cheaper.

Typical mike, but u should know by now that u dont get me with ur antics. After i've showed my point(i.e GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM in the for sale section) and ur STILL trying to argue, i'll just ignore whatever you say about the particular subject and just let you say whatever little mikey fells like saying

youre point is retarded, and makes no sense.

So i guess your advice is "yo dawg get you a fiance to buy you parts, get free k20 headz assembled, and free labor, you gots a K SWAP NOW!!"

remember to type in all caps and in bold, and to put some gay quotation in your signature.

good day sir

[Vteckidd]

LOL! I have a LOT of room for improvement! Theres is allmotor purpose built, i'm doing both for allmotor and boost. I didnt mak 300whp on the parts i've chossen and its ok, ESPEACIALLY when comparing my build to matts or midnights so once again mikey u fail at knowing what ur talking about

do i need to go dig up all your posts were you were claiming 280-300whp months ago before the car was done. And we all told you you were bench racing?

you built this MONSTER ALL MOTOR K24 that you wouldnt stop running your mouth about, and its gotten beat by a 2.0l K20A, and makes sub 280whp now (i know what it makes i saw the dyno after your car broke).

You used a USED OIL PUMP on a built motor LOLOL

proves my point, you dont know what youre doing, and skimping on parts is what youre about, not building a car thats worth anything.

Mike 1

Gregg -102903839

[1civic]

So much beef in here!!!

carry on!

[Vteckidd]

no beef, just asking him to put his money where his mouth is. If hes so confident post youre receipts. I can factor out labor, but i want to see what he spent.

I want to hear what he THINKS he has in his car vs what he has in it. And im only talking about the K Series build hes done. Im not even talking about the $7000-8000 Turbo D Series that ran for 2 months that he spent before.

Gregg has AT LEAST $10,000 in his car, id even wager its $15,000 but we will never know the truth.