K series guys ( well mainly gregg lol)

[DarKStaR]

thats if you have to buy everything, if you already have most parts like trans,exhaust, and can get a better deal on motor and h2b kit(i paid 500 for mine) you wont spend near that. MOST people just go off what they already have instead of selling everything and buying another car they have no clue about and end up spending more money.

[112480]

David i did answer ur question, j didnt give u exact NUMBERS and mainly becauseit varies. i can sit here all day long and say it cost about $8-10k to drop a k motor in a hatch or integra etc etc, but that was the cost 4 years ago and with ALL brand new BIG name parts. Today man, everyone cost is so different its hard to give u an "average" price on things.

Thats all i was saying.

[112480]

thats if you have to buy everything, if you already have most parts like trans,exhaust, and can get a better deal on motor and h2b kit(i paid 500 for mine) you wont spend near that. MOST people just go off what they already have instead of selling everything and buying another car they have no clue about and end up spending more money.

^^exactly^^^^ So u see david its not that simple as saying "it cost $2500 to do this" it really all depends. And like i said before, with some ppl its just a matter of preference. I mean how hard is it to make a foxbody do 11's??? I would imagine, its pretty damn EASY! That shit is no challange! But ahhhhh...... to get a grocery cart do 11's(espeacially allmotor) and still get 30-40MPG and will ALWAYS be the UNDERDOG in pretty much any race(outside of racing other grocery carts) they have, now THATS A DAMN CHALLENGE!!

[David88vert]

^^exactly^^^^ So u see david its not that simple as saying "it cost $2500 to do this" it really all depends. And like i said before, with some ppl its just a matter of preference. I mean how hard is it to make a foxbody do 11's??? I would imagine, its pretty damn EASY! That shit is no challange! But ahhhhh...... to get a grocery cart do 11's(espeacially allmotor) and still get 30-40MPG and will ALWAYS be the UNDERDOG in pretty much any race(outside of racing other grocery carts) they have, now THATS A DAMN CHALLENGE!!

I can state that $2500 will give a stock foxbody 350rwhp all motor. It is simple.
Most foxbodys that go that route bolt on an exhaust, some tires, and cheange the rear gear. Most of them run 11's with full weight and interior.
If you take a foxbody that already has some mods, as in the Honda example above (where you reuse parts that you already have), you are looking at foxbodys that run 10's.
Now, why would a performance vehicle worry about mileage, unless they are competing in a class that limits the fuel consumption. I don't think that Honda all-motor drag classes have a limit on fuel consumption or mpg.

[boosted347]

I can state that $2500 will give a stock foxbody 350rwhp all motor. It is simple.
Most foxbodys that go that route bolt on an exhaust, some tires, and cheange the rear gear. Most of them run 11's with full weight and interior.
If you take a foxbody that already has some mods, as in the Honda example above (where you reuse parts that you already have), you are looking at foxbodys that run 10's.
Now, why would a performance vehicle worry about mileage, unless they are competing in a class that limits the fuel consumption. I don't think that Honda all-motor drag classes have a limit on fuel consumption or mpg.

QFT but hey some people like 4 cylinders...not my cup of tea

[112480]

QFT but hey some people like 4 cylinders...not my cup of tea

would you pefer everone to have mustangs?? Thousands and thousands of mustangs???

[Moseley]

I can state that $2500 will give a stock foxbody 350rwhp all motor. It is simple.
Most foxbodys that go that route bolt on an exhaust, some tires, and cheange the rear gear. Most of them run 11's with full weight and interior.
If you take a foxbody that already has some mods, as in the Honda example above (where you reuse parts that you already have), you are looking at foxbodys that run 10's.
Now, why would a performance vehicle worry about mileage, unless they are competing in a class that limits the fuel consumption. I don't think that Honda all-motor drag classes have a limit on fuel consumption or mpg.

Typical assertions that make me LOL.

just because you know how to doesn't mean everyone does. I can't count how many REAL foxbodies I've seen here in GA at commerce with 5k+ dumped into them and they cant get out of the 13.5-14.0 range. It's always been that way. 90% of the people don't know the formula, 10% do.

[112480]

Typical assertions that make me LOL.

just because you know how to doesn't mean everyone does. I can't count how many REAL foxbodies I've seen here in GA at commerce with 5k+ dumped into them and they cant get out of the 13.5-14.0 range. It's always been that way. 90% of the people don't know the formula, 10% do.

And usually the 10% dont have the financial means that the 90% do to make thier build a reality

[boosted347]

Typical assertions that make me LOL.

just because you know how to doesn't mean everyone does. I can't count how many REAL foxbodies I've seen here in GA at commerce with 5k+ dumped into them and they cant get out of the 13.5-14.0 range. It's always been that way. 90% of the people don't know the formula, 10% do.

Ha this is true but also goes the other way, you and some others on here know there shit but most people in the honda game dont...its a never ending debate...i know people with boosted civics that cant break a 13.9 and all motor cars with a good bit of money in em that couldnt break 14.0s its all a matter of setup when it comes to drag racing...now roll racing is different lol

[Moseley]

Not to mention you have...

coil packs
timing chain
variable cam
roller rockers
full and proper block girdle

about a dozen different tranny choices

all OEM

[David88vert]

Typical assertions that make me LOL.

just because you know how to doesn't mean everyone does. I can't count how many REAL foxbodies I've seen here in GA at commerce with 5k+ dumped into them and they cant get out of the 13.5-14.0 range. It's always been that way. 90% of the people don't know the formula, 10% do.

I can't count how many foxbodies run 9's or better, but I can count how many Honda's do (I count on my fingers).

You can get a really clean, full weight foxbody for $6K that already has a H/C/I, and all you need to do is bolt on slicks, and go 11s with ease. Not a gutted, non-AC economy car.
I know one guy who just changed his rear gear, added slick and spray on his coupe, left everything stock, and was running 11.60s at SDR and Commerce just a few months ago. Granted, the tranny will fail sometime in the near future, but for $3K total in it (buying the car, and adding spray and slicks), he ran 12.9 on just motor.

BTW - my car has a lot more than $5K in it, and it's a slow car. I didn't worry about the cost, and I do understand that there are those that like the 4cyl Civics, and just want to build them. I'm not saying not to, just saying that it is not a cheap option. I do find it funny how they start talking about saving gas by getting better mpg, when they spent all they saved on building the car.

[boosted347]

So 5-8is a rough estimate now days there question answered lol

[112480]

So 5-8is a rough estimate now days there question answered lol

on what setup?

[boosted347]

A full k swap, if it was 8-10 4 years ago depreciation would put it in this range, thats all new parts minus the engine, not buying used mounts, header, etc...am I close or way off lol
What david means is that for the money it makes no sense to go that route cause buying used parts you can make more power/go faster by other means...but to me its to each their own its what makes the car scene interesting, of everyone had a mustang or camaro it would be boring lol

[DarKStaR]

its all about preference, thats why we are all in this sport. What fun would it be if everyone had the same car? I mean dont get me wrong I have much respect for ANYTHING fast even if its a pinto.

[boosted347]

its all about preference, thats why we are all in this sport. What fun would it be if everyone had the same car? I mean dont get me wrong I have much respect for ANYTHING fast even if its a pinto.

I prefer a sbc gremlin lol

[112480]

I prefer a sbc gremlin lol

In dream land, i perfer a 08' Gallardo built by UGR with thier stg 4 package and challange any, ANY car or BIKE to a race on the street. lol!

[boosted347]

In dream land, i perfer a 08' Gallardo built by UGR with thier stg 4 package and challange any, ANY car to a race on the street. lol!

Ill take this one...400+ whp busa getting reeled in at 200+

[112480]

Ill take this one...400+ whp busa getting reeled in at 200+

LOL! WOW! Just wow! UGR FTMFW!!!!! Listen to that fucking sound of the lambo!!!!

[David88vert]

its all about preference, thats why we are all in this sport. What fun would it be if everyone had the same car? I mean dont get me wrong I have much respect for ANYTHING fast even if its a pinto.

Oh, I agree with this.

[112480]

And mike i was being honest about me and moseley k swap not costing that much. but it semms that you have always been mad at that fact. I didnt say ALL k builds are cheap but not ALL of them are expensive either.

[Vteckidd]

And mike i was being honest about me and moseley k swap not costing that much. but it semms that you have always been mad at that fact. I didnt say ALL k builds are cheap but not ALL of them are expensive either.

not mad at all, i own a J32 i have moved on from the 4 cylinders so i have no dog in this fight :P

Im pointing out the inconsistencies in your statements. The facts of the matter are that you have at LEAST $6000+ in your car, whether you will admit it or not. I dont care what stories you will tell about how you sold this or traded sexual favors for that etc etc etc

FACTS ARE FACTS. Just because you bought a $1200 tranny for $200 doesnt mean ALL $1200 trannys are $200. If they were, THEYD BE $200.

I dont know how much LUIS put into his car as he was the original owner, and im sure Mose got a good deal on it when he acquired it. Doesnt matter. A k20R motor costs XXXX and a K20 "R" tranny costs XXXX, and a SSR header costs XXXX, Krpo costs XXXX etc.

So when talking to people and trying to explain the cost of something, you should give the AVERAGE numbers that a consumer should expect to pay. you dont do that, you act like its cheap just because you found some magical junk yard with cheap prices.

Just because i bought a 92 Civic Hatch for $300 once doesnt mean all 92 civic EGs are worth $300. Stop pretending they are

[Vteckidd]

My point is that MOST cars on the road arent modded. Most cars are stock, or lightly modded (exhaust, intake). So, if someone thinks a 12 second Honda is "SLOW" , all im saying is that there are FEW cars on the road that will beat it. Its fast enough to hang with any of the cars l listed. or scare them (IE be .5-1 car to their back bumper).

[112480]

Mike you can contact Madman7887 on k20a.org and he will sell you a k-pro for $800shipped all day long, not $1000. hell i got mine from him a WHILE ago for $650shipped cause i turned him onto another guy who wanted one. And u can get k24 blocks for $200-400 now. Hell my buddy lamar(91s13) got his whole k24a1 motor for $150!!. drop a $5-600(fully assembled) k20a2 head on there plus a $600 type s trans and there u go. for the motor and trans ur looking at $1600 AT THE MOST!, for lamar it would be $1250 at the MOST, then add $7-800 for k-pro! etc etc etc. I got brand new Hybrid mounts retailed at $500+shipping for $300shipped from P2R because they were getting rid of some stuff. You find deals like that ALL the time!

So please mike, stop telling these guys false information on the price of k series parts in 2011! I keep telling you this is NOT 2004 anymore where a k swap cost u $10k to put into a 92 eg hatch!

[Vteckidd]

Mike you can contact Madman7887 on k20a.org and he will sell you a k-pro for $800shipped all day long, not $1000. hell i got mine from him a WHILE ago for $650shipped cause i turned him onto another guy who wanted one. And u can get k24 blocks for $200-400 now. Hell my buddy lamar(91s13) got his whole k24a1 motor for $150!!. drop a $5-600(fully assembled) k20a2 head on there plus a $600 type s trans and there u go. for the motor and trans ur looking at $1600 AT THE MOST!, for lamar it would be $1250 at the MOST, then add $7-800 for k-pro! etc etc etc. I got brand new Hybrid mounts retailed at $500+shipping for $300shipped from P2R because they were getting rid of some stuff. You find deals like that ALL the time!

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.

So please mike, stop telling these guys false information on the price of k series parts in 2011! I keep telling you this is NOT 2004 anymore where a k swap cost u $10k to put into a 92 eg hatch!

never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

[Black4DrEK]

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.




never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

OUCH... I was gonna say He missed out alot of parts... .HAHA

[h22 jones]

david i build hondas for one reason because thats what i work on and i run across parts for nothing and i mean nothing . If it wasnt for that i wouldnt build a car at all . hell when i say we got 6,000 in my dads whole car thats just putting a cash figure on it . After trading and swapping ive actually made money off that car and have it for free but like mike said im trying to put a reality figure on it . There is no way no matter what gregg says that he has less then 10,000 in his car and id beat more like 15,000. If the parts wasnt exspensive enough dropping it off at a shop and paying to have the motor built and installed im sure ends up between 2,000-3,000 not that i own a shop or anything .

[David88vert]

david i build hondas for one reason because thats what i work on and i run across parts for nothing and i mean nothing .

And that makes all the difference. I would do the same in your shoes.

[112480]

There is no way no matter what gregg says that he has less then 10,000 in his car and id beat more like 15,000. If the parts wasnt exspensive enough dropping it off at a shop and paying to have the motor built and installed im sure ends up between 2,000-3,000 not that i own a shop or anything .

WRONG!!!!! I bet you $500 that i dont have $10k in the motor or the build! once again NOT talking about the car and exterior/interior parts that could be argued with any car/make or model!

[h22 jones]

Kills forum is dead as hell and i get a 5 page thread going in one day with no reps lol. Were is my rep gregg you know you love me lol.

Mike if i didnt have so damn many performance parts laying around my dad has been begging me to see how much we can make on a stock h23 motor. I think all stock internals including stock cams i cna make 250 not saying why but it can be done with ease.

Mosely your right stock to stock a k motor will handle alot more then a h series ,the pistons suck . We did spray a 75 shot on one for a couple years running 12.7 and stayed together fine . If i was in your shoes hell i would be k to but im not so i have to do what i do lol. I dont have the time or the cash gregg has obviously.

[112480]

Kills forum is dead as hell and i get a 5 page thread going in one day with no reps lol. Were is my rep gregg you know you love me lol.

rep given

Mosely your right stock to stock a k motor will handle alot more then a h series ,the pistons suck . We did spray a 75 shot on one for a couple years running 12.7 and stayed together fine . If i was in your shoes hell i would be k to but im not so i have to do what i do lol. I dont have the time or the cash gregg has obviously.

umm Mike, I'm broker than u so what the hell are you talking about????:confused:

[k_killaGSR]

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.




never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

you dont "need" an aftermarket radiator i believe karcepts has a kit where you can just mount your half sized radiator on the other side. K is more expensive but ALL MOTOR it dominates B and H. fastest h2b on the east coast is randy running 10.5 in a street car he is out of MD while all the K cars in his class are running 10.2-10.3's. K series is just a superior motor when it comes to all motor but you have to pay to play. mosley and some other guy (srry cant remember your screen name lol) stated it earlier which is if these h2b's and B's around here would go up north they would get devoured by K's which is true.

[h22 jones]

agree with 99% of this. only thing i dont agree on is you dont "need" an aftermarket radiator i believe karcepts has a kit where you can just mount your half sized radiator on the other side. K is more expensive but ALL MOTOR it dominates B and H. fastest h2b on the east coast is randy running 10.5 in a street car he is out of MD while all the K cars in his class are running 10.2-10.3's. K series is just a superior motor when it comes to all motor but you have to pay to play. mosley and some other guy (srry cant remember your screen name lol) stated if these h2b's and B's around here would go up north they would get devoured by K's.

Ther agian you are talking about a whole different class of racing . Not to mention you have 50 people building the all motor k and only running two tenths faster then the only fucking person that races a hatch . Have you ever thought of it that way . Hmmm i wonder how fast the h would be if there was fifty people building them . We want know because people are scared to think out side the box and when they spend that kind of money they want to start with the best oppurtuntiy to start off with . My beat is rany goes k or gets out of it all together . I think its funny that ks are dominating because they are running two tenths faster then the only damn h series built lmao . Dont get me wrong for that money at that point i would go k to but for one reason which i cant say till i prove that gregg dont know.

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

[k_killaGSR]

Ther agian you are talking about a whole different class of racing . Not to mention you have 50 people building the all motor k and only running two tenths faster then the only fucking person that races a hatch . Have you ever thought of it that way . Hmmm i wonder how fast the h would be if there was fifty people building them . We want know because people are scared to think out side the box and when they spend that kind of money they want to start with the best oppurtuntiy to start off with . My beat is rany goes k or gets out of it all together . I think its funny that ks are dominating because they are running two tenths faster then the only damn h series built lmao . Dont get me wrong for that money at that point i would go k to but for one reason which i cant say till i prove that gregg dont know.

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

actually some of these are local shops in NY beating randy. it really doesnt matter how many people are building a motor there is only so much that can be done to a motor, rnady knows his shit so it wouldnt make a difference if he built his motor or if he had 20 people help him. randy isnt the only h2b running in his class there other h2b set ups running in his class i just used him because he is the quickest. there is a reason why people go K and its because its just a superior motor, bigger motor, better flowing head and better tech. K series are more reliable, also randy blew his motor that went 10.5 while these k's running 10.2's are still running. randy uses custom pistons and has custom work done on his head by brad at RLZ (they are good friends) and we all know RLZ does some of the best work in the states. el freddy has his rwd civic running 7's its running a k series. for a reg street person who doesnt have their own shop and alot of money and no patience then h2b is the way to go. K series is expensive but if you have patience then you can slowly put one together and spank anybody at the meets. if you roll up to a local meet with a k24/20 frank motor with bolt ons, k pro and a tune no h2b at that meet will beat you unless they are BUILT or boosted. i like h2b's they are great frank setups to have, has alot of tq and are fast shit here in NC theres a h2b with just bolts ons and a tune running 12.4's using a b16 tranny with m factory FD on slicks but k is still superior. all im saying is stock for stock K wins and fully built vs fully built K wins again so K FTMFW!

this is what happens when h2b trys to run k24 frank setup at the meets. these are two locals here in the charlotte area. the h2b has a built block with high compression pistons, full bolt ons, the head has full valvetrain with jun III cams , its tuned running a type R tranny and the k24 is a k24 block with k20a2 head full bolt ons and k pro tuned. since this video the h2b got a port and polish and is running 11's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjoo2Qpc0s

[112480]

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

Damn telling you....i rather show you

[112480]

agree with 99% of this. only thing i dont agree on is you dont "need" an aftermarket radiator i believe karcepts has a kit where you can just mount your half sized radiator on the other side. K is more expensive but ALL MOTOR it dominates B and H. fastest h2b on the east coast is randy running 10.5 in a street car he is out of MD while all the K cars in his class are running 10.2-10.3's. K series is just a superior motor when it comes to all motor but you have to pay to play. mosley and some other guy (srry cant remember your screen name lol) stated it earlier which is if these h2b's and B's around here would go up north they would get devoured by K's which is true.

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Oh and keep us posted on ur new and upcoming k24/20 build in 2012

[Vteckidd]

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Stop jocking race cars, lets stick to YOUR car. you have a fully built k24 with cams, rods, pistons, etc and barely make 280 right? Didnt it dyno less after you fixed the camshaft issue?

Just cause you cheap out on stuff and have had massive problems with any of your builds, just goes to show that people SHOULDNT take your advice.

no offense

[k_killaGSR]

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Oh and keep us posted on ur new and upcoming k24/20 build in 2012

actually you are correct i over looked somethings he said. like paying 4k for a type s from hmotorsonline. why pay that when you can buy a block for 300-400 and a head for like 600-800 depending on whats done to it. shit i paid $700 for my k24a8 block with k20z3 head which included the RBC and type s wiring harness, i also just bought me a type s tranny with a polished and knife edged k24a2 crank for $1000 on k20a.org (talk about a deal). you can find alot of deals on k20a.org. theirs guys on there selling forged high compression pistons for like 350, rods for like 200, mounts for 300. like i said earlier to build a K you just have to have a little bit of patience and you'll find what you needfor the right price. ill make sure to share my build with you guys. might make a build thread. i know one thing ima have these guys at the meets lol

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you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.




never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

Whoa whoa hell whoa! mike. First off PLEASE stop bringing up hmotorsonline.com! $4k for a type s swap???!!! Seriously?????!! James got the smae k20z1 swap right now at mainstream for $2000!!! Once again STOOOOP giving people these 2004 prices. I had just typed a LONG page describing all your false prices above but my computer messed up at the time and did not post it so i'm gonna sum it up for you.

1. GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM AND SEE ALL THE PRICES I SPEAK OF FOR YOUSELF!! These are NOT "magical" prices!! I told you MADMAN7887 on k20a.org sells the k-pro for $800! THATS THE WHOLE ECU WITH K-PRO ON IT!!!! You DO NOT need your own ecu!!! When i told scotty how much i paid for it, he couldnt believe it! So he(scotty) went on k20a.rog himself and saw the prices the guys was/IS giving and scotty was like "DAMN!" So k-pro DOES NOT cost $1000!!!!!!

2.Mount kit brand new from hybrid-racing cost $499. U can get that same mount kit slightly used from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $3-350SHIPPED!!! sometimes $275shipped! Or u might get lucky and come across a good deal like me and get a brand new never used set for $350shipped! but on average its $3-350SHIPPED for the mounts NOT $4-500!!

3.Shifter box can be had for $50-75shipped all day on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM!! shit u an go to www.hondapartsunlimited.com and get the type s shifter box BRAND NEW OEM for $77.49+shipping!!

4.Shifter kit(used) on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM goes for $60-75shipped!!

5.The "adaptor engine harness(a.k.a conversion harness) is NOT $4-500!! You can get a used one from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $150-175shipped! Shit sparkksracing on k20a.org sells theirs for $250shipped!

6.Your return fuel system, i will give u is between $200-400 depending on the parts u use on it. basically the name brand.

7. DO NOT get a A/c,P/S removal kit from karcepts!!! You do not need that!! All you need is the ep3(03-05 Si)idler pulley which can be had on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $50shipped! or go to hondapartsunlimited.com and get the idler pulley and bracket BRAND NEW for $68.88+shipping! Do NOT fucking spend $2-300 for the karcepts a/c,p/s removal kit!!!

8.From hybrid-racing website, the clutchline kit is $95 and the swap axels are $199. You DO NOT have to get an aftermarket inline fuel filter, u can use ur stock one on ur 92-95 eg/dc!!

9. Mike where do you come from with an aftermarket radiator?????? I have a Aluminum C&R radiator for a 92-95 CIVIC!! all u have to do is cut the brackets from the condensor side and sit the 92-95 civic rad in there and either weld the brackets back up under it or find another way to secure it to the coil support! So people you DO NOT have to get an aftermarket radiator!!! U can get a nice one for the 92-95 civic and it will work just fine, also you can use the fan switch from a 92-95 civic radiator as well!!! And u dont need a damn slim fan either!

So mike again STOOOP telling people ur 2004 k swap/part prices! The prices i give are not "magical" by any means!! ANY AND EVERYONE CAN GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX RIGHT NOW AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES!! So yes its cost more than$2-3k but its NOT $7-8k either!

And btw, mike when ppl ask me how much i spent on my motor/semi build, i dont tell them because, 1. it keeps the theives wondering and 2. like you said it would be right for me to give ppl MY prices i got my stuff for becuase some of the parts were "1 off" deals for me and proly wont be seen again.......probably! I dont give out "magical" prices mikes, only facts. So to sum it all up:


VTECKIDD-gives you k swap/part prices from 2004.

112480- gives youREALISTIC k swap/part prices in 2011 from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM!!!

The reason i havent listed ll the other parts need(it is quite a few) to do the swap/build is because they are cheaper than the parts we listed here. I just want to let everyone know of the REALITY of the k swap/parts prices in TODAYS TIMES! So again mike STOP false claiming prices from 7 years ago!! You do not know what ur talking about! I dont care if u owned 10 k swap cars. ANYONE can go to K20A.ORG OR CLUBRSX.COM and see for themselves!! There are PLENTY of reputable sellers on those sites

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Whoa whoa hell whoa! mike. First off PLEASE stop bringing up hmotorsonline.com! $4k for a type s swap???!!! Seriously?????!! James got the smae k20z1 swap right now at mainstream for $2000!!! Once again STOOOOP giving people these 2004 prices. I had just typed a LONG page describing all your false prices above but my computer messed up at the time and did not post it so i'm gonna sum it up for you.

Ok ill bet you $100, call all the shops in atlanta and get a quote for a K20 install into your 92-95 Civic. I GUARANTEE it is over $6000, WELL OVER $6000. Hmotorsonline isnt 2004 prices, i got that link LAST NIGHT. So youre telling every person to just go search on clubrsx or k20 and buy a used engine from someone they dont know? Sounds shitty to me. James has had that k20Z for awhile, wasnt that a LONGBLOCK too? not a complete swap. And wasnt it damaged? Regardless doesnt matter, the price for a swap is minimum $3200-4200 for a FULL COMPLETE k20A2 i dont care what it is in Gregg LA LA land

Gregg stop lieing, i KNOW what you spent on your D series just to blow it to the moon and back, where did all that lost money go? I guarantee if you post your receipts from mainstream for the D Series build, the K series build, then the K Series REBUILD, its WELL OVER $10,000, not counting the car, not counting the parts you have that you installed yourself. Quit dreaming.

At this point ill chalk it up to youre full of shit and blantantly lieing. I dont care how many "DEALS" you can get, parts cost money. That C+R radiator wasnt free. You also paid labor unless mainstream is in the business of giving stuff away for free.

So greg, how much do you claim you spent? i want to hear an honest answer, put a $ figure on your K Swap/build. I want to hear another lie.