K series guys ( well mainly gregg lol)

[Vteckidd]

Mike you can contact Madman7887 on k20a.org and he will sell you a k-pro for $800shipped all day long, not $1000. hell i got mine from him a WHILE ago for $650shipped cause i turned him onto another guy who wanted one. And u can get k24 blocks for $200-400 now. Hell my buddy lamar(91s13) got his whole k24a1 motor for $150!!. drop a $5-600(fully assembled) k20a2 head on there plus a $600 type s trans and there u go. for the motor and trans ur looking at $1600 AT THE MOST!, for lamar it would be $1250 at the MOST, then add $7-800 for k-pro! etc etc etc. I got brand new Hybrid mounts retailed at $500+shipping for $300shipped from P2R because they were getting rid of some stuff. You find deals like that ALL the time!

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.

So please mike, stop telling these guys false information on the price of k series parts in 2011! I keep telling you this is NOT 2004 anymore where a k swap cost u $10k to put into a 92 eg hatch!

never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

[Black4DrEK]

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.




never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

OUCH... I was gonna say He missed out alot of parts... .HAHA

[h22 jones]

david i build hondas for one reason because thats what i work on and i run across parts for nothing and i mean nothing . If it wasnt for that i wouldnt build a car at all . hell when i say we got 6,000 in my dads whole car thats just putting a cash figure on it . After trading and swapping ive actually made money off that car and have it for free but like mike said im trying to put a reality figure on it . There is no way no matter what gregg says that he has less then 10,000 in his car and id beat more like 15,000. If the parts wasnt exspensive enough dropping it off at a shop and paying to have the motor built and installed im sure ends up between 2,000-3,000 not that i own a shop or anything .

[David88vert]

david i build hondas for one reason because thats what i work on and i run across parts for nothing and i mean nothing .

And that makes all the difference. I would do the same in your shoes.

[112480]

There is no way no matter what gregg says that he has less then 10,000 in his car and id beat more like 15,000. If the parts wasnt exspensive enough dropping it off at a shop and paying to have the motor built and installed im sure ends up between 2,000-3,000 not that i own a shop or anything .

WRONG!!!!! I bet you $500 that i dont have $10k in the motor or the build! once again NOT talking about the car and exterior/interior parts that could be argued with any car/make or model!

[Vteckidd]

WRONG!!!!! I bet you $500 that i dont have $10k in the motor or the build! once again NOT talking about the car and exterior/interior parts that could be argued with any car/make or model!

youll just claim you sold other parts from your D series that negate the cost of the K parts, when thats another lie because the D parts werent free. COst is Cost.

You can settle this by posting the receipts from Mainstream for the original build, and the rebuild. Then you can post what you paid for the parts themselves. The go Pwr cams, the header, the block, the rods, the pistons, the head work, the head, the valvetrain, the axles, the mounts, the kpro, the fuel system, etc.

I guarantee (UNLESS MAINSTREAM DID YOUR WORK FOR FREE) its well over $6000

[112480]

youll just claim you sold other parts from your D series that negate the cost of the K parts, when thats another lie because the D parts werent free. COst is Cost.

You can settle this by posting the receipts from Mainstream for the original build, and the rebuild. Then you can post what you paid for the parts themselves. The go Pwr cams, the header, the block, the rods, the pistons, the head work, the head, the valvetrain, the axles, the mounts, the kpro, the fuel system, etc.

I guarantee (UNLESS MAINSTREAM DID YOUR WORK FOR FREE) its well over $6000

Wrong again on the labor cost! and i dont have to post my receipts to settle anything. lol. i have my car sitting in my driveway running so why do i have to "prove" anything wih receipts? lol! As long as poeple go to K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM and see for themselves, thats all that matters

[112480]

You can settle this by posting the receipts from Mainstream for the original build, and the rebuild. Then you can post what you paid for the parts themselves. The go Pwr cams, the header, the block, the rods, the pistons, the head work, the head, the valvetrain, the axles, the mounts, the kpro, the fuel system, etc.

Well lets see... how much did you sell ur kiddracing header to me for??? Like i told you b4, the block didnt cost me anything(and if i were paying the guy cash for it, he said he'll take $150, if u must know), the rods were a present from my fiance, didnt pay for the FULLY ASSEMBLED head, told u my k-pro was $650, told u my mounts were $350shipped brand new, fuel system i got for $175shipped(full sysytem, i.e SS lines,Aeromotive FPR, fuel rail etc etc). Stock head by the way with a "clean up port job", doesnt even compare to matt ported head in the slightest!, pistions and even rods dont count in this euqtion because we were talking about a STOCK kswap or STOCK k24/k20 build which my k24a1 block came fully assembled. And everyone knows piston are between $4-500(unless u can get a better deal on them) but again now ur talking about BUILDING a k motor when we were originally talking about a STOCK swap or stock k24/k20 build and as usual u try to find a way to push the subject of a STOCK k motor into what i or someone else paid for a BUILT motor.

Typical mike, but u should know by now that u dont get me with ur antics. After i've showed my point(i.e GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM in the for sale section) and ur STILL trying to argue, i'll just ignore whatever you say about the particular subject and just let you say whatever little mikey fells like saying

[Vteckidd]

Well lets see... how much did you sell ur kiddracing header to me for???

I think it was $250-280

Like i told you b4, the block didnt cost me anything(and if i were paying the guy cash for it, he said he'll take $150, if u must know)

Sweet K24 blocks are FREE! didnt know that.

, the rods were a present from my fiance,

Need to get me one of those! im sure everyone can count on that.

didnt pay for the FULLY ASSEMBLED head

Fully assembled K20 heads are free too? Fuckin a where have i been!

, told u my k-pro was $650

$150 below Hondata MAP which would get that guy dropped as a distributor FYI. Kpro is USUALLY $750-800 IF YOU HAVE THE ECU, $900-1000 if you dont.

, told u my mounts were $350shipped brand new, fuel system i got for $175shipped(full sysytem, i.e SS lines,Aeromotive FPR, fuel rail etc etc).

Stock head by the way with a "clean up port job", doesnt even compare to matt ported head in the slightest!,

That im sure charles didnt do for free, and IIRC you paid Turbo Dave $500 or gave him $500 in parts that he did nothing for you with. If charles did do it for free, im sure no one else will get that deal. It still costs SOMETHING.

pistions and even rods dont count in this euqtion because we were talking about a STOCK kswap or STOCK k24/k20 build which my k24a1 block came fully assembled.

So your K24 block came fully assembled with the rods and pistons? Funny how i saw your block BARE and charles kept saying "waiting on gregg to finish getting parts so i can assemble the motor". ANd yes its relevant im trying to show how you dont know how to add.

You do realize i told you about a stock K Swap and YOU SAID how cheap it was to buy a block, a head, etc. So i suppose the argument only works for you.

And everyone knows piston are between $4-500(unless u can get a better deal on them)

correct

but again now ur talking about BUILDING a k motor when we were originally talking about a STOCK swap or stock k24/k20 build and as usual u try to find a way to push the subject of a STOCK k motor into what i or someone else paid for a BUILT motor.

I showed you a K20A2 swap for $4000, you havent shown me anything that shows it cheaper.

Typical mike, but u should know by now that u dont get me with ur antics. After i've showed my point(i.e GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM in the for sale section) and ur STILL trying to argue, i'll just ignore whatever you say about the particular subject and just let you say whatever little mikey fells like saying

youre point is retarded, and makes no sense.

So i guess your advice is "yo dawg get you a fiance to buy you parts, get free k20 headz assembled, and free labor, you gots a K SWAP NOW!!"

remember to type in all caps and in bold, and to put some gay quotation in your signature.

good day sir

[h22 jones]

WRONG!!!!! I bet you $500 that i dont have $10k in the motor or the build! once again NOT talking about the car and exterior/interior parts that could be argued with any car/make or model!

Its says car fool not motor lol.

As for the other im just trying to keep you riled up and make this thread interesting. Im doing a good job of it if i do say so myself.

[h22 jones]

Kills forum is dead as hell and i get a 5 page thread going in one day with no reps lol. Were is my rep gregg you know you love me lol.

Mike if i didnt have so damn many performance parts laying around my dad has been begging me to see how much we can make on a stock h23 motor. I think all stock internals including stock cams i cna make 250 not saying why but it can be done with ease.

Mosely your right stock to stock a k motor will handle alot more then a h series ,the pistons suck . We did spray a 75 shot on one for a couple years running 12.7 and stayed together fine . If i was in your shoes hell i would be k to but im not so i have to do what i do lol. I dont have the time or the cash gregg has obviously.

[112480]

Kills forum is dead as hell and i get a 5 page thread going in one day with no reps lol. Were is my rep gregg you know you love me lol.

rep given

Mosely your right stock to stock a k motor will handle alot more then a h series ,the pistons suck . We did spray a 75 shot on one for a couple years running 12.7 and stayed together fine . If i was in your shoes hell i would be k to but im not so i have to do what i do lol. I dont have the time or the cash gregg has obviously.

umm Mike, I'm broker than u so what the hell are you talking about????:confused:

[k_killaGSR]

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.




never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

you dont "need" an aftermarket radiator i believe karcepts has a kit where you can just mount your half sized radiator on the other side. K is more expensive but ALL MOTOR it dominates B and H. fastest h2b on the east coast is randy running 10.5 in a street car he is out of MD while all the K cars in his class are running 10.2-10.3's. K series is just a superior motor when it comes to all motor but you have to pay to play. mosley and some other guy (srry cant remember your screen name lol) stated it earlier which is if these h2b's and B's around here would go up north they would get devoured by K's which is true.

[h22 jones]

agree with 99% of this. only thing i dont agree on is you dont "need" an aftermarket radiator i believe karcepts has a kit where you can just mount your half sized radiator on the other side. K is more expensive but ALL MOTOR it dominates B and H. fastest h2b on the east coast is randy running 10.5 in a street car he is out of MD while all the K cars in his class are running 10.2-10.3's. K series is just a superior motor when it comes to all motor but you have to pay to play. mosley and some other guy (srry cant remember your screen name lol) stated if these h2b's and B's around here would go up north they would get devoured by K's.

Ther agian you are talking about a whole different class of racing . Not to mention you have 50 people building the all motor k and only running two tenths faster then the only fucking person that races a hatch . Have you ever thought of it that way . Hmmm i wonder how fast the h would be if there was fifty people building them . We want know because people are scared to think out side the box and when they spend that kind of money they want to start with the best oppurtuntiy to start off with . My beat is rany goes k or gets out of it all together . I think its funny that ks are dominating because they are running two tenths faster then the only damn h series built lmao . Dont get me wrong for that money at that point i would go k to but for one reason which i cant say till i prove that gregg dont know.

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

[k_killaGSR]

Ther agian you are talking about a whole different class of racing . Not to mention you have 50 people building the all motor k and only running two tenths faster then the only fucking person that races a hatch . Have you ever thought of it that way . Hmmm i wonder how fast the h would be if there was fifty people building them . We want know because people are scared to think out side the box and when they spend that kind of money they want to start with the best oppurtuntiy to start off with . My beat is rany goes k or gets out of it all together . I think its funny that ks are dominating because they are running two tenths faster then the only damn h series built lmao . Dont get me wrong for that money at that point i would go k to but for one reason which i cant say till i prove that gregg dont know.

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

actually some of these are local shops in NY beating randy. it really doesnt matter how many people are building a motor there is only so much that can be done to a motor, rnady knows his shit so it wouldnt make a difference if he built his motor or if he had 20 people help him. randy isnt the only h2b running in his class there other h2b set ups running in his class i just used him because he is the quickest. there is a reason why people go K and its because its just a superior motor, bigger motor, better flowing head and better tech. K series are more reliable, also randy blew his motor that went 10.5 while these k's running 10.2's are still running. randy uses custom pistons and has custom work done on his head by brad at RLZ (they are good friends) and we all know RLZ does some of the best work in the states. el freddy has his rwd civic running 7's its running a k series. for a reg street person who doesnt have their own shop and alot of money and no patience then h2b is the way to go. K series is expensive but if you have patience then you can slowly put one together and spank anybody at the meets. if you roll up to a local meet with a k24/20 frank motor with bolt ons, k pro and a tune no h2b at that meet will beat you unless they are BUILT or boosted. i like h2b's they are great frank setups to have, has alot of tq and are fast shit here in NC theres a h2b with just bolts ons and a tune running 12.4's using a b16 tranny with m factory FD on slicks but k is still superior. all im saying is stock for stock K wins and fully built vs fully built K wins again so K FTMFW!

this is what happens when h2b trys to run k24 frank setup at the meets. these are two locals here in the charlotte area. the h2b has a built block with high compression pistons, full bolt ons, the head has full valvetrain with jun III cams , its tuned running a type R tranny and the k24 is a k24 block with k20a2 head full bolt ons and k pro tuned. since this video the h2b got a port and polish and is running 11's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjoo2Qpc0s

[h22 jones]

actually some of these are local shops in NY beating randy. it really doesnt matter how many people are building a motor there is only so much that can be done to a motor, rnady knows his shit so it wouldnt make a difference if he built his motor or if he had 20 people help him. randy isnt the only h2b running in his class there other h2b set ups running in his class i just used him because he is the quickest. there is a reason why people go K and its because its just a superior motor, bigger motor, better flowing head and better tech. K series are more reliable, also randy blew his motor that went 10.5 while these k's running 10.2's are still running. randy uses custom pistons and has custom work done on his head by brad at RLZ (they are good friends) and we all know RLZ does some of the best work in the states. el freddy has his rwd civic running 7's its running a k series. for a reg street person who doesnt have their own shop and alot of money and no patience then h2b is the way to go. K series is expensive but if you have patience then you can slowly put one together and spank anybody at the meets. if you roll up to a local meet with a k24/20 frank motor with bolt ons, k pro and a tune no h2b at that meet will beat you unless they are BUILT or boosted. i like h2b's they are great frank setups to have, has alot of tq and are fast shit here in NC theres a h2b with just bolts ons and a tune running 12.4's using a b16 tranny with m factory FD on slicks but k is still superior. all im saying is stock for stock K wins and fully built vs fully built K wins again so K FTMFW!

this is what happens when h2b trys to run k24 frank setup at the meets. these are two locals here in the charlotte area. the h2b has a built block with high compression pistons, full bolt ons, the head has full valvetrain with jun III cams , its tuned running a type R tranny and the k24 is a k24 block with k20a2 head full bolt ons and k pro tuned. since this video the h2b got a port and polish and is running 11's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjoo2Qpc0s

See you contradict yourself man . A k24 beating stock h2bs is not stock verses stock . Its a strocked k series beating stock h2bs . Ive been around the block and stock for stock a k series swap runs 12.9 . A h2b runs 12.9 period . Ive already said the k motor when you get to a certain point is superior period but nobody around here is at that level yet . Randys motor before that wasnt much slower and wasnt custom . WHen you get to that point everything is custom and because one motor blew doesnt make k anymore reliable . Will a k series rev to 10,000 rpms and stay together longer then a h series reving that high sure but not when stroked to 2.6 litres not going to happen . Well not for long .

[112480]

Simple fact a motor is nothing but a air pump yes some heads flow better stock but once you start building them there is only one factor that the h will never be able to over come when it comes to the k series gregg tell me what is .

Damn telling you....i rather show you

[112480]

agree with 99% of this. only thing i dont agree on is you dont "need" an aftermarket radiator i believe karcepts has a kit where you can just mount your half sized radiator on the other side. K is more expensive but ALL MOTOR it dominates B and H. fastest h2b on the east coast is randy running 10.5 in a street car he is out of MD while all the K cars in his class are running 10.2-10.3's. K series is just a superior motor when it comes to all motor but you have to pay to play. mosley and some other guy (srry cant remember your screen name lol) stated it earlier which is if these h2b's and B's around here would go up north they would get devoured by K's which is true.

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Oh and keep us posted on ur new and upcoming k24/20 build in 2012

[Vteckidd]

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Stop jocking race cars, lets stick to YOUR car. you have a fully built k24 with cams, rods, pistons, etc and barely make 280 right? Didnt it dyno less after you fixed the camshaft issue?

Just cause you cheap out on stuff and have had massive problems with any of your builds, just goes to show that people SHOULDNT take your advice.

no offense

[112480]

Stop jocking race cars, lets stick to YOUR car. you have a fully built k24 with cams, rods, pistons, etc and barely make 280 right? Didnt it dyno less after you fixed the camshaft issue?

Just cause you cheap out on stuff and have had massive problems with any of your builds, just goes to show that people SHOULDNT take your advice.

no offense

LOL i havent cheaped out with anything besides the header i got from you and i just put the same profile cam on it for now so its making the same power....for now And who jocking race teams? So to make 300whp on a K requires a race team??? LOL! Yea ur defiently smoking that good shit this morning. LOL!!! And what "advice" do u speak of??? The fact that i told everyone to go to K20A.ORG OR CLUBRSX.COM AN SEE FOR THEMSELVES????

So tell me mike how is that bad advice??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really i want to hear how me telling people to go to those sites and see for themselves is bad advice????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vteckidd]

So tell me mike how is that bad advice??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really i want to hear how me telling people to go to those sites and see for themselves is bad advice????????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im just saying YOUR advice got you a car that makes sub power comapred to other K24s in GA, and it blew up and had issues.

So i wouldnt go your route

[112480]

im just saying YOUR advice got you a car that makes sub power comapred to other K24s in GA, and it blew up and had issues.

So i wouldnt go your route

Again what advice??? K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM advice??? Blew up? I just had oil pump failure cause i used a USED oil pump. lesson learned and sub power to other k24's in GA. LMAO!!!!!!!!!! If(which u are) referring to Matt's and midnights car, once again you dont have a clue what ur talking about! Their Cars are more built than mine in regards to the parts the have vs mine. Did you know Moseley cams are BIGGER than mine? LOL! I have a LOT of room for improvement! Theres is allmotor purpose built, i'm doing both for allmotor and boost. I didnt mak 300whp on the parts i've chossen and its ok, ESPEACIALLY when comparing my build to matts or midnights so once again mikey u fail at knowing what ur talking about

[k_killaGSR]

Dont agree with mike. lol. K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM makes all his 2004 price quote look stupid enough as it is. lol And PLEASE dont tell h22jones that randy car runs 10.5 but get beat by other K's IN HIS CLASS running 10.2-10.3's AND STILL are able to drive LONG distances home.lol Dont worry thou, when h22jones gets these h2b's done, some of the K guys will show him whats up

Oh and keep us posted on ur new and upcoming k24/20 build in 2012

actually you are correct i over looked somethings he said. like paying 4k for a type s from hmotorsonline. why pay that when you can buy a block for 300-400 and a head for like 600-800 depending on whats done to it. shit i paid $700 for my k24a8 block with k20z3 head which included the RBC and type s wiring harness, i also just bought me a type s tranny with a polished and knife edged k24a2 crank for $1000 on k20a.org (talk about a deal). you can find alot of deals on k20a.org. theirs guys on there selling forged high compression pistons for like 350, rods for like 200, mounts for 300. like i said earlier to build a K you just have to have a little bit of patience and you'll find what you needfor the right price. ill make sure to share my build with you guys. might make a build thread. i know one thing ima have these guys at the meets lol

[Vteckidd]

actually you are correct i over looked somethings he said. like paying 4k for a type s from hmotorsonline. why pay that when you can buy a block for 300-400 and a head for like 600-800 depending on whats done to it. shit i paid $700 for my k24a8 block with k20z3 head which included the RBC and type s wiring harness, i also just bought me a type s tranny with a polished and knife edged k24a2 crank for $1000 on k20a.org (talk about a deal). you can find alot of deals on k20a.org. theirs guys on there selling forged high compression pistons for like 350, rods for like 200, mounts for 300. like i said earlier to build a K you just have to have a little bit of patience and you'll find what you needfor the right price. ill make sure to share my build with you guys. might make a build thread. i know one thing ima have these guys at the meets lol

you guys obviously havent built enough to realize there is more to a motor than a block head and tranny. Also i dont know where you are buying complete rotating assemblies like a K20A2 for $300-400. Maybe with 150k miles. A VTEC K 20 head goes for $600 all day and more. So congrats you found a DEAL, but its not something you can recommend to a CUSTOMER. very few people are going to trust buying X block with X head with X tranny from some random guys on clubrsx or k20a.org. Even then youre missing a ton of stuff

What about:

flywheel
flywheel bolts
starter
starter bolts
alternator
clutch assembly
shifter cables
clips
bushings
wiring harness
fuel rail
injectors
tb
tps
valve cover
valve cover hardware
timing chain
timing chain sprockets, guides, cover
oil pan
oil pan hardware
tranny bolts
thermostat
thermostat housing
coolant temp sensor
VSS
oil pressure sensor
ECU
wiring harness
knock sensor
idler pulley
intake manifold
IAC
IAT



So why you guys can claim you can buy a block for $400-500 and a head for $600-800, you are overlooking a TON OF PARTS that come with a complete swap. Most people arent going to sit there and hunt down all that stuff. They would rather buy it all complete because at the end of the day you can buy a full swap for $4000, or you can buy a block, head, headgasket, pay someone to put the motor together, only to figure out your missing $500-1000 more in parts, etc etc etc etc

Ask james which is easier to do. Or how many times someone says "i got everything" and THEY DONT.

If you guys are somehow able to beat what everyone else is paying, congrats. youre still in the minority. Ive bought PLENTY of blocks, heads etc that were missing parts. I refuse to believe you can buy a K20A2 swap for $1500 with truly everything you need. I have bought a K20A2 swap before for $2000, doesnt mean every swap is $2000.

[Moseley]

What about:

flywheel
flywheel bolts
starter
starter bolts
alternator
clutch assembly
shifter cables
clips
bushings
wiring harness
fuel rail
injectors
tb
tps
valve cover
valve cover hardware
timing chain
timing chain sprockets, guides, cover
oil pan
oil pan hardware
tranny bolts
thermostat
thermostat housing
coolant temp sensor
VSS
oil pressure sensor
ECU
wiring harness
knock sensor
idler pulley
intake manifold
IAC
IAT

[Vteckidd]

gregg prob got all that for free from his Fiance too

[k_killaGSR]

you guys obviously havent built enough to realize there is more to a motor than a block head and tranny.

What about:

flywheel
flywheel bolts
starter
starter bolts
alternator
clutch assembly
shifter cables
clips
bushings
wiring harness
fuel rail
injectors
tb
tps
valve cover
valve cover hardware
timing chain
timing chain sprockets, guides, cover
oil pan
oil pan hardware
tranny bolts
thermostat
thermostat housing
coolant temp sensor
VSS
oil pressure sensor
ECU
wiring harness
knock sensor
idler pulley
intake manifold
IAC
IAT



So why you guys can claim you can buy a block for $400-500 and a head for $600-800, you are overlooking a TON OF PARTS that come with a complete swap. Most people arent going to sit there and hunt down all that stuff. They would rather buy it all complete because at the end of the day you can buy a full swap for $4000, or you can buy a block, head, headgasket, pay someone to put the motor together, only to figure out your missing $500-1000 more in parts, etc etc etc etc

Ask james which is easier to do. Or how many times someone says "i got everything" and THEY DONT.

If you guys are somehow able to beat what everyone else is paying, congrats. youre still in the minority. Ive bought PLENTY of blocks, heads etc that were missing parts. I refuse to believe you can buy a K20A2 swap for $1500 with truly everything you need. I have bought a K20A2 swap before for $2000, doesnt mean every swap is $2000.

most of the stuff you listed like iat, iac, intake manifld, valve cover, all sensors for the block and head,tranny bolts, oil pan, TB with all sensors including tps, stock injectors, timing chain with guides, sprockets and timing chain cover, coil packs comes with it. i just didnt think i had to list every little thing that came with it because most of this stuff is supposed to come with a motor. stuff like fly wheel ,clutch i dont car that it didnt come with it because it would get switched out anyways, same thing with fuel rail. starters and alternators go for cheap on k20a.org. you mentioned earlier something about getting lucky and not getting scammed well thats why you do your research on someone before you purchase from them. look up there prev transactions, see what people say about the person. only buy from a reputable seller and use paypal if you dont get what you paid for then file a complaint to get your money back. you are correct just because someone buys a motor for 2000 that doesnt mean every swap is going for 2000 but that goes back to what i stated you just gotta have patience when building a K. you have to wait for the right part to come around for the right price. but im done with this convo this thing had like 7 pgs on the first day lol it can go on for YEARS. props to the OP for entertaining us

[112480]

most of the stuff you listed like iat, iac, intake manifld, valve cover, all sensors for the block and head,tranny bolts, oil pan, TB with all sensors including tps, stock injectors, timing chain with guides, sprockets and timing chain cover, coil packs comes with it. i just didnt think i had to list every little thing that came with it because most of this stuff is supposed to come with a motor.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................... dont tell vteckidd that either...........shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......... ......................... he's doing a good job by himself of making a fool of himself so , shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

[112480]

actually you are correct i over looked somethings he said. like paying 4k for a type s from hmotorsonline. why pay that when you can buy a block for 300-400 and a head for like 600-800 depending on whats done to it. shit i paid $700 for my k24a8 block with k20z3 head which included the RBC and type s wiring harness, i also just bought me a type s tranny with a polished and knife edged k24a2 crank for $1000 on k20a.org (talk about a deal). you can find alot of deals on k20a.org. theirs guys on there selling forged high compression pistons for like 350, rods for like 200, mounts for 300. like i said earlier to build a K you just have to have a little bit of patience and you'll find what you needfor the right price.

shhhhhhhh......dont tell vteckidd that, cause he'll call bullshit on you ESPEACIALLY if u cant provide receipts!

[Vteckidd]

shhhhhhhh......dont tell vteckidd that, cause he'll call bullshit on you ESPEACIALLY if u cant provide receipts!

you guys leave me no choice.

See i operate on FACTS. Not half truths, or so and so said, or whatever. So you should argue FACTS with FACTS. You guys dont do that.

I say "no one makes over 250whp with a B SEries" then theres a 25 page thread about how IM WRONG yet no one has proven it at all. Its very simple, post a dyno from a GA shop with a b series making 250whp? whats so hard?

You say you dont have $10,000 in your car, i say youre full of shit. You say "i dont have to prove it".

You say a K Series is cheap, i say youre wrong and post links prices, point out the gross amount of things you are forgetting. You say " i dont have to prove it" or "my fiance bought it for me".

Thats why you guys think im an asshole, is because i call you on your bullshit and it angers you because you know you cant win with someone that argues like me. Period

[112480]

you just dont understand. Just because you have the time to browse the forum and find deals of the year is a moot point. You forget i had a K Series car, and i have infinite hook ups when it comes to parts, and its not anywhere near as cheap as you say it is.

A K SERIES WILL COST THE AVERAGE CONSUMER FAR MORE and you are acting like all a k20 needs is mounts and install. youre missing about 90% of the other stuff to swap it in and you know it.

K20A2 Swap from reputable seller $4000 PLUS SHIPPING
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...age&item=30015

$800 for KPRO if you have the OEM ecu, if not, $1000+

Mount kit-$400-500

Shifter box for EG $120-130

Shifter kit-$120-130

Adapter engine harness -$400-500

Return fuel system (rail, fittings, etc)-$200-400

karcepts AC and PS removal kit if you want to close your hood-$200
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2606258...=sbar&_lwgsi=y

Hybrid racing clutch line, fan switch, axles, inline fuel filter etc- $500

youre forgetting about the aftermarket radiator you have to have because you cant run a stock radiator with a K Series $200-300, the thermostat housing, the axles, the swap header cause stock wont work, slim fan, etc etc etc etc etc

So i really dont care what you CLAIM, its far more expensive than what you THINK it costs. And i guarantee if you add everything youve spent up it totals out far more than you think.

Here, compare.

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/tech/k-...ap-parts-list/

So it may not cost $8000 or 7k or 10, but its far more than $2000-3000 like you are acting. And if you somehow pieced together a k24 built motor with valvetrain , cams, rods, pistons, machine work, bearings, header, intake manny, tb, trans, clutch, flywheel, kpro for some magical low number....you cant recommend that to people. Because you got 1 off deals that wont always be there. just cause YOU got a DEAL doesnt mean everyone else can too.




never said 10k, i said $6000-8000, which i stick by

Whoa whoa hell whoa! mike. First off PLEASE stop bringing up hmotorsonline.com! $4k for a type s swap???!!! Seriously?????!! James got the smae k20z1 swap right now at mainstream for $2000!!! Once again STOOOOP giving people these 2004 prices. I had just typed a LONG page describing all your false prices above but my computer messed up at the time and did not post it so i'm gonna sum it up for you.

1. GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM AND SEE ALL THE PRICES I SPEAK OF FOR YOUSELF!! These are NOT "magical" prices!! I told you MADMAN7887 on k20a.org sells the k-pro for $800! THATS THE WHOLE ECU WITH K-PRO ON IT!!!! You DO NOT need your own ecu!!! When i told scotty how much i paid for it, he couldnt believe it! So he(scotty) went on k20a.rog himself and saw the prices the guys was/IS giving and scotty was like "DAMN!" So k-pro DOES NOT cost $1000!!!!!!

2.Mount kit brand new from hybrid-racing cost $499. U can get that same mount kit slightly used from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $3-350SHIPPED!!! sometimes $275shipped! Or u might get lucky and come across a good deal like me and get a brand new never used set for $350shipped! but on average its $3-350SHIPPED for the mounts NOT $4-500!!

3.Shifter box can be had for $50-75shipped all day on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM!! shit u an go to www.hondapartsunlimited.com and get the type s shifter box BRAND NEW OEM for $77.49+shipping!!

4.Shifter kit(used) on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM goes for $60-75shipped!!

5.The "adaptor engine harness(a.k.a conversion harness) is NOT $4-500!! You can get a used one from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $150-175shipped! Shit sparkksracing on k20a.org sells theirs for $250shipped!

6.Your return fuel system, i will give u is between $200-400 depending on the parts u use on it. basically the name brand.

7. DO NOT get a A/c,P/S removal kit from karcepts!!! You do not need that!! All you need is the ep3(03-05 Si)idler pulley which can be had on K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM for $50shipped! or go to hondapartsunlimited.com and get the idler pulley and bracket BRAND NEW for $68.88+shipping! Do NOT fucking spend $2-300 for the karcepts a/c,p/s removal kit!!!

8.From hybrid-racing website, the clutchline kit is $95 and the swap axels are $199. You DO NOT have to get an aftermarket inline fuel filter, u can use ur stock one on ur 92-95 eg/dc!!

9. Mike where do you come from with an aftermarket radiator?????? I have a Aluminum C&R radiator for a 92-95 CIVIC!! all u have to do is cut the brackets from the condensor side and sit the 92-95 civic rad in there and either weld the brackets back up under it or find another way to secure it to the coil support! So people you DO NOT have to get an aftermarket radiator!!! U can get a nice one for the 92-95 civic and it will work just fine, also you can use the fan switch from a 92-95 civic radiator as well!!! And u dont need a damn slim fan either!

So mike again STOOOP telling people ur 2004 k swap/part prices! The prices i give are not "magical" by any means!! ANY AND EVERYONE CAN GO TO K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX RIGHT NOW AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES!! So yes its cost more than$2-3k but its NOT $7-8k either!

And btw, mike when ppl ask me how much i spent on my motor/semi build, i dont tell them because, 1. it keeps the theives wondering and 2. like you said it would be right for me to give ppl MY prices i got my stuff for becuase some of the parts were "1 off" deals for me and proly wont be seen again.......probably! I dont give out "magical" prices mikes, only facts. So to sum it all up:


VTECKIDD-gives you k swap/part prices from 2004.

112480- gives youREALISTIC k swap/part prices in 2011 from K20A.ORG/CLUBRSX.COM!!!

The reason i havent listed ll the other parts need(it is quite a few) to do the swap/build is because they are cheaper than the parts we listed here. I just want to let everyone know of the REALITY of the k swap/parts prices in TODAYS TIMES! So again mike STOP false claiming prices from 7 years ago!! You do not know what ur talking about! I dont care if u owned 10 k swap cars. ANYONE can go to K20A.ORG OR CLUBRSX.COM and see for themselves!! There are PLENTY of reputable sellers on those sites

[Vteckidd]

Whoa whoa hell whoa! mike. First off PLEASE stop bringing up hmotorsonline.com! $4k for a type s swap???!!! Seriously?????!! James got the smae k20z1 swap right now at mainstream for $2000!!! Once again STOOOOP giving people these 2004 prices. I had just typed a LONG page describing all your false prices above but my computer messed up at the time and did not post it so i'm gonna sum it up for you.

Ok ill bet you $100, call all the shops in atlanta and get a quote for a K20 install into your 92-95 Civic. I GUARANTEE it is over $6000, WELL OVER $6000. Hmotorsonline isnt 2004 prices, i got that link LAST NIGHT. So youre telling every person to just go search on clubrsx or k20 and buy a used engine from someone they dont know? Sounds shitty to me. James has had that k20Z for awhile, wasnt that a LONGBLOCK too? not a complete swap. And wasnt it damaged? Regardless doesnt matter, the price for a swap is minimum $3200-4200 for a FULL COMPLETE k20A2 i dont care what it is in Gregg LA LA land

Gregg stop lieing, i KNOW what you spent on your D series just to blow it to the moon and back, where did all that lost money go? I guarantee if you post your receipts from mainstream for the D Series build, the K series build, then the K Series REBUILD, its WELL OVER $10,000, not counting the car, not counting the parts you have that you installed yourself. Quit dreaming.

At this point ill chalk it up to youre full of shit and blantantly lieing. I dont care how many "DEALS" you can get, parts cost money. That C+R radiator wasnt free. You also paid labor unless mainstream is in the business of giving stuff away for free.

So greg, how much do you claim you spent? i want to hear an honest answer, put a $ figure on your K Swap/build. I want to hear another lie.

[112480]

Ok ill bet you $100, call all the shops in atlanta and get a quote for a K20 install into your 92-95 Civic. I GUARANTEE it is over $6000, WELL OVER $6000. Hmotorsonline isnt 2004 prices, i got that link LAST NIGHT. So youre telling every person to just go search on clubrsx or k20 and buy a used engine from someone they dont know? Sounds shitty to me. James has had that k20Z for awhile, wasnt that a LONGBLOCK too? not a complete swap. And wasnt it damaged? Regardless doesnt matter, the price for a swap is minimum $3200-4200 for a FULL COMPLETE k20A2 i dont care what it is in Gregg LA LA land

Gregg stop lieing, i KNOW what you spent on your D series just to blow it to the moon and back, where did all that lost money go? I guarantee if you post your receipts from mainstream for the D Series build, the K series build, then the K Series REBUILD, its WELL OVER $10,000, not counting the car, not counting the parts you have that you installed yourself. Quit dreaming.

At this point ill chalk it up to youre full of shit and blantantly lieing. I dont care how many "DEALS" you can get, parts cost money. That C+R radiator wasnt free. You also paid labor unless mainstream is in the business of giving stuff away for free.

So greg, how much do you claim you spent? i want to hear an honest answer, put a $ figure on your K Swap/build. I want to hear another lie.

What the hell are you smoking mike? seriously? lies? your the only one giving DELUSIONS OUT TO PEOPLE!. We're not talking about my D series build or k rebuild(which was just an oil pump and cams, hardly a full rebuild) we're talking about how much it is to get or build a STOCK k series!! What shops are you referring to that charges $6000 for the swap in a eg???????????????????? Yea if u DROP YOUR DAMN CAR OFF AND HAVE THEM DO EVERYTHING!? But mike i ask you, who in 2011 really does that shit anymore!!!???? Seriously! So stop with ur bullshit please. Its very insulting to the people who cant read between YOUR false price infos and delusions! And like i said b4 i'm not giving my prices because it makes no sense to b/c 1. it'll just be something for you to feed off of and call bullshit when you dont know wht hell you're talking about and 2. They might not be able to get it for the price i got mine for.

Remember the Ls/Vtec parts i had when i was gonna do allmotor ls/V? surely you dont think i paid $2000 for those parts? i.e head/trans/block etc etc.....i traded on that shit(through patience) for the corresponding k parts! So i didnt pay shit for my head/block(which was the whole k24a1 motor btw) and trans and other parts as well. shit i didnt start paying for SWAP parts till in the middle of my parts list, all from CHEAP B series parts. So you can save all those B.S stories your telling everyone. Its funny how you are always so quick to tell everyone how much my reciepts said on my D series turbo build, but once again we are talking about K series swaps and parts NOT D,B or H series. Stay focues mike, stay focus and quit with the lies ok.

I put the facts out there....its called K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM where i go all my parts from!! used and some new! So anyone else new reading all of this can go to those site in the "For Sale" section and get the swap/parts u need to do ur k motor Dont listen to mike B.S.....see for yourself!!

[Vteckidd]

And like i said b4 i'm not giving my prices because it makes no sense

Figured. So easy to argue when you dont have to back anything up

Its funny how you are always so quick to tell everyone how much my reciepts said on my D series turbo build, but once again we are talking about K series swaps and parts NOT D,B or H series. Stay focues mike, stay focus and quit with the lies ok.

Wanna know whats funny, remember the guy you bought "my" header from for your B Series ls vtec. That was my roomate i sent out to sell it because you wouldnt buy it from me cause you had some beef with me at the time. His name is Jason, Mike Jones knows him and knows about the transaction. Funny thing is he sold it to you for $300, then you said to me few months later when we were on speaking terms you paid $200 for it from some guy on the forums. Never told you that, but its just an example of you bullshitting.

Im smarter than that gregg :P

I put the facts out there....its called K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM where i go all my parts from!! used and some new! So anyone else new reading all of this can go to those site in the "For Sale" section and get the swap/parts u need to do ur k motor Dont listen to mike B.S.....see for yourself!!

your facts are distorted and only based on LUCK assuming that someone can find deals on an online forum, not get scammed, and hopefully its available at the time. Thats not the way people run businesses.

if u DROP YOUR DAMN CAR OFF AND HAVE THEM DO EVERYTHING!? But mike i ask you, who in 2011 really does that shit anymore!!!????

UH, HOW ABOUT YOU! Thats EXACTLY what you did with your D and your K LOL YOu dropped your SHELL off, waited 2 years or more, gave mainstream a box of parts and said "build it". I dont know of any other shop that would let you store your car for 2 years for free.

I wont argue this anymore, its obvious you have no clue what youre talking about