K series guys ( well mainly gregg lol)

[112480]

Ok ill bet you $100, call all the shops in atlanta and get a quote for a K20 install into your 92-95 Civic. I GUARANTEE it is over $6000, WELL OVER $6000. Hmotorsonline isnt 2004 prices, i got that link LAST NIGHT. So youre telling every person to just go search on clubrsx or k20 and buy a used engine from someone they dont know? Sounds shitty to me. James has had that k20Z for awhile, wasnt that a LONGBLOCK too? not a complete swap. And wasnt it damaged? Regardless doesnt matter, the price for a swap is minimum $3200-4200 for a FULL COMPLETE k20A2 i dont care what it is in Gregg LA LA land

Gregg stop lieing, i KNOW what you spent on your D series just to blow it to the moon and back, where did all that lost money go? I guarantee if you post your receipts from mainstream for the D Series build, the K series build, then the K Series REBUILD, its WELL OVER $10,000, not counting the car, not counting the parts you have that you installed yourself. Quit dreaming.

At this point ill chalk it up to youre full of shit and blantantly lieing. I dont care how many "DEALS" you can get, parts cost money. That C+R radiator wasnt free. You also paid labor unless mainstream is in the business of giving stuff away for free.

So greg, how much do you claim you spent? i want to hear an honest answer, put a $ figure on your K Swap/build. I want to hear another lie.

What the hell are you smoking mike? seriously? lies? your the only one giving DELUSIONS OUT TO PEOPLE!. We're not talking about my D series build or k rebuild(which was just an oil pump and cams, hardly a full rebuild) we're talking about how much it is to get or build a STOCK k series!! What shops are you referring to that charges $6000 for the swap in a eg???????????????????? Yea if u DROP YOUR DAMN CAR OFF AND HAVE THEM DO EVERYTHING!? But mike i ask you, who in 2011 really does that shit anymore!!!???? Seriously! So stop with ur bullshit please. Its very insulting to the people who cant read between YOUR false price infos and delusions! And like i said b4 i'm not giving my prices because it makes no sense to b/c 1. it'll just be something for you to feed off of and call bullshit when you dont know wht hell you're talking about and 2. They might not be able to get it for the price i got mine for.

Remember the Ls/Vtec parts i had when i was gonna do allmotor ls/V? surely you dont think i paid $2000 for those parts? i.e head/trans/block etc etc.....i traded on that shit(through patience) for the corresponding k parts! So i didnt pay shit for my head/block(which was the whole k24a1 motor btw) and trans and other parts as well. shit i didnt start paying for SWAP parts till in the middle of my parts list, all from CHEAP B series parts. So you can save all those B.S stories your telling everyone. Its funny how you are always so quick to tell everyone how much my reciepts said on my D series turbo build, but once again we are talking about K series swaps and parts NOT D,B or H series. Stay focues mike, stay focus and quit with the lies ok.

I put the facts out there....its called K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM where i go all my parts from!! used and some new! So anyone else new reading all of this can go to those site in the "For Sale" section and get the swap/parts u need to do ur k motor Dont listen to mike B.S.....see for yourself!!

[1civic]

cant speak for the kids now, but i built a honda because i was sick of the mustang hipe.. when i came out people knew the car.. not much changed because my cars can run light to light against most any street cars.. been that way for years.. never cared for numbers, never cared to brag.. but since ia ive learn the forum crap, if you take my ego online to heart than i lol at you..

back on topic now

b series is the best bang for your buk..

end of story!!

[David88vert]

b series is the best bang for your buk..

end of story!!

Bikes are the best bang for your buck. True end of story.

[Moseley]

This thread is funny

seems like everyone has valid points... kudos to h22_jones for stirring shit up enough to create a 5 page thread in less than 1 day

[boosted347]

This thread is funny

seems like everyone has valid points... kudos to h22_jones for stirring shit up enough to create a 5 page thread in less than 1 day

This and for a change its not a my car is this fast its actual car talk.......whats happening to the kills forum

[1civic]

fuck a bike, i can ride 4 deep in my turd, a/c is an option, but p/s was not..

[boosted347]

fuck a bike, i can ride 4 deep in my turd, a/c is an option, but p/s was not..

No ps...not a street car you can fit 4 on a bike.... build a custom side cart lol

[David88vert]

fuck a bike, i can ride 4 deep in my turd, a/c is an option, but p/s was not..

We can ride 4 deep, you ain't got nothing on bikes!

No ps...not a street car you can fit 4 on a bike.... build a custom side cart lol

No need to....

[boosted347]

We can ride 4 deep, you ain't got nothing on bikes!


No need to....

Lulz

[1civic]

thats a funny pic, new way to car pool, and also save the planet..

on a side note, do we even have a k series that will compete in Nov?

[boosted347]

moseley im sure

[1civic]

im not worried about him, slick for slicks be a good run, but anyone else? LOL

[boosted347]

me, im bringing my k swapped mustang down since k is the way

[David88vert]

me, im bringing my k swapped mustang down since k is the way

Me too. I have a K-swp under my hood, but i can't open the hood because my hood latch is broken. I have a gear drive also on the car. I know that it sounds like it has a supercharger, but that's really just a gear drive. Can I run in the all motor class with you?

[boosted347]

Me too. I have a K-swp under my hood, but i can't open the hood because my hood latch is broken. I have a gear drive also on the car. I know that it sounds like it has a supercharger, but that's really just a gear drive. Can I run in the all motor class with you?

Yea but im runnin all motor pro cause i need slicks to hook with all my tq i wish they would let me compete in rwd on a serious note...thats the only thing i hate about these showdown events, they are afraid to let v8s run with the "imports", yes i understand my car is not an import but they dont let import v8s compete either...go to a different say MCE track day and the imports can compete...no fair

[1civic]

You should come regardless, run TnT....

[boosted347]

You should come regardless, run TnT....

O i am lol i get to be on slicks in that to...then gonna sell the car lol gotta get into something faster...something that gets in the 12s

[Vteckidd]

its gregg he doesnt want to say he has $10,000 in a car that possibly could get beat by a less powerful and costly car.

I mean he isnt even factoring in his chassis which has carbon fiber tail gate, hood, wheels, coilovers, exhaust, suspension pieces, duckbill etc.

[112480]

its gregg he doesnt want to say he has $10,000 in a car that possibly could get beat by a less powerful and costly car.

I mean he isnt even factoring in his chassis which has carbon fiber tail gate, hood, wheels, coilovers, exhaust, suspension pieces, duckbill etc.

LOL! Mike u are a moron if u think i have $10k in my car. THEN on top of it you wanna bring up the things on my chassis, that can be argued to anyone elses builds. Example, if h22jones says it only cost him $2000 for everything in his dads car, then i'm not gonna come and say "well thats $2k, now add in the cost of the car itself, plus the wheels, plus this and plus that". Shit mike if that were the case then YES i do have a $10k civic! The car itself cost me $3500 back in 2003! add $400 for rims(from discounttiredirect.com) rougly $4-500 for tires, what was it mike jones, i gave u what $1-200 for the carbon fiber hatch and $150 i think for the duckbill spoiler???, now for the $250 fiber glass hood and add $6-700 S2 suspension etc etc etc...... so u do the math! i have other parts on it as well to add on!

We're not talking about the TOTAL cost of the car and exterior/interior parts with the motor, we are talking about k swap/part prices in 2011! PERIOD! I'm so sorry you think i spent $10k for my k setup

[h22 jones]

I figured it up we have 6,000 in my dads car thats swap car and all. Gregg i have also drove to many track events swapped slicks raced and drove home. That motor was build going on four years ago , over 30,000 miles and has had three different heads with two different sets of cams ( making more power each time). It still pulls the same vacuum as it did the day it was built so dont preach to me about dependability . I like mosely car and i take nothing away from it but i promise you it is no more dependable then mine . Hell i just drove it 2.5 hours put it on the dyno and turned around and drove it home . Stop hanging on moselys k series nuts and prove something yourself . Mosely has ran a 12.2 in the quarter while ive ran a 12.3 . The difference i bet money my car weighs at least 300 pounds more then his if not 400. Mosely it weighs 2,480 pounds with me in it if you want to compare lol.

David thats right i dont stripp my cars and its not a price you have to pay just most do . Sure the si would go faster 300 pounds lighter but then again it would go faster with a h2b kit .

Mosely dont chime in you done gave away the answer but im sure he still want get . Gregg if you can tell me the one reason ( and yes there is only one reason ) the k series will dominate when taken to a certain level ill give you one rep. My bet is you dont even know why your motor is superior lol.

Gregg since you posted it show me this trail of k series street cars (all motor) that run nines and drive home ? Dont happen only in your dreams . The damn pepsie car is running the fastest times in the street car class and its a sponsered car made for the track . If has broke nines its barely and last time i checked it hasnt. I try to teach you something but you stay in your 400hp k series dream world lmao. The simple fact is at our level of racing even the b series can compete because nobody has taken it to another level and that has been proven by disko monkey . Now he can only get so light and only rev so high . Id love to see that car make a high ten second pass but i dont see and i also dont see it staying together. You just cant rev a motor to 10,000 and drive it everyday it will not stay together not even the almighty k.

Honestly there is no more money in my new motor as the motor in my dads si hatch just a different combination of parts. Lets see crower h23 rods cost the same as crower f23 rods but i got more stroke . Hell you can actually get pro 3 cams cheaper then pro 2 cams like i said motors cost the same thing just different combination of parts.

For mike well i got a 4.9 diff ,with a b16 1st 2nd and 3rd gear ,gsr 4 ,ls 5 lol all carbon syncros with lsd. I got a tranny for your ass hell i built my tranny for i ever bought parts for my motor lol.

[112480]

I figured it up we have 6,000 in my dads car thats swap car and all. Gregg i have also drove to many track events swapped slicks raced and drove home. That motor was build going on four years ago , over 30,000 miles and has had three different heads with two different sets of cams ( making more power each time). It still pulls the same vacuum as it did the day it was built so dont preach to me about dependability . I like mosely car and i take nothing away from it but i promise you it is no more dependable then mine . Hell i just drove it 2.5 hours put it on the dyno and turned around and drove it home . Stop hanging on moselys k series nuts and prove something yourself . Mosely has ran a 12.2 in the quarter while ive ran a 12.3 . The difference i bet money my car weighs at least 300 pounds more then his if not 400. Mosely it weighs 2,480 pounds with me in it if you want to compare lol.

David thats right i dont stripp my cars and its not a price you have to pay just most do . Sure the si would go faster 300 pounds lighter but then again it would go faster with a h2b kit .

Mosely dont chime in you done gave away the answer but im sure he still want get . Gregg if you can tell me the one reason ( and yes there is only one reason ) the k series will dominate when taken to a certain level ill give you one rep. My bet is you dont even know why your motor is superior lol.

Gregg since you posted it show me this trail of k series street cars (all motor) that run nines and drive home ? Dont happen only in your dreams . The damn pepsie car is running the fastest times in the street car class and its a sponsered car made for the track . If has broke nines its barely and last time i checked it hasnt. I try to teach you something but you stay in your 400hp k series dream world lmao. The simple fact is at our level of racing even the b series can compete because nobody has taken it to another level and that has been proven by disko monkey . Now he can only get so light and only rev so high . Id love to see that car make a high ten second pass but i dont see and i also dont see it staying together. You just cant rev a motor to 10,000 and drive it everyday it will not stay together not even the almighty k.

Honestly there is no more money in my new motor as the motor in my dads si hatch just a different combination of parts. Lets see crower h23 rods cost the same as crower f23 rods but i got more stroke . Hell you can actually get pro 3 cams cheaper then pro 2 cams like i said motors cost the same thing just different combination of parts.

For mike well i got a 4.9 diff ,with a b16 1st 2nd and 3rd gear ,gsr 4 ,ls 5 lol all carbon syncros with lsd. I got a tranny for your ass hell i built my tranny for i ever bought parts for my motor lol.

Um mike, i didnt say UR car cant drive to an event and drive home did I??? Please show me if i did and i said there ARE NOT many(very few) k guys here in Ga/AL to show other wise at the track. So ur little fit about me proving you wrong doesnt matter cause if you fell that confident, why dont we take a trip up to NY/NJ to one of their track events next year! I WILL PAY FOR YOUR GAS GOING UP THERE! Put ur dads,ur car or any other h2b build you've done and race those K guys and lets see how many wins u'll get!!

I bet u here and now. if u can win 3 out of 10 races with them I'll give you $300(100 per race). Until then, i dont want to hear it. I basically was saying down here in the south the B and H's, appear/are superior becuase the lack of K cars! So dont damn tell people that ur h2b builds are mroe superior because you dont have a nice stream line of k cars you've raced to base that opinion off of! In that case i can bring up countless of youtube vids with k breaking allmotor records all day long. Show me the h2b vids at the track or on the street of h2b beating not 1 or 2 or 3 but countless number of k cars. Exactly! u wont find it!

And what 400whp dream world do u speak of?? Last time i checked it was done(380-400) by a few race teams now. Wheres the 400whp h2b???????? Yes i said race teams. on the street with the average person 350whp can be acheived with no problem, but lets see....when was the last time we saw a 300whp h2b floating around.......thinking.....thinking................ .............thinging.............oh thats right WE HAVENT! Stop confusing ur 300whp h2b world with reality jones!

Now ur tranny(4.9fd with b16 1st,2nd,3rd,gsr4,ls5th) sounds stout man. but when we race i dont wanna hear no "i gotta stop at 100 bullshit!" 40-120!!

Oh and if u were faster than Moseley then i would be swinging on ur nuts instead of his

[boosted347]

holy fuck if these cars running 12s have 15k in im def never doing a k swap lol...no offense to moseley a 12.2 in an na 4 cylinder is very impressive but damn i dont have but maybe and thats a big maybe 15k in my cars build lol...im not 100% on what my car runs on slicks yet but ill find out soon maybe one day ill make it up that way and get some runs in with moseley, and maybe greg if he is around

[h22 jones]

holy fuck if these cars running 12s have 15k in im def never doing a k swap lol...no offense to moseley a 12.2 in an na 4 cylinder is very impressive but damn i dont have but maybe and thats a big maybe 15k in my cars build lol...im not 100% on what my car runs on slicks yet but ill find out soon maybe one day ill make it up that way and get some runs in with moseley, and maybe greg if he is around

Ive never said it was cheap to build a honda lol. Ive said its cheaper for me to build a h series lol. On a side note all this talk about threwing 6,000 in a mustange and runnning 10s,or 11s im sorry but i have to agree with mosely thats bull shit . Ive been around and i can name three people that i know that can build a cheap fast mustange everybody else threws alot of money to run 13s at best and think there fast thats just how it is. Hell i remeber the last time i went to the track . I lined up beside a notch back with a cage ,big ass slicks ,purging the gas ,wearing helmet . Man this thing has a perfect paint job guages every were . Honestly i was thinking shit why did i line up next to him then he backed up didnt wanna race and the guy telling us to go started teasing him (whats wrong you scared of a four cylinder lol). I was like shit just shut up man this car is going to kill me . He pulled on up but not wanting to . I cut a good light ran a 12.4 i think to his 12.7 . That was a trailered in strait race car . Yes a joke i know but there are alot of choustons out sorry but its true.

[boosted347]

Ive never said it was cheap to build a honda lol. Ive said its cheaper for me to build a h series lol. On a side note all this talk about threwing 6,000 in a mustange and runnning 10s,or 11s im sorry but i have to agree with mosely thats bull shit . Ive been around and i can name three people that i know that can build a cheap fast mustange everybody else threws alot of money to run 13s at best and think there fast thats just how it is. Hell i remeber the last time i went to the track . I lined up beside a notch back with a cage ,big ass slicks ,purging the gas ,wearing helmet . Man this thing has a perfect paint job guages every were . Honestly i was thinking shit why did i line up next to him then he backed up didnt wanna race and the guy telling us to go started teasing him (whats wrong you scared of a four cylinder lol). I was like shit just shut up man this car is going to kill me . He pulled on up but not wanting to . I cut a good light ran a 12.4 i think to his 12.7 . That was a trailered in strait race car . Yes a joke i know but there are alot of choustons out sorry but its true.

I could throw up a list of my build and costs, i get free labor being my parents own a shop...but a rough guesstimate would be i have 18-20ik in the whole car (thats including the running car when i got it)...i weigh 4000 lbs and still went 12.2 at 126 with a 2.4 60' on drag radials, thats on stock suspension, full weight, no burnout...ill be going on slicks this fall and aiming to match my trap speed with an equal et drop my setup in a fox which would knock about 2-3k off the cost of the car and its a 11.5 car on drs all day no problem. A fox weighs about 800 lbs less than my convertible so thats almost a full second if you get traction and you can def get a fox into the 11s for 6k heres how
Fox Shell- $2000 for a nice one lol
302 short block- $600 brand new
TFS top end kit- $2500
Nitrous Kit- $500
Slicks- $500
Of course you could go the used route and do it cheaper, its very doable

[1civic]

Well i hope this lights A fire under someones ass to bring a K series out, to not only run some 11 passes, but also win the event in Nov. Still more than enough time, until then a B series will keep on winning!!

[Vteckidd]

If 10 second mustang's were $6000 everyone would have one

[David88vert]

You can get a foxbody shell for a grand all day long of CL, usually even lower.
You can buy a used forged 408w (351w block bored up to a 408) for around $3k used all day long. Put a good carb w/intake on it for $500. Add 28" slicks and 4:10s, and a used built C4 (about $1K) with tranny swap parts and converter. That's $6K and will run 10's all day long all motor, and be reliable.
Build a nice nitrous kit with fuel supply for less than $1K more, and you can go 9's. It's been done plenty of times. Not that is a car without AC, PS, etc, and not a daily driver, but very doable.
You can find all of this on Corral any day of the week.

Shell - 1000 or less
used 408 - 3000 or less
used C4 swap - 1000
used 28x10.5 slicks - 150
used rear draglights - 300
4.10 gear swap - 250
carb and intake - 500
That's 6300 for an all motor 10 sec foxbody. The 351 block is good for 750rwhp easily, and can make 500rwhp all motor in a 408 with no trouble. 250 shot is no big deal to it. Theres a forged 408 for sale for $3000 in Warner Robins right now on CL, and plenty of chassis.

Or you can buy the roller in AL that has everything already , but a bad motor. He is asking 5500, but offer 4500 and he'll probably take it. Then buy a used 302. Last one I bought was less than 500, and ran perfectly. If you get the car cheap, you could even spend a little more on a bigger bored 8.2 deck motor.

If you want a 6000 foxbody that runs 10s, you can certainly do it.

[Vteckidd]

Then I'm giving you $6000 :p

[David88vert]

Then I'm giving you $6000 :p

Mine originally only cost me $6k, and was already superchaged. Mine isn't for sale, but if you have $6k, you can go buy that one in AL, and a motor from Coupe Performance, and be up and running. If you negotiate well, you might not even get your hands dirty and be at $6k.

Good rule of thumb.
8.2 deck = 302 stock block = semi-safe power on pump about 500rwhp when built
9.5 deck = 351 stock block = semi-safe power on pump about 750rwhp when built
Obviously, you can get more if you pour the block, or do a few extras, but street cars won't usually have that.

Mustangs are easy to make power on. Just add the smallest Vortech, a SC trim like I have, and you can make 300rwhp with everything stock. That's enouhg power to get into the high 12's right there. You can pick up used Vortech kits for $2K all day long, and a clean stock foxbody for under $4K.
There is a 92 LX for $3K OBO right now on CL in Dallas, GA that has 5 lug conversion, Moser axles, 3.73 gear, etc. Could use a paint job. If you paid $2500 for it, then put $1500 into paint, and then added slicks and spray, you would be under $6k, and would be able to do low 11's at least - and still be dependable.

[h22 jones]

Im not saying it cant be done but just like you could do that and i can build my car for 6,000 it cost the 90 percent of people that dont know or cant work on there own shit 3 times that .

If i wasnt planning on building my new setup from the get go i would have put the si in the mid elevens easily just didnt want that low of gearing to drive everyday. If you lived in macon you would see my dad in the si hatch atleast four days a week . Im serious he drives it every damn day so when i say its a dd i mean its a dd. Unless he is going to the hunting club he is in his hatch . Hell my new motor has the potential to do shit that nobady around here has done with a all motor car but i willl never do it because i care nothing about having a stripped out hatch . I like my shit nice and to feel good riding in it . So i will make 300 hp with ac coming very soon .

[David88vert]

Im not saying it cant be done but just like you could do that and i can build my car for 6,000 it cost the 90 percent of people that dont know or cant work on there own shit 3 times that .

I intentionally did not add in labor costs, just like no one added the labor costs in for doing a k-swap. We all know that labor adds up, but it sure seems like the k swap would take more, as there are more items to change.

[112480]

I intentionally did not add in labor costs, just like no one added the labor costs in for doing a k-swap. We all know that labor adds up, but it sure seems like the k swap would take more, as there are more items to change.

Exactly david! But when i point out REALISTIC k swap/part prices for everyone on K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM, guys like vteckidd and h22jones will go to the labor cost and such becuase they simply can not stand for someone to prove them wrong. they ALWAYS have to be right.lol

[Vteckidd]

Exactly david! But when i point out REALISTIC k swap/part prices for everyone on K20A.ORG AND CLUBRSX.COM, guys like vteckidd and h22jones will go to the labor cost and such becuase they simply can not stand for someone to prove them wrong. they ALWAYS have to be right.lol

I gues the difference is i prefer to use new parts vs hunting down EP3 8 year old idler pullies and rigging stuff together just so i can say i have a Kswap. I never said you couldnt find deals or do things on the cheap, but im sorry your flat out wrong that a K Series costs so much cheaper. its simply NOT TRUE and anyone that does one in their car knows that, except you. You dont want to admit how much money you have purely because of EGO. Because you got beat by a 2.0, because you dont make within 20whp of Matts car, etc. Youre all talk gregg you always have been.

This is just more of the same from you. YAP YAP YAP LIE LIE LIE

tell you what, answer 3 questions:

1) How much money do YOU CLAIM you ahve in your K Series build. The initial swap and parts plus the rebuild (list labor, and we can factor that out but i just want to know)

2) How much would you tell a kid at a meet it COSTS to do a K Series swap in their 95 EG

3) Would you do the swap for him for that price

Thanks

[05dc5s]

[boosted347]

[k_killaGSR]

[Apex1972]

best post in the whole EPIC thread.

[Moseley]

^^ AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

[Moseley]

no offense mike but I'm a little skeptical of this 300whp number. making 300whp requires a certain amount of wtq at a certain rpm. so take your pick:

300whp = 210wtq @ 7500
300whp = 196wtq @ 8000
300whp = 185wtq @ 8500
300whp = 175wtq @ 9000

looking at those numbers it is obvious that the easiest way to make 300whp with a honda is to rev it to 9k and still be making at least 175wtq at that rpm. But when stroke, rod length, or compression are changed... the cam requirement of the engine is changed also. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't expect a cam that makes 250whp on a stock stroke, to be worth a damn on a bottom end with different geometry, no matter how awesome the bottom end is, you might only see 5-10whp. I also hope you aren't planning on the 196wtq @ 8000 route... because that would be more VE than a cammed K20, and with a longer stroke that is pretty much impossible.

So on a legit dyno jet, I think 270-280whp from an H is pretty feasible. but just like 1/4 mile times, every little bit is more and more difficult to achieve. I'd expect it to take a perfect cam for the application, 13:1 or higher, proper fuel like Q16, perfect header and intake manifold, all dialed in... and at least 2.4L to have an H make 300whp. the only reason I say that is because it takes many of those same things to have a K make a legit 300whp, and I would expect the H to be a little more difficult due to the head design.

[Vteckidd]

no offense mike but I'm a little skeptical of this 300whp number. making 300whp requires a certain amount of wtq at a certain rpm. so take your pick:

I hate to say "I TOLD YOU SO" but remember when i said something a few months ago and all the midnight guys jumped all over me. it was something like

No B Series makes over 250
No H Series makes over 270

K series are making over 300 in simple builds.

There are maybe 10 or less motors that have eclipsed the 300whp mark in a B Series in the history of their engines. There are maybe 10-20 cars making that power with an H Series.

There are probably 100+ making over 300 with a K Series.

Look at the local cars. Matt making over 300whp, Gregg was knocking on 300whp (no pun intended), Midnight claims over 300 or right next to it. There isnt a B Series in GA right now that can prove they make over 230. There isnt an H making over Jones 252, and i would venture to say besides his there prob isnt one making over 240.

Speaking of 250whp B Series, its september, wheres that motor at? still waiting on a clutch