K series guys ( well mainly gregg lol)

[DarKStaR]

no offense mike but I'm a little skeptical of this 300whp number. making 300whp requires a certain amount of wtq at a certain rpm. so take your pick:

300whp = 210wtq @ 7500
300whp = 196wtq @ 8000
300whp = 185wtq @ 8500
300whp = 175wtq @ 9000

looking at those numbers it is obvious that the easiest way to make 300whp with a honda is to rev it to 9k and still be making at least 175wtq at that rpm. But when stroke, rod length, or compression are changed... the cam requirement of the engine is changed also. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't expect a cam that makes 250whp on a stock stroke, to be worth a damn on a bottom end with different geometry, no matter how awesome the bottom end is, you might only see 5-10whp. I also hope you aren't planning on the 196wtq @ 8000 route... because that would be more VE than a cammed K20, and with a longer stroke that is pretty much impossible.

So on a legit dyno jet, I think 270-280whp from an H is pretty feasible. but just like 1/4 mile times, every little bit is more and more difficult to achieve. I'd expect it to take a perfect cam for the application, 13:1 or higher, proper fuel like Q16, perfect header and intake manifold, all dialed in... and at least 2.4L to have an H make 300whp. the only reason I say that is because it takes many of those same things to have a K make a legit 300whp, and I would expect the H to be a little more difficult due to the head design.

300whp should be able to be done with a 89x97mm pro 3 setup

actually some of these are local shops in NY beating randy. it really doesnt matter how many people are building a motor there is only so much that can be done to a motor, rnady knows his shit so it wouldnt make a difference if he built his motor or if he had 20 people help him. randy isnt the only h2b running in his class there other h2b set ups running in his class i just used him because he is the quickest. there is a reason why people go K and its because its just a superior motor, bigger motor, better flowing head and better tech. K series are more reliable, also randy blew his motor that went 10.5 while these k's running 10.2's are still running. randy uses custom pistons and has custom work done on his head by brad at RLZ (they are good friends) and we all know RLZ does some of the best work in the states. el freddy has his rwd civic running 7's its running a k series. for a reg street person who doesnt have their own shop and alot of money and no patience then h2b is the way to go. K series is expensive but if you have patience then you can slowly put one together and spank anybody at the meets. if you roll up to a local meet with a k24/20 frank motor with bolt ons, k pro and a tune no h2b at that meet will beat you unless they are BUILT or boosted. i like h2b's they are great frank setups to have, has alot of tq and are fast shit here in NC theres a h2b with just bolts ons and a tune running 12.4's using a b16 tranny with m factory FD on slicks but k is still superior. all im saying is stock for stock K wins and fully built vs fully built K wins again so K FTMFW!

this is what happens when h2b trys to run k24 frank setup at the meets. these are two locals here in the charlotte area. the h2b has a built block with high compression pistons, full bolt ons, the head has full valvetrain with jun III cams , its tuned running a type R tranny and the k24 is a k24 block with k20a2 head full bolt ons and k pro tuned. since this video the h2b got a port and polish and is running 11's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxjoo2Qpc0s

This argument can go on for days just like the mustang vs civic topic. Randy's setup was nothing special, had a stroker kit that anyone can get and custom pistons that were "max dome" that im sure anyone could order, off the shelf cams, ported head, and custom header and intake.

[Vteckidd]

300whp should be able to be done with a 89x97mm pro 3 setup

When the highest whp setup locally is 252, thats dreaming. Hit 270, 280, 290 before you talk about 50WHP gains from stroke and cams. No offense but i dont see that happeneing any time soon i dont give a shit what some guy on HT made

[112480]

300whp should be able to be done with a 89x97mm pro 3 setup

Oh really joey? then why matt(05dc5s) is making 290whp pump gas(for now) with a 89x99mm? his motor is well built with OFF THE SHELF parts and still didnt crack 300whp(for now) so what makes u think a 89x97mm pro3 setup will?? In that case, why build a k when u can make 300whp on a h2b? understand joey, i'm not saying it isnt possible. of course it is! But i rather have a off the self 300whp K with the potential to make A LOT more power and still be a DD then have a 300whp h2b that is realistically NOT a DD. Yes u CAN DD a 300whp h2b but the reality is ur not going too!

Joey did mike jones ever tell you what i told him the guy with the h2b down here in Mobile that runs 12.2/12.3 at ISD said??? About 3 weeks ago when we were at the 1/8 mile track in Irvington,AL his car messed up. He said he thinks he burned up some valves and said his car kept running lean as hell all night long. why did he keep running? i dont know. but he said the next day he will take the motor out and put in higher com pistion(just 11:5 i think) and pro 3's vs his blox whatever. but its funny what he told me and you can ask him yourself when u see him in Nov at ISD.

He told me that when he HAD AN H TRANS ON HIS SETUP HIS CAR MADE 238WHP. And when he put the B16 TRANS ON IT MADE 228WHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now why would he lie to me about it?? Ask him for urself if you dont believe me. He was serious. he wasnt trying to downplay his car or anything but when i told him about mikejones claims of 300whp with pro3's and head work etc etc , he even said "no way"!! Matter of fact when i told him that, thats when he told me he made 238 on the H trans and 228 on the B16 trans. NOW!, he DID say that even though he made 10whp LESS on the b16 trans, his car got a FULL sec FASTER at the track just by putting the b16 trans on but as far as power, it set him back 10whp

Now joey his car is still fast!....matter of fact i think i'll go by TDC today and talk to him to see whats up with his car.

[h22 jones]

Oh really joey? then why matt(05dc5s) is making 290whp pump gas(for now) with a 89x99mm? his motor is well built with OFF THE SHELF parts and still didnt crack 300whp(for now) so what makes u think a 89x97mm pro3 setup will?? In that case, why build a k when u can make 300whp on a h2b? understand joey, i'm not saying it isnt possible. of course it is! But i rather have a off the self 300whp K with the potential to make A LOT more power and still be a DD then have a 300whp h2b that is realistically NOT a DD. Yes u CAN DD a 300whp h2b but the reality is ur not going too!

Joey did mike jones ever tell you what i told him the guy with the h2b down here in Mobile that runs 12.2/12.3 at ISD said??? About 3 weeks ago when we were at the 1/8 mile track in Irvington,AL his car messed up. He said he thinks he burned up some valves and said his car kept running lean as hell all night long. why did he keep running? i dont know. but he said the next day he will take the motor out and put in higher com pistion(just 11:5 i think) and pro 3's vs his blox whatever. but its funny what he told me and you can ask him yourself when u see him in Nov at ISD.

He told me that when he HAD AN H TRANS ON HIS SETUP HIS CAR MADE 238WHP. And when he put the B16 TRANS ON IT MADE 228WHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now why would he lie to me about it?? Ask him for urself if you dont believe me. He was serious. he wasnt trying to downplay his car or anything but when i told him about mikejones claims of 300whp with pro3's and head work etc etc , he even said "no way"!! Matter of fact when i told him that, thats when he told me he made 238 on the H trans and 228 on the B16 trans. NOW!, he DID say that even though he made 10whp LESS on the b16 trans, his car got a FULL sec FASTER at the track just by putting the b16 trans on but as far as power, it set him back 10whp

Now joey his car is still fast!....matter of fact i think i'll go by TDC today and talk to him to see whats up with his car.

He also says his car is down 20hp lol. Dont use the only man in history to lose power going h2b to compare anything with lol. We will see and im glad everybody thinks all i got is a little more stroke and a little bigger cam lol i know what it takes and i will be close very soon.

[boosted347]

He also says his car is down 20hp lol. Dont use the only man in history to lose power going h2b to compare anything with lol. We will see and im glad everybody thinks all i got is a little more stroke and a little bigger cam lol i know what it takes and i will be close very soon.

Do it to it man...prove em wrong shut em up and then wax that ass lol