Quote Originally Posted by sport_122
My point is:

If you believe that all experiences are based off of personal belief (as you said) then you would NOT try to flame people for having a different perspective than yours because you would have to also agree that you have NOT had their personal experience.

The theist would not be weak minded (as you portray) , and THEIR logic would be a suitable enough reason for them to believe in God. But you make statements like "I simply had a mind of my own and can see that it is BS."

So explain your logic to me, when you say that its up to the person, but the people that believe in religion are BS. You have just admitted to not understanding their logic, but at the same time you tell them it is wrong? That is illogical to me. For us car guys, its like someone hearing your turbo or blow of valve and telling you something is wrong with the engine. They make a statement out of ignorance to the subject.

YOU have said that YOUR opinion comes from YOUR experience, but when the same argument is given from the other side, ALL of a sudden its not good enough.

So maybe you did make the same point as I, but then you proved that your own way of thinking is subject to the same criticism that you made against the other side.

SO as a person who believes in an eternal God who reveals himself to us in many different ways. My reason for believing in God is because great things have happened in my life, I have had experiences that I would define as supernatural, and because I drink the cool aid and it tastes OH so good. I am not a believer because I fear hell, I am a believer because I embrace heaven.

As someone who claims that its a personal opinion then that should be more than enough for you...

of course that is if you in fact do say that belief is subjective. If it is then it cannot be wrong to you. If it is not, then you need to realize that it is no longer subjective which means their is a universal truth somewhere. And you cannot define a universal truth if you are going to ignore the existence of an eternal, and that is why I believe that logic is grounded in the eternal through the revelation (or advancement of understanding) of our universe.

I surely hope you have something better to say than EPIC FAIL, because for a person who claims that believers are BS you should have a much better reason, than the ones you have given that are only based on your experience, because I believe mine to be universal to everyone who has ever functioned on this planet.
Wow, all that for little ole me?? LOL. I completely agree that I can't "flame" anyone because they are using the method to come up with their belief as I do. However, if you would read one of my earliar posts, you would see that the person in question getting "flamed" responded to my post first. When my post was stated several times IMO. So because that person responded to a post that required no response, they were also responded too. If you can't take having your reasoning criticized...then you are on the wrong board.

Quote Originally Posted by sport_122
SO as a person who believes in an eternal God who reveals himself to us in many different ways. My reason for believing in God is because great things have happened in my life, I have had experiences that I would define as supernatural, and because I drink the cool aid and it tastes OH so good. I am not a believer because I fear hell, I am a believer because I embrace heaven.
And now I will respond to your post since you have responded to me. Once again, you believe in God because great things have happened to you? So what about all the people that don't believe and still have all those great things happen? God can't be doing because we don't believe in God. What about all the believers that go through life without great things happening to them? What, their faith is not as strong as yours? Give me a break. Everytime something great happens to you, you automatically chalk it up to God. So, do you chalk up any bad things to the Devil? So yes, IMO that is very weak minded and nieve. Since I have great things happen to me almost everyday, I am now going to start saying it is because I do not believe God exists and life is rewarding me for not being so stupid.