To make 200whp+.... what's required?

[112480]

I'm not gonna argue but I know what you spent l your d series, your b series parts didn't just magcally appear in your garage nor did the d series parts there is a cost associated regardless.

Yea mike, the association is there BUT that was for those builds! I'm soely talking about money out of MY pocket as of date for the k series.cost association can go the same for b and h series guys also. But they wouldn't talk about the "Initial" cost of their builds. They will simply tell u what THEY PAID FOR IT OUT OF POCKET AS OF THAT DATE, which is only fair/right.

[Vteckidd]

Just finish it I want a ride :p

[112480]

Just finish it I want a ride :p

YES SIR

[112480]

come on man trading shit thats worth money is still spending money and you have yet to answer any of my questions mr sarcastic do you get your finger nails dirty or are you buying a bunch of shit that somebody else has hoping to make the same power they do by bolting them together im just trying to see if you got what it takes to build a 270 motor car and nas far as i can see since you keep dodging questions is your full of shit. I bet for every motor on here that gets built there is 15 more people that spent there 10 thousand dollar credit card bought a bunch of nice shit took pictures of it bragged about making 270 hp and parted it off 6 months later cause they dont have a clue what there doing and not enough money to finish PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT. Now your gonna say owe i got the money to pay to finish my car but that doesnt answer the question are you building it yourself or do you have a reputable shop doing it . Holding up nice cams means nothing to me man the cams in my car are 6 years old came out of a customers car that decided to go with pro2 i mean if nyou wanna get down to swapping i have 800 dollars in my motor lol ni almost have as much in getting it tunned as building it but we are talking about the average joe that has to purchase everything and k series are exspensive. You cant get on here and say hey man my grandma wrtecked her rsx gave me the motor and i built it you just got to be patient and you can build one for cheap lol come on get real. Is that your car in your sig cause about three pages ago a guy said something about you putting your motor in and taking it back out to build it and you said no you building it firts so if thats not even your car in your sig then thats just funny as shit man and explains everything . Your buddys might think since you have a bunch of high priced shit laying around that your king of the streets but not here and my offer stands 4000 build two motors see what they do i got a few hatch bodies ill let you use one so we can keep the weight the same what you wanna do you get your deals and i get mine?

LOL!! Yes i get my fingers dirty and NO I HAVENT SEEN MY SETUP AND JUST DECIDED TO COPY IT IN HOPES OF A BIG NUMBER! And as for my sig, i like the picture so i put it in my sig. Who in the Hell said i had to put my shit in the sig??? Its just a damn picture. And i got those pics of me holding my cams from my k20a.org thread just showing them off since noone has posted Go-power products on there yet. I just wanted to show them NOT brag about them.

AND U CAN BUILD A K SWAP FOR CHEAP!! SORRY U DONT THINK SO. but ur entitled to UR opinion! I know what i've paid so thats that. And Mainstream is putting it together for me.

[h22 jones]

well get it together i wanna race lol. On a serious note you going to commerc sunday ? If so ill bring the trunk lid so you can see it. who is doing your head work and are they doing the intake and exaust also just wondering cause i know main stream doesnt since we did scottie one the other day so if you need done let me know ill hook you up . Make sure what ever you do get it done ,intake to match head ,head to match exaust you know the drill if you trying to make that kind of power.

[112480]

On a serious note you going to commerc sunday ? If so ill bring the trunk lid so you can see it.

Yep just pissed like everyone else cause its still a 80% chance of rain.

who is doing your head work and are they doing the intake and exaust also just wondering cause i know main stream doesnt since we did scottie one the other day so if you need done let me know ill hook you up .

Charles at Mainstream is doing it on BOTH intake and exhaust.

Make sure what ever you do get it done ,intake to match head ,head to match exaust you know the drill if you trying to make that kind of power.

Already ahead of u bro

[r.etheridge]

Correct me if im wrong, but this is a NA section of IA right?

k is no longer cool, lol


i made over 250whp and 190 wtq in a SOHC on 12psi.....

agreed

x3

exactly! no need 4 k series for 200whp.... if u want way more do k and build it

[h22 jones]

I didnt know mainstream was doing it when i asked that charles will take care of you and it will be done right im sure.

[Gorilla Eg!]

drop in a k20a and tune it.....any more questions?

[h22 jones]

Yea cause for 6000 dollars you will be oh so cool and oh so fast man any more questions .yea why would you spend 6000 to run low 13 when you could spend 6000 to run low 12 for the average person lol.

[MR.EM1]

fuck a k series..get a j32

[Gorilla Eg!]

bec a k20a is a STOCK motor that makes the power FULLY BUILT b/h-series motor makes, say what you want to, but a factory motor that STARTS OFF making what a built motor MIGHT make is a NO BRAINER......period

[Gorilla Eg!]

Yea cause for 6000 dollars you will be oh so cool and oh so fast man any more questions .yea why would you spend 6000 to run low 13 when you could spend 6000 to run low 12 for the average person lol.

how in the hell are you gettin 34.5 MPG with that much hp?.....props if thats a true number!

[Starrfire]

stock k power is not even close to a fully built h22. They are both about the same power with the same bolt ons except the k has a slight advantage of technology. And even a built b can still destroy a k. Just because they are old doesn't mean they can't go just as fast.

[h22 jones]

Have to ask scottie at mainstream that one I don't tune cars just build them but last tank was 33 one before was 34.5 . I'm sure if I drove the shit out of it alll the time it would be worse but normal driving a dd like your supposed to around 34 and I posted up a thread on here not to long ago seems I'm not the only one getting that kind of gas mileage

[h22 jones]

Are you kidding me stock k series makes the same power fully built h series make that's funnny man stock k and h series make the same power only reason a k series is faster at all is the trany. ]ut a b16 trany on a stock h series and beat a k all day somebody needs to do there home work .

[0\s accord]

bout time i see another d series guy!

Why wait? Im ready now.... Im not a b/h/k/j/f series guy, im actually a d series guy.(But thats not the point)..... Ok listen and listen closely. K swap guys dont talk about b series or h series guys because after spending all the money on the swap and the million things you have to do to get the damn thing to run they realize they still have to build the motor because its still not fast. Im guessing thats what u did, thats why u had the motor in and pulled it back out to build it. (maybe im wrong, but this is most cases)

BTW everybody in this thread is referring to a stock k series or hybrid swap in a civic or what not. You are referring to a built motor swap (completely different) Anything built should be fast. The point isnt that a built k series isnt fast, the point is that to swap a stock k in you couldve been considerably faster. Yes they are new, and look nice in the engine bay, but most ppl will wait until it becomes cheaper. In 3 years i will probably have a stock k series in my sedan, but for now i'll wait.

im tossing u some reps because i like the fact that u stand by what u believe in.....



That says it all...... reps 4 u 2

[bigdare23]

This thread is still alive? LOL

[112480]

This thread is still alive? LOL

YEP

[Catnip]

bec a k20a is a STOCK motor that makes the power FULLY BUILT b/h-series motor makes, say what you want to, but a factory motor that STARTS OFF making what a built motor MIGHT make is a NO BRAINER......period

Last I checked, K20a didn't make 250+whp stock...

[112480]

Stock i/h/e and tune

B-series:
B16: 135-145whp
B18C1: 145-155whp
B18C5: 170-180whp

H22: Actually dont know. LOL! somebody fill this in!

K20A3: 180-190whp
K20A2: 195-205whp
K20A(Type-R): 210-220whp
K24A2:205-210whp BUT with 160-170wtq!

These R STOCK estimates with i/h/e and tune; ie: crome,hondata S2-300,K-Pro,Neptune etc etc blah blah blah

AND it depends on ur location and whos TUNING!! UR CAR!!

[NEMO]

Stock i/h/e and tune

B-series:
B16: 135-145whp
B18C1: 145-155whp
B18C5: 170-180whp

H22: Actually dont know. LOL! somebody fill this in!

K20A3: 180-190whp
K20A2: 195-205whp
K20A(Type-R): 210-220whp
K24A2:205-210whp BUT with 160-170wtq!

These R STOCK estimates with i/h/e and tune; ie: crome,hondata S2-300,K-Pro,Neptune etc etc blah blah blah

AND it depends on ur location and whos TUNING!! UR CAR!!

200-225whp 150-165tq

[Starrfire]

And k20a3's royaly suck. No way with bolt ons they make that kinda power with those mods. The B estimates are kinda low. Personally I've seen less modified b series make more power than that on a low reading dyno. H22 estimate by NEMO is pretty much on the money. Easy power with an h22a. I/E h22a's can make 200 whp, seen it too without a header.

[112480]

And k20a3's royaly suck. No way with bolt ons they make that kinda power with those mods. The B estimates are kinda low. Personally I've seen less modified b series make more power than that on a low reading dyno. H22 estimate by NEMO is pretty much on the money. Easy power with an h22a. I/E h22a's can make 200 whp, seen it too without a header.

Have to diagree wit u on the b series estimates. I've been to MANY MANY dyno days and personal session wit buddies with b16,18c1,18c5 and those r right with i/h/e and crome/neptune/hoondata etc etc.

And NEMO i would LOVE to see a h22a WITH ONLY i/h/e and tune make 225whp! on Mainstream or battleground dyno. NOT balance performance!

[Vteckidd]

Stock ENGINES
B-series:
B16: 135-145whp
B18C1: 145-155whp
B18C5: 170-180whp

H22: 175-185whp

K20A3: 135-140whp
K20A2: 175-185whp
K20A(Type-R): 190-200whp


BOLTONS Meaning $400-500 header 2.5in collector, Intake, Exhaust, NO CAT and a tune

B-series:
B16: 155-165whp
B18C1: 175-185whp
B18C5: 190-200whp

H22: 190-210whp (really depends on the year of the H22)

K20A3: 155-160whp
K20A2: 195-200whp
K20A(Type-R): 200-210whp



You were comparing STOCK B Series hp output with modded K Series output. No K20A3 makes 180-190whp with i/h/e, those motors SUCK ask Chunky. I think the most he ever got out of his was 170s with custom grind cams.

These numbers are backed up by 5-6 cars per category ive personally dynoed or tested.

Brandons RSX Type-S with DC Race header, intake , exhaust, KPRO made 189whp, Josh Greens K20A2 with i/h/e made 200whp, my B18C5 made 198whp, Prelude i did at BG with i/h/e and a tune made 190/155, Eric the old tech from mainstream his EP3 made 135whp STOCK, 150whp with i/h/e. I can go on an on an on

[Vteckidd]

bec a k20a is a STOCK motor that makes the power FULLY BUILT b/h-series motor makes, say what you want to, but a factory motor that STARTS OFF making what a built motor MIGHT make is a NO BRAINER......period

youre smoking crack. AT BEST a K Series motor makes 10-15WHP more than its B series counterpart.

K20A TYPE R engine makes 10-15whp more than B18C5, TOPS. Ive seen plenty of K20A motors make sub 200whp, ive seen plenty of B18C5s make high 180s.

So many people see "K" and they automatically think its some 20-30-40-50whp gain, ITS NOT.

[h22 jones]

For once I realy don't have much to say mike pretty much summed it up but to those who think we are hating on k series were not there great motors with great power we are just hating on what they cost for the power verses what you (most) people have in there stock k series swapes so I prefer the 252 hp for less money simple as that.

[h22 jones]

A h22 type s will make 225 with a h2b kit and bolt ons stock internals . And I feel the same way about them motors over priced for the power but before I dropped the money on a k series I would buy a h22 type s stock for less money and make more power stock and it comes with a great gear ratio trany . Wish I had a m2w4 if anybody has one I will buy it lol.

[teh_mugen18]

This thread is still alive? LOL

haha im just as suprised, i say that to myself every time i still see this thread at the top of the Allmotor forum

[all-mota]

lmao at the tag for this damn thread...


k is gay just sayin!! vteckidd=cocksucker weareallstillslow

[Catnip]

Brandons RSX Type-S with DC Race header, intake , exhaust, KPRO made 189whp

If the DC race RSX header looks the same as a race K-swap header, no wonder it only made 189whp... lol

[scttydb411]

how in the hell are you gettin 34.5 MPG with that much hp?.....props if thats a true number!

it's a true #. his track times and dynosheet prove it. the mileage is all in the tune and how you drive it.

[Vteckidd]

my supercharged ITR CRX that made 240/160 got 32mpg, scotty tuned

[h22 jones]

Ran a 12.3 Friday night at 109 not as fast as I would have liked but I think the times back up the hp .I'm not sure how to prove the mpg but its true I have no reason to lie I could give you the miles per tank of gas and the gallons of the gas tank if you would like.

[112480]

Ran a 12.3 Friday night at 109 not as fast as I would have liked but I think the times back up the hp .I'm not sure how to prove the mpg but its true I have no reason to lie I could give you the miles per tank of gas and the gallons of the gas tank if you would like.

Were u on slicks? what size? Drag radials? what size? Shit if u were on drags then 12.3 is GREAT! Cause wit the right size slicks u know its a 11 sec car all day!

[Vteckidd]

109 is a little low, what was your 60ft?

I think Jones always runs 22s...slicks. 12.3 is fast, its really hard to get into the 11s

[h22 jones]

22 inch slicks . I was trapping almost 111 all night but I couldn't keep enough air in the slicks to hook and trap 111. If I put 14 pounds in the slicks it spun through first but trapped 111 with a 1.9 60 foot. If I put 11 pounds it ran 12.3 spining just a little which was perfect with a 1.79 60 foot time trapping low 109 ill keep playing with it.remember this is not my race car but the si hatch that my dad drives everyday it has no wieght reduction at all . It weighs over 2500 pounds with me in it. It also is running a h series trany not a h2b like I'm running. I would love to see this car hit 11 but I know mine will and we are not willing to tear this car apart to do it.

[h22 jones]

Don't get the wrong idea I drive fairley well as I have been doing this for along time and I try to give as much information as I can so yaw can give your opions . I don't know everything and any advice would be grately appreciated . I'm willing to do anything other than strip the car and go h2b to put this thing in the 11s. I also figured out at the end of the night that it wasn't so much the air pressure in the slicks as the left lane sucked ass so I honestly believe if I would have put 14 pouns and run in the right lane I might have got a little better time but deffently not 11s.

[NEMO]

h22 jones, what kind of suspension are you running? what did you weigh in at? traction bar?

[112480]

What about running 24.5" slicks? U have more than enough to run those.