To make 200whp+.... what's required?

[h22 jones]

For once I realy don't have much to say mike pretty much summed it up but to those who think we are hating on k series were not there great motors with great power we are just hating on what they cost for the power verses what you (most) people have in there stock k series swapes so I prefer the 252 hp for less money simple as that.

[h22 jones]

A h22 type s will make 225 with a h2b kit and bolt ons stock internals . And I feel the same way about them motors over priced for the power but before I dropped the money on a k series I would buy a h22 type s stock for less money and make more power stock and it comes with a great gear ratio trany . Wish I had a m2w4 if anybody has one I will buy it lol.

[bigdare23]

This thread is still alive? LOL

[112480]

This thread is still alive? LOL

YEP

[Catnip]

bec a k20a is a STOCK motor that makes the power FULLY BUILT b/h-series motor makes, say what you want to, but a factory motor that STARTS OFF making what a built motor MIGHT make is a NO BRAINER......period

Last I checked, K20a didn't make 250+whp stock...

[112480]

Stock i/h/e and tune

B-series:
B16: 135-145whp
B18C1: 145-155whp
B18C5: 170-180whp

H22: Actually dont know. LOL! somebody fill this in!

K20A3: 180-190whp
K20A2: 195-205whp
K20A(Type-R): 210-220whp
K24A2:205-210whp BUT with 160-170wtq!

These R STOCK estimates with i/h/e and tune; ie: crome,hondata S2-300,K-Pro,Neptune etc etc blah blah blah

AND it depends on ur location and whos TUNING!! UR CAR!!

[NEMO]

Stock i/h/e and tune

B-series:
B16: 135-145whp
B18C1: 145-155whp
B18C5: 170-180whp

H22: Actually dont know. LOL! somebody fill this in!

K20A3: 180-190whp
K20A2: 195-205whp
K20A(Type-R): 210-220whp
K24A2:205-210whp BUT with 160-170wtq!

These R STOCK estimates with i/h/e and tune; ie: crome,hondata S2-300,K-Pro,Neptune etc etc blah blah blah

AND it depends on ur location and whos TUNING!! UR CAR!!

200-225whp 150-165tq

[teh_mugen18]

This thread is still alive? LOL

haha im just as suprised, i say that to myself every time i still see this thread at the top of the Allmotor forum

[Starrfire]

And k20a3's royaly suck. No way with bolt ons they make that kinda power with those mods. The B estimates are kinda low. Personally I've seen less modified b series make more power than that on a low reading dyno. H22 estimate by NEMO is pretty much on the money. Easy power with an h22a. I/E h22a's can make 200 whp, seen it too without a header.

[112480]

And k20a3's royaly suck. No way with bolt ons they make that kinda power with those mods. The B estimates are kinda low. Personally I've seen less modified b series make more power than that on a low reading dyno. H22 estimate by NEMO is pretty much on the money. Easy power with an h22a. I/E h22a's can make 200 whp, seen it too without a header.

Have to diagree wit u on the b series estimates. I've been to MANY MANY dyno days and personal session wit buddies with b16,18c1,18c5 and those r right with i/h/e and crome/neptune/hoondata etc etc.

And NEMO i would LOVE to see a h22a WITH ONLY i/h/e and tune make 225whp! on Mainstream or battleground dyno. NOT balance performance!

[Vteckidd]

Stock ENGINES
B-series:
B16: 135-145whp
B18C1: 145-155whp
B18C5: 170-180whp

H22: 175-185whp

K20A3: 135-140whp
K20A2: 175-185whp
K20A(Type-R): 190-200whp


BOLTONS Meaning $400-500 header 2.5in collector, Intake, Exhaust, NO CAT and a tune

B-series:
B16: 155-165whp
B18C1: 175-185whp
B18C5: 190-200whp

H22: 190-210whp (really depends on the year of the H22)

K20A3: 155-160whp
K20A2: 195-200whp
K20A(Type-R): 200-210whp



You were comparing STOCK B Series hp output with modded K Series output. No K20A3 makes 180-190whp with i/h/e, those motors SUCK ask Chunky. I think the most he ever got out of his was 170s with custom grind cams.

These numbers are backed up by 5-6 cars per category ive personally dynoed or tested.

Brandons RSX Type-S with DC Race header, intake , exhaust, KPRO made 189whp, Josh Greens K20A2 with i/h/e made 200whp, my B18C5 made 198whp, Prelude i did at BG with i/h/e and a tune made 190/155, Eric the old tech from mainstream his EP3 made 135whp STOCK, 150whp with i/h/e. I can go on an on an on

[Catnip]

Brandons RSX Type-S with DC Race header, intake , exhaust, KPRO made 189whp

If the DC race RSX header looks the same as a race K-swap header, no wonder it only made 189whp... lol

[all-mota]

lmao at the tag for this damn thread...


k is gay just sayin!! vteckidd=cocksucker weareallstillslow

[Vteckidd]

my supercharged ITR CRX that made 240/160 got 32mpg, scotty tuned

[h22 jones]

Ran a 12.3 Friday night at 109 not as fast as I would have liked but I think the times back up the hp .I'm not sure how to prove the mpg but its true I have no reason to lie I could give you the miles per tank of gas and the gallons of the gas tank if you would like.

[112480]

Ran a 12.3 Friday night at 109 not as fast as I would have liked but I think the times back up the hp .I'm not sure how to prove the mpg but its true I have no reason to lie I could give you the miles per tank of gas and the gallons of the gas tank if you would like.

Were u on slicks? what size? Drag radials? what size? Shit if u were on drags then 12.3 is GREAT! Cause wit the right size slicks u know its a 11 sec car all day!

[Vteckidd]

109 is a little low, what was your 60ft?

I think Jones always runs 22s...slicks. 12.3 is fast, its really hard to get into the 11s

[h22 jones]

22 inch slicks . I was trapping almost 111 all night but I couldn't keep enough air in the slicks to hook and trap 111. If I put 14 pounds in the slicks it spun through first but trapped 111 with a 1.9 60 foot. If I put 11 pounds it ran 12.3 spining just a little which was perfect with a 1.79 60 foot time trapping low 109 ill keep playing with it.remember this is not my race car but the si hatch that my dad drives everyday it has no wieght reduction at all . It weighs over 2500 pounds with me in it. It also is running a h series trany not a h2b like I'm running. I would love to see this car hit 11 but I know mine will and we are not willing to tear this car apart to do it.

[h22 jones]

Don't get the wrong idea I drive fairley well as I have been doing this for along time and I try to give as much information as I can so yaw can give your opions . I don't know everything and any advice would be grately appreciated . I'm willing to do anything other than strip the car and go h2b to put this thing in the 11s. I also figured out at the end of the night that it wasn't so much the air pressure in the slicks as the left lane sucked ass so I honestly believe if I would have put 14 pouns and run in the right lane I might have got a little better time but deffently not 11s.

[NEMO]

h22 jones, what kind of suspension are you running? what did you weigh in at? traction bar?

[112480]

What about running 24.5" slicks? U have more than enough to run those.

[NEMO]

What about running 24.5" slicks? U have more than enough to run those.

thats what i was thinking

[all-mota]

24.5's about 10lbs in slicks if they don't leak air and you should be good to go

[h22 jones]

Last time I weighed with different slicks but should be close 2450 pounds with me in it . I wiegh 220 lol but I'm 6`6" so 220 is actualy what I'm supposed to weigh lol. If I run 24.5 inch slick its going to kill my gear ratio I'm running a h series trany not the greatest gear setup. I realy like the h2b setup cause with a b16 trany and 24.5 it puts your gear ratio right back were mine is now but with bigger slicks . My dad doesn't wanna go h2b so have to do something different. It had a m2b4 lsd trany in it but every now and then I didn't wanna go in fourth so we put a t2t4 trany in it why we fixed that one . A t2t4 trany has the same gear ratio as a 5 gen prelude trany it sucks so maybe putting the m2b4 trany back in it will help out some its fixed now so ill put it back in soon enough. I'm hopeing that I can get traction with the 22-9 slicks with 14 pounds with good track prep.

[h22 jones]

I don't have a traction bar but I thought that was mainly for wheel hop which I have none of. I'm running cheap coil overs with cute accord springs which are realy stiff and disperses the weight pretty good . I wanted 1.7 60 foot times and that's were I'm at and I'm not launching at 8000 so its not realy hard on the car. I mean the car leave strait no wheel hop and when it hooks I couldn't ask for anything better just for a little more air in the slicks. Maybe ill lower the launch limiter 500 and put 14 pounds in the slicks so I can get my trap speed back up. If I can get it to hook and trap 111 it should be real close to a 11 second car . Any ideas on weight reduction with out cutting the car up and this car has ac and heat so I don't wanna sacrfise that either lol yea I know sounds stupid but when yaw sweating in the staging lanes I want be lol.

[112480]

Any ideas on weight reduction with out cutting the car up and this car has ac and heat so I don't wanna sacrfise that either lol yea I know sounds stupid but when yaw sweating in the staging lanes I want be lol.

Well the usual c.f this, c.f that, front seats for aluminum ones or real light bucket seats, lexan(FAL) rear hatch window etc etc..............

[Jenson]

Sounds like if you went on a well prepped track day you could hook up with the 22's.

[SPOOLIN]

traction bars don't help wheel hop, they keep a slick from ripping your front bumper off. Ask Josh Green

[ejohnson88]

Someone asked earlier what my car does in the 1/4... so just for some updated news.... new best time on streets is a 13.90 @ 103.2... All that from a barely 195 hp 2500lb coupe ( low end guesstimate). The 350z that i roasted from the dig on out wasn't very happy about that run haha... He even brought along a passenger, which made it even funnier when he ran a 14.94 haha >.<