To make 200whp+.... what's required?

[Vteckidd]

Oh and Jones is one of the nicest guys ive ever met, his point is basically just that hes got a relatively inexpensive engine that makes 250+whp.

Again like i said before
1) ITS NOT ALL ABOUT NUMBERS, ive beaten and seen people get beat PLENTY of times when they were making "more hp"
2) Dyno Graphs mean nothing, they neglect to show you weight, gearing, etc
3) K Series are more expensive than any other engine to build or swap, PERIOD. The old technology still can compete with the new stuff in terms of HP/$
4) K20A.Org is full of shit and so is Nikos, 99% of Nikos graphs are a rolling advertisement for IPS you will NOT SEE THE NUMBER HERE IN GA that they see on those forums. Ask Chunky and anyone else with a K Series why they dyno 15-20whp less in Atlanta than anywhere else but B Series dont do that. Wonder Why? Its cause the K Series guys are way more caught up in numbers because they have something to prove for their investment IMO
5) TQ doesnt really mean that much from a roll race
6) This is all just bullshit talk really as no one in here (including me) has anything to race, well maybe Baby J and Jones can run lol

[teh_mugen18]

Oh and Jones is one of the nicest guys ive ever met, his point is basically just that hes got a relatively inexpensive engine that makes 250+whp.

Again like i said before
1) ITS NOT ALL ABOUT NUMBERS, ive beaten and seen people get beat PLENTY of times when they were making "more hp"
2) Dyno Graphs mean nothing, they neglect to show you weight, gearing, etc
3) K Series are more expensive than any other engine to build or swap, PERIOD. The old technology still can compete with the new stuff in terms of HP/$
4) K20A.Org is full of shit and so is Nikos, 99% of Nikos graphs are a rolling advertisement for IPS you will NOT SEE THE NUMBER HERE IN GA that they see on those forums. Ask Chunky and anyone else with a K Series why they dyno 15-20whp less in Atlanta than anywhere else but B Series dont do that. Wonder Why? Its cause the K Series guys are way more caught up in numbers because they have something to prove for their investment IMO
5) TQ doesnt really mean that much from a roll race
6) This is all just bullshit talk really as no one in here (including me) has anything to race, well maybe Baby J and Jones can run lol

LOLOL, this most definately.

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4) K20A.Org is full of shit and so is Nikos, 99% of Nikos graphs are a rolling advertisement for IPS you will NOT SEE THE NUMBER HERE IN GA that they see on those forums. Ask Chunky and anyone else with a K Series why they dyno 15-20whp less in Atlanta than anywhere else but B Series dont do that.

NO MIKE! NIKOS IS FULL OF SHIT! NOT THE SITE! And as far as numbers go u know i know, BUT I REALLY REALLY HOPE I CAN PROVE U AND CHUNKY WRONG on the number for K series here in ATL!

[Vteckidd]

NO MIKE! NIKOS IS FULL OF SHIT! NOT THE SITE! And as far as numbers go u know i know, BUT I REALLY REALLY HOPE I CAN PROVE U AND CHUNKY WRONG on the number for K series here in ATL!

I disagree, K20a.org is a bunch of number jockeys. I cant tell you how many guys post "230whp with just a SSR header and Skunk2 Stage1s and KPRO" and people believe it. I cant tell you how many 230-250whp graphs ive seen off there that are such bullshit because they had IPS cams.

Chunkys "R" motor barely made 210 (Type R Pistons, type-R cams)
Chunkys "Built" motor with IPS K2s barely made 230whp (other people online were claiming 250-260 with similar builds
Chunkys Built motor with IPS K2s MK IIIs and my header 240whp (about the same amount of money to build his motor as my old 2.0lLSVTEC which made the same numbers) so i saw absolutely no benefit in going with a K series. It makes sense for chunky because he has a K Powered car already.

That kid Jay made 255whp with a K24, SKUNK2 STAGE 3s, 12.5:1 compression, inline pro motor, $1000 header all kinds of shit. I just dont see where you are going to pick up an extra 20-30whp.

Point is the K guys can argue all they want, but for street cars there are far better options ALL MOTOR for far less money. Those setups have been posted in this thread numerous times. If you are starting from scratch with an EG hatch as your car, K series is overpriced for the HP you get IMO, and more for bragging rights.

Id rather build a 250whp $6000 H2B than a 275whp $10,000 K24, but for other people it doesnt matter.

K20a is a cool site, i know a lot of people on there, but i stopped logging in when Nikos hacked into my PMs and posted my results without my consent after chunky and i did 20 hours of testing to show HIS USERS the difference between Skunk2 and IPS cams something nobody had done at the time. We had nice write ups and information and interviewed the people involved with the test, and rather than wait 2 hours for me to post the results, he broke into my PM account (since he owns the site) and leaked the results (which were not even the right dyno graphs) to Omniman in hopes of putting out false information to save face for IPS. Ever since then ive lost all respect for him, his site is just a advertising forum for IPS. So any graph i see on there, its cool, its nice, but i guarantee the cars making XXX hp wont make that here in GA, which in the end is all that matters.

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I disagree, K20a.org is a bunch of number jockeys. I cant tell you how many guys post "230whp with just a SSR header and Skunk2 Stage1s and KPRO" and people believe it. I cant tell you how many 230-250whp graphs ive seen off there that are such bullshit because they had IPS cams.

Chunkys "R" motor barely made 210 (Type R Pistons, type-R cams)
Chunkys "Built" motor with IPS K2s barely made 230whp (other people online were claiming 250-260 with similar builds
Chunkys Built motor with IPS K2s MK IIIs and my header 240whp (about the same amount of money to build his motor as my old 2.0lLSVTEC which made the same numbers) so i saw absolutely no benefit in going with a K series. It makes sense for chunky because he has a K Powered car already.

That kid Jay made 255whp with a K24, SKUNK2 STAGE 3s, 12.5:1 compression, inline pro motor, $1000 header all kinds of shit. I just dont see where you are going to pick up an extra 20-30whp.

Point is the K guys can argue all they want, but for street cars there are far better options ALL MOTOR for far less money. Those setups have been posted in this thread numerous times. If you are starting from scratch with an EG hatch as your car, K series is overpriced for the HP you get IMO, and more for bragging rights.

Id rather build a 250whp $6000 H2B than a 275whp $10,000 K24, but for other people it doesnt matter.

K20a is a cool site, i know a lot of people on there, but i stopped logging in when Nikos hacked into my PMs and posted my results without my consent after chunky and i did 20 hours of testing to show HIS USERS the difference between Skunk2 and IPS cams something nobody had done at the time. We had nice write ups and information and interviewed the people involved with the test, and rather than wait 2 hours for me to post the results, he broke into my PM account (since he owns the site) and leaked the results (which were not even the right dyno graphs) to Omniman in hopes of putting out false information to save face for IPS. Ever since then ive lost all respect for him, his site is just a advertising forum for IPS. So any graph i see on there, its cool, its nice, but i guarantee the cars making XXX hp wont make that here in GA, which in the end is all that matters.

Damn i didnt know NIKOS WAS THAT SHADY!! LOL! doesnt matter as i have NEVER liked him anyway, but on the $ comment i would rather build a $6000 H2B to rather than a $10k, kswap with only 25hp more. BUT!!!! I didnt spend $10k and i'm just knocking on $3k door!! So this hp/$ thing is crap. Ur urgument on that would have been VERY VERY VALID YEARS AGO! But NOT TODAY! I didnt spent $1600 for IPS CAMS like chunky did! I have ips NOTHING! DAMN NIKOS AND HIS EXPENSIVE ASS IPS CREW!

Shit if i were IPS THIS AND IPS THAT,THEN I would spent $10k+ LOL!!

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IPS K2 MARK 3/KME'S/KT1 OR 2'S ETC WITH EIBACH VALVETRAIN=$2000
IPS MANIFOLD=$2000+

Thats $4k+ right there and all u have is cams and a damn manifold!

My cams=$900(had to buy them new)
My direct port rbc manifold=FREE!! with the NOS kit i bought from the guy for $200!!

Thats just $1100 plus ur header and other CHEAP supporting parts!!!

[Vteckidd]

Gregg i think you can agree that 95% of the poeple on here cant built your engine swap, setup for $3000 thats just wishful thinking.

K20A2 Head $600-900
K24 NON TSX Block $500
Rods and pistons $800
Springs and ret $500
Cams $900
Header $400-600
Tranny $500-1000 depending on EP3 or TYpe-S

then you have the intake manifold, karcepts kit, wiring harness, engine mounts, head work, kpro, axles, fuel system, clutch, flywheel, TB, gaskets, i mean the list goes on and on. I cant see anyone doing that swap even hunting down deals for under $7000-8000 if you pay a shop to build the motor, do the machine work AND THE SWAP.

I think you swapped a lot of parts you previously bought or parted out your D series, so you still have to account for the INITIAL cost.

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Gregg i think you can agree that 95% of the poeple on here cant built your engine swap, setup for $3000 thats just wishful thinking.

K20A2 Head $600-900

Traded ur header for b series plus $200

K24 NON TSX Block $500

FREE!! TRADED MY GSR TRANNY FOR IT!!

Rods and pistons $800

Pistons$550,Rods$175(Used but for only for 500 miles)

Springs and ret $500

$250 ON A GREAT DEAL! A STEAL ACTUALLY!

Cams $900

Header $400-600

UR HEADER!!! $300 RIGHT? OR WAS IT $350?

Tranny $500-1000 depending on EP3 or TYpe-S

FREE! cause had a lot of ls/vtec parts at the time for sale and just got the type-s tranny and then went and traded it for a Ep3 tranny later when i figured out how much more hp i was adding. Didnt want to spin the whole time in each gear.LOL!!

then you have the intake manifoldFREE wit nos kit purchase,

karcepts kitUSED$50!,

wiring harnessUSED$75!,

engine mountsNEW!$200! A FREAKING STEAL!,

head workT.D headwork that he o'd me from d series parts,

kpro[havent got yet BUT it goes for $1k but i'm trying to get one from this guy for $300 right now[/b],

axles$100,

fuel system$125,

clutchchad gave me a GREAT deal one one but cant remember how much i paid for it,

flywheel$100,

TBtraded parts for Sk2 70mm t.b,

gasketsonce again sold other stuff so no money out of pocket!,

i mean the list goes on and on. AND I CAN TOO MIKE!

I cant see anyone doing that swap even hunting down deals for under $7000-8000 if you pay a shop to build the motor, do the machine work AND THE SWAP.

I think you swapped a lot of parts you previously bought or parted out your D series, so you still have to account for the INITIAL cost.LOL! nice try mike! LISTEN TO ME! U CANNOT COUNT THE INITIAL COST IN THIS SITUATION CAUSE I DIDNT PAY THE "INTIAL" PRICES!

If u price EVERYTHING BRAND NEW THEN YEAH ITS EXPWNSIVE!

Like i said, PATIENCE YOUNG CATERPILLAR!, PATIENCE!

Oh and for other ppl, i'm not lying about what i bought MY parts for cause i could give a shit what ppl think about me spending a certain amount on my build, i just dont want a noob to read this thread and all the B AND H Series guys scare them away from k series b/c of so called HIGH PRICES!!