I am pretty sure Alfa stopped bringing cars into the US in the early 90's. Not 30+ years ago. But also has nothing to do with a civic.
Lets all focus our hatred of civics onto paper. I know, I know, it is hard to do but thats what this thread was called for. And oh how I hate them.
Still has nothing to do with a civic
if civic drivers (not saying all are) weren't so god damn cocky about there cars no one would really bug them... but i drive a miata, and HATE street racing with a passion but ive put 2 of 3 civics in my rear view mirror because the driver wanted to be a show off and SUCKED @ driving his boosted, body kitted, neon under glow, riced out civic VS a practically bone stock slightly tuned 93 miata and a driver who knows what there doing = FAIL.
i say all good guy civic owners and everyone els rally together to eradicate this insidious plague we call "rice"
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I agree with this. I believe that The Fast and the Furious Ruined an entire generation of otherwise decent car guys. That movie came out and the body kits and exhuast market exploded. Also, these same people took Speed Channel and turned that programming into an ignorant pile of Sh-it. Pinks, Nopi Tunervision, and Unique Whips are NOT what cars are supposed to be about. Big deal, you can park the nose of a car against a wall and ruin as set of front tires doing a burnout. The people who get their jollies from this are the same people who, on Pinks complain their Transmission or Clutch is bad, but still do a big smoky burnout before a pass. God I hate Sped, I mean Speed Channel...Originally Posted by MskunkM
ok so he's not talking about the sti, so the normal ones have 224. which is still way more then a 20 horsepower difference
the normal impreza boxter engine that isnt turboes puts out, 170, which is right there with the SI's, so i dont know wtf he is talking about.
si is rated at 198hp at the flywheel
ms3 - 263hp
gti - 200hp
srt4 - 230hp
wrx - 224hp
rsx - 200hp
all around the same..
at the flywheel = crap at the wheels...
Okay but civic si, 198hp crank, wrx = 224.. 26 hp difference. but then youe gotta consider AWD driveline loss!
And you apparently missed the part in my reply to JITB that said we are not talking stock cars here. Mainly because there is no reason to bash a stock civic. If someone put a turboback exhaust on the WRX and had it tuned it can see a 50 whp gain easily. But I am not here to defend the WRX. I am saying that riced out civics suck and there is nothing anyone can say to me to think otherwise, especially in a way where I have to decipher where periods have to be placed.
all the same at the flywheel maybe but definately not at the wheels. Stock srt4s dyno higher than 230.
yea yea, we know that... we dont want to get into that... But you know out of all, the wrx prob has the most drivetrain loss of all..
But im not defending hondas, iver never owned one. But, im the type that has a problem with the way the tuner thing has changed. I liked it better when it was people taking ****ty cars and making them into great cars. Now its more of buying a great car, and making it great? Not to say that we all dont want nice cars. But alot of cars dont impress me too much, not because of what it is. But just because it doesnt suprise me when a evo makes 700 hp on 40lbs of boost... i mean dam what motor wont make 700hp on 40lbs...lol. Just some cars im numb to their capabilities, and it doesnt interest me at all. And alot of people rather tell someone to not waste money on the car they want, rather than give props. I challenge anyone to go and research about a car that they hate or cant stand to see people put money into, and see if u dont find something interesting about it.
well looks like everyone else in here is not to defend there civics.. but you are here to defend the hp of your neon aintcha..
well i've owned 3 civics, loved it, modified it, SOld Some, Bought Some more, a very on going side job, for gett'n that xtra $$$ and all the motors were making under 120, and took me places 4rom point A to B.. thats that.. and i do believe i'd riced the fucc out of one of them.. and @ that year.. i've sold it for about 9k and only spend like 4k in it .. ..
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Whoa whoa whoa. Now that is a whole different thread. No need for that in here.well looks like everyone else in here is not to defend there civics.. but you are here to defend the hp of your neon aintcha..
well looks like everyone else in here is not to defend there civics.. but you are here to defend the hp of your neon aintcha..
well i've owned 3 civics, loved it, modified it, SOld Some, Bought Some more, a very on going side job, for gett'n that xtra $$$ and all the motors were making under 120, and took me places 4rom point A to B.. thats that.. and i do believe i'd riced the fucc out of one of them.. and @ that year.. i've sold it for about 9k and only spend like 4k in it .. ..nah just pointing out that manufacturers claim very different hp #s and since the srt4 is the only one I'm familiar with It was my example
lol i dont know, im on there more... its smaller and i can keep up with all the forums easier, i have been on here for a long time. but only recently started posting again...
You really should not criticize my grammar if you are going to start a sentence with "and" and not using complete sentences. Oh yeah, grammar has 2 a's in it.
So basically your argument is that s/c are better because its more difficult to fully load a turbo on the dyno? I do agree that dyno rollers don't completely simulate real load conditions (and this is only if its a large turbo) but it is very close, close enough to where 99% of tuners can add a certain percentage of fuel and be extremely accurate, not to mention road testing afterward. So i think thats pretty much a null argument
they use to underrate the hell out of engines,now they over rate them
example, GM's LT4 was stated to make 330hp but really it made 430hp,but they didnt want to seem like they were downsizing when they went to the LS1
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