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We used to have kick ass debates like this all the time, Jamie. I miss those days.
If some fag does, the post will get deleted.....trust me.
We used to have kick ass debates like this all the time, Jamie. I miss those days.
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ill tel ya'll this i didnt know half this much stuff bout all motor to turbo motor comparison period this is some good shit
Im sorry I didnt see a red light come on so there for it was an even race, street racing takes more than a fast car to race, it takes a driver, and a chace is a race. If I leave and you chace and I win you will pay... End of story.
a chase is a race
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Or a hustle...either way you're going home with the money...
Yes, I'm under 75 years old and I drive a Cadillac...anyone up for the early-bird special?
from a dead stop is about 95% from the driver's ability. from a roll is most likely how strong the car is because you're already going... just my opinion.
94 Supra= 500rwhp
reminds me of "MTV True Life: I'm A Street Racer"
i agree wholeheartedly on this concept. it all just depends on what you want to do, and how you want to run it. do you want a highway racer? or a drag car? or a car for handling?
Green91 (chris, i think this is his sn) and i were having this conversation the other day, because he goes up to dalonega and his turbo spools in the middle of the turns....which renders it virtually useless.
At what weight are we talking about? What's the calculation?all you need is 187whp to run 12.8's NA
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If I had a Honda it would be NA. To me if a car comes NA make it NA if a car comes turbo upgrade the turbo.
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he had an EG hatch
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yes...
my car dynoed in at 187whp at balance performance..... we were running 13.2@102mph with front seat removed and ac installed and a nopi #1 header with 22" slicks.
we then removed ac, rear seats, panels, added defusters and skunk2 drag launch sprins with 24.5x8x13's and ran [email protected]... and consistant 12.9@103mph with 8.2@85mph in the eigth
94 Supra= 500rwhp
why did you have a #1 header? just wondering
its what i could find at the time for cheap....
94 Supra= 500rwhp
i remember seeing his vids awhile back. truly sick car.
you will never understand why these allmotor guys like it,i've tried for years and it just doesn't make any sense..i like to go as fast as possible with my cars,hell why do you think thay sell turbos,nitrous,superchargers,its to make your cars fast.why would anyone dump a shit pile of cash building a allmotor car when i can do a stock swap and spend 500 bucks on a nos kit and wax that ass?the whole object of racing is winning.at what point does one say hay...lets build the living fuck out of a motor that isn't very streetable and turn some 12's.then get beat by some kid with a 50 shot on his front drive hatch???????so let them keep spending money and knocking power adders and we'll just keep beating them.
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Very well put. +1billion
"Owning a 9 second import is like coming out of the closet. At first you surprise everyone, but in the end you're still gay!"
really, thats why you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and spoken by someone that has NEVER HAD A FAST ALL MOTOR CAR.
I NEVER LOST to ANYONE FI HONDA in my old NA CRX. Only car i ever lost to was a camaro SS from a dig, and Hugo S4 from a DIG. Ask your buddy shane how he declined to race me at camp creek with his NOSed out b20integra.
I beat TONS of turbo civics, integras, K series, Sr20s, SRT4's,Evos and lots of others. ask around, i have plenty of witnesses on this site and IL.
just cause you cant build a fast all motor car, doesnt mean you have to hate on it. Adding nitrous or PSI is easy, building and all motor car takes SKILL. something alot of people dont have in GA.
Just be patient, there is another CRX all motor coming out SOON, we will see what you have to say then
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Hell I would have killed hugos car, BAD but I let out cause I didnt want to win hell i jumped out 3 cars from the start then slammed on the brakes and you dont have any money so all you wanted to race for was 20 dollars come on get real, I have owned way faster cars then you have diven so get off your high horse, I told ya come with more money and your feelings would be hurt.really, thats why you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and spoken by someone that has NEVER HAD A FAST ALL MOTOR CAR.
I NEVER LOST to ANYONE FI HONDA in my old NA CRX. Only car i ever lost to was a camaro SS from a dig, and Hugo S4 from a DIG. Ask your buddy shane how he declined to race me at camp creek with his NOSed out b20integra.
I beat TONS of turbo civics, integras, K series, Sr20s, SRT4's,Evos and lots of others. ask around, i have plenty of witnesses on this site and IL.
just cause you cant build a fast all motor car, doesnt mean you have to hate on it. Adding nitrous or PSI is easy, building and all motor car takes SKILL. something alot of people dont have in GA.
Just be patient, there is another CRX all motor coming out SOON, we will see what you have to say then
Plain and simple your garbage crx went a high 13 low 14 thats slow you might as well have you some neons on your car.
"Owning a 9 second import is like coming out of the closet. At first you surprise everyone, but in the end you're still gay!"
Well, power is power. It's making the power all motor that some people give more respect too. IMO, it's easy to strap on nitrous or like ~10psi on to a car and make decent power. It's those who make that same "decent" power all motor that I respect a bit more.
That's not to say I don't respect those boosted high hp cars though! It's just putting it to the ground becomes their challenge...
All my opinion...
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Jackdaripper, what you drive? What kind of power? Just curious. What's Hugo's car pushing?
BTW, I'm slow!
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then why did YOU BACK DOWN when i asked you to race, and why did you get beat by HUGO.
then, why did you declined to race HUGO again, it was never about money, i asked you to race and you said
so now its cause i had no money, lol. if my old garbage crx was so slow, then why wouldnt you race it?
i never said it was fast, but neither was your old integra on the motor
you cant say you were sandbagging it to win more moeny or whatever thats fine. i really dont care anymore. you talk like im a ricer, you just used the BIGGEST RICER EXCUSE EVER
you didnt want to win? wtf is that about lol, is that waht you say to everyone. hold on ill get hugo on here
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Who cares about skill? I'd rather take the easy route to make power. Why the hell would people want to go a difficult route to make power?In the end, all that matters is who is faster/track times...
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I have literly owned everything from 10 and 11 sec mustangs to trans-ams to 13 sec 87 crxs. I have owned about 40 cars, all constantly fast. Right now I have a miata, and another car that will later be reveled. When I raced hugo I had a b20vtec with nitrous in a dc2 that ran 12s on slicks low 12s it ran a 13.3 at 112 on street tires. All honestly, Id say hugos car would run in the high 12s maybe some 80s or 90s.Jackdaripper, what you drive? What kind of power? Just curious. What's Hugo's car pushing?
BTW, I'm slow!
I have owned it all, Have driven it all and still Hondas are the funnest cars around thats why i always have one.
"Owning a 9 second import is like coming out of the closet. At first you surprise everyone, but in the end you're still gay!"
all motor is harder and more expensive to go fast with. when you see an all motor car outrun a bike from a roll, let me know, i'll sell my turbo car and get one
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Whatever Mike like I said I lost barely and if you was paying attention like everyone else there was I hit my brakes to let him go back by me. Hell Rodney was like could you have made that anymore obvious. I didnt care. And if I remember I called you out on import lounge and you pmed me wanting to do it with no one else around so noone would see it. Hell I even drove to the north side 3 weeks in a row, You can ask Ken cause I was calling him trying to find you to settle it and you was no where to be found. Its cool though when you get your crx running I have several cars in my stable ready to race ya.
"Owning a 9 second import is like coming out of the closet. At first you surprise everyone, but in the end you're still gay!"
LOL you want to debate all mtor vs Turbo now ?Who cares about skill? I'd rather take the easy route to make power. Why the hell would people want to go a difficult route to make power?
how many 240whp Turbo cars do you know that run 11s? i can name 3 all motor cars right now.
how many 270-280whp Turbo Cars run 10s, i know 4 cars right now.
NA vs Turbo on the street, NA ALL DAY LONG. give me a 200-220whp light chassis vs a 400-500whp turbo car, and ill put money on the NA car all day long.
see, think about traction, turbo lag, etc.
I prefer NA, somepeopel dont, and dont act liek it costs less oney to go boost, it doesnt when your talking about high whp setups. you guys have not seen a REALLY FAST NA car out here yet, you will soon
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and ill hold you to that
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really, break it down price wise for me then
BOOST IS NOT CHEAPER THAN ALL MOTOR. when you are tlaking about 3500$ setups, of course boost is better, but when you factor in built motors, turbo is MORE MONEY hands down
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I agree with N/A over boost on the street all day long in a fwd no traction havin honda, but thats why I spray all the go with no lag, and I always go to the street prepared to race, most of these high horse power cars want to do it from a roll cause the "spin" I say fuck that when did a drag race turn into a 180mph run down the highway. Buy some good tire detune your car and have a fast car for the street of keep it at the track...
Weight plays a bigger factor in going fast than power does anyhow but most dont understand this.
"Owning a 9 second import is like coming out of the closet. At first you surprise everyone, but in the end you're still gay!"
Right again thats why I run nitrous, Im not a fan of boost, cause on the street a nitrous car is king no other way around it.
"Owning a 9 second import is like coming out of the closet. At first you surprise everyone, but in the end you're still gay!"
okay, bring your all motor car or nitrous all motor car and beat me :jerkit: . traction isnt a problem, that is why you buy drag radials.
yes, i know of a honda with 300 whp all motor. RLZ ENGINEering built it, ran the same motor the entire season, and kicked every bodies ass in the comp4 series, running 11.1s .... TWO YEARS AGO. i hope there's a 240 whp car by now.
to make an all motor car run 10s, NO! you will have much more than in a turbo car. to make it run 13s, sure, all motor is cheaper
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get off brads nuts, cause everytime i ask you a question you bring up brad. Ask brad about me, i know who he is and he does awesome work. but not everyone had RLZs resources.
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i just rep the guys who did my work. sorry they are a quality company. why would i talk about a shitty company? anyhow, lets not start a pissing fight. i dont care who's E-dick is bigger.
i was merely making my opinion
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How much do you think Matt keller and Jason hunt have in their motors? you think its more the Peter Heu and Boostfed? i would bet they are almost the same, or the all motor is less.
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SERIOUS ALL MOTOR CAR NEEDS:
Sleeved block-$1000
PISTONS AND RODS-$800
CAMSHAFTS-$600
Ported head, valvetrain, valves-$2000-2500
Intake manifold-$350 (after port work)
HEader-$700-1000
Engine managment-$400 (hondata to be fair)
MISC:bearings, headstuds, gaskets,belts , seals-$1000
Throttle Body-$350
Injectors-$250
SERIOUS TURBO CAR NEEDS:
Sleeved Block-$1000
Pistons and rods-$800
Ported head, valvetrain, valves-$2000-2500
Intake manifold-$350 (after port work)
Turbo Manifold-$700-1200 (neukin or full race)
TURBO-$800-1400 (GT35R, T3/T67 etc)
Downpipe-$100
Boost controller-$300
Boost gauge-$40
3bar map-$80
Engine Mnagement-$400 (hondata)
Wastegate-$200
BOV-$200
Injectors-$250
Intercooler-$300-500
MISC:bearings, headstuds, gaskets,belts , seals-$1000
Throttle Body-$350
want me to continue?
this is for a 240whp+ NA setup vs a 500-600whp Turbo car
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i need a motor
a 240 whp all motor car wont beat a 500 whp turbo car...... unless you put the turbo motor in a caddy and the all motor engine on a crotch rocket.
hunt, keller, etc. im not talking about their cars. im talking about mine. back to my point, bring your all motor car and beat me then. when you can build an all motor car for the SAME price or cheaper (since you say all motor is cheaper and better) than my turbo car that will run the SAME times or better, i'll shut up and give props. but it aint gona happen.
i know 11.50 isnt even close to being really fast, but im driving a full interior coupe w/ coilovers for "suspension work" and it's a street car. all the references you make are drag cars. where's the connection?
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HAHA, i wont even argue with you anymore, cause there is no point. TBONE runs 11.7s in an all motor CRX, but its not a drag car.
GO read where i posted about price, tell me im wrong and give your own estimate please.
a 240whp NA car would KICK THE SHIT out of a 500whp car on the street.
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you said RLZ had a 300whp engine, where is the dnyo, and your telling me thats not a drag car? was that a street car?
So Matt and jason are running faster with less power, what does that mean to you now?
NA vs BOOST, there will always be a debate, i prefer NA, you prefer boost, so what.
I will run you from a DIG, on street tires, and i guarantee i will win, now, we go race a t a track or on the highway, i would say you have the advantage.
however, you also have alot more HP than me
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i want to race the 240 whp car on the street. i dont even make close to 500, and i'll outrun it. yes, rlz's was a comp4 car, which i have already said.
and yes, i prefer turbo ... if ya couldnt tell
i could talk about my friends BONE STOCK single cam w/ a t3 that was running consistant 7.60s. or my other friend w/ the BONE STOCK type R and turbo making 11psi that ran 11.3s all day long. i dont care about their cars though. or hunts, or TBONE, or whoever that is. i dont know them. so not to sound like an asshole, but i dont really care.
just like racing ... my uncles works for a guy who's brother married John Force's nephew who has a 800 whp IROC Z28. it doesnt matter!
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