All Motor CRX

[Vteckidd]

Pacman vs UTAH

Pacman Promo Video

Dyno pull
Enjoy

this is getting me siked up :ph34r:

[DrivenMind]

holy shit...

excelent music choice on the promo video too...

aren't you doing a B20/vtec set up in your CRX?

[Vteckidd]

yeah i have a b20vtec. my car is similar to his

[Vteckidd]

BUMP so 99SI will see this

[Jaimecbr900]

That car is fast, but I'm sorry.....homeboy likes to jump at the start of lots of races.

What kind of times is he turning at the track? What kind of power is he making? I saw both a run at the track and dyno, but no numbers at all. I know why they're doing it, but does anyone have any idea of what those are?

[jackdaripper]

That car is fast, but I'm sorry.....homeboy likes to jump at the start of lots of races.

What kind of times is he turning at the track? What kind of power is he making? I saw both a run at the track and dyno, but no numbers at all. I know why they're doing it, but does anyone have any idea of what those are?

Im sorry I didnt see a red light come on so there for it was an even race, street racing takes more than a fast car to race, it takes a driver, and a chace is a race. If I leave and you chace and I win you will pay... End of story.

[Vteckidd]

he made 227whp. he does like to jump the launch. thats why they were fighting at the end od the UTAH race. It was for $2600, and UTAH has a 230whp b20/vtec


The track times are anyones guess. there are recorded runs of him running 11.7s. some people said he got to 11.3s in the 1/4, but i have not seen a slip of that. so the only credible evidence we have is 11.7s

[Jaimecbr900]

Car's have to be gutted then. 227whp vs 230whp and he gave 5 cars????

I know he was running slicks too.

[99SI]

where was that?

[99SI]

Even though he jumped the rex was nasty off the line. lol. Now mike once you learn to drive like that yours will be that fast too!!!! lol. jp

[Tank]

not knocking all motor but im at a lost on why to do it i thought about it but i could figure out why to do it so i went turbo can someone tell me the advantages and disadvantages to it say your 230whp crx vs a 600 hp civic coupe not knocking on anything but im lost when it comes to it just looking for some education on it

[punkr6]

not knocking all motor but im at a lost on why to do it i thought about it but i could figure out why to do it so i went turbo can someone tell me the advantages and disadvantages to it say your 230whp crx vs a 600 hp civic coupe not knocking on anything but im lost when it comes to it just looking for some education on it

you will never understand why these allmotor guys like it,i've tried for years and it just doesn't make any sense..i like to go as fast as possible with my cars,hell why do you think thay sell turbos,nitrous,superchargers,its to make your cars fast.why would anyone dump a shit pile of cash building a allmotor car when i can do a stock swap and spend 500 bucks on a nos kit and wax that ass?the whole object of racing is winning.at what point does one say hay...lets build the living fuck out of a motor that isn't very streetable and turn some 12's.then get beat by some kid with a 50 shot on his front drive hatch???????so let them keep spending money and knocking power adders and we'll just keep beating them.

[jackdaripper]

you will never understand why these allmotor guys like it,i've tried for years and it just doesn't make any sense..i like to go as fast as possible with my cars,hell why do you think thay sell turbos,nitrous,superchargers,its to make your cars fast.why would anyone dump a shit pile of cash building a allmotor car when i can do a stock swap and spend 500 bucks on a nos kit and wax that ass?the whole object of racing is winning.at what point does one say hay...lets build the living fuck out of a motor that isn't very streetable and turn some 12's.then get beat by some kid with a 50 shot on his front drive hatch???????so let them keep spending money and knocking power adders and we'll just keep beating them.

Very well put. +1billion

[Vteckidd]

you will never understand why these allmotor guys like it,i've tried for years and it just doesn't make any sense..i like to go as fast as possible with my cars,hell why do you think thay sell turbos,nitrous,superchargers,its to make your cars fast.why would anyone dump a shit pile of cash building a allmotor car when i can do a stock swap and spend 500 bucks on a nos kit and wax that ass?the whole object of racing is winning.at what point does one say hay...lets build the living fuck out of a motor that isn't very streetable and turn some 12's.then get beat by some kid with a 50 shot on his front drive hatch???????so let them keep spending money and knocking power adders and we'll just keep beating them.

really, thats why you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and spoken by someone that has NEVER HAD A FAST ALL MOTOR CAR.

I NEVER LOST to ANYONE FI HONDA in my old NA CRX. Only car i ever lost to was a camaro SS from a dig, and Hugo S4 from a DIG. Ask your buddy shane how he declined to race me at camp creek with his NOSed out b20integra.

I beat TONS of turbo civics, integras, K series, Sr20s, SRT4's,Evos and lots of others. ask around, i have plenty of witnesses on this site and IL.

just cause you cant build a fast all motor car, doesnt mean you have to hate on it. Adding nitrous or PSI is easy, building and all motor car takes SKILL. something alot of people dont have in GA.

Just be patient, there is another CRX all motor coming out SOON, we will see what you have to say then

[jackdaripper]

really, thats why you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and spoken by someone that has NEVER HAD A FAST ALL MOTOR CAR.

I NEVER LOST to ANYONE FI HONDA in my old NA CRX. Only car i ever lost to was a camaro SS from a dig, and Hugo S4 from a DIG. Ask your buddy shane how he declined to race me at camp creek with his NOSed out b20integra.

I beat TONS of turbo civics, integras, K series, Sr20s, SRT4's,Evos and lots of others. ask around, i have plenty of witnesses on this site and IL.

just cause you cant build a fast all motor car, doesnt mean you have to hate on it. Adding nitrous or PSI is easy, building and all motor car takes SKILL. something alot of people dont have in GA.

Just be patient, there is another CRX all motor coming out SOON, we will see what you have to say then

Hell I would have killed hugos car, BAD but I let out cause I didnt want to win hell i jumped out 3 cars from the start then slammed on the brakes and you dont have any money so all you wanted to race for was 20 dollars come on get real, I have owned way faster cars then you have diven so get off your high horse, I told ya come with more money and your feelings would be hurt.

Plain and simple your garbage crx went a high 13 low 14 thats slow you might as well have you some neons on your car.

[Vteckidd]

Hell I would have killed hugos car, BAD but I let out cause I didnt want to win hell i jumped out 3 cars from the start then slammed on the brakes and you dont have any money so all you wanted to race for was 20 dollars come on get real, I have owned way faster cars then you have diven so get off your high horse, I told ya come with more money and your feelings would be hurt.

Plain and simple your garbage crx went a high 13 low 14 thats slow you might as well have you some neons on your car.

then why did YOU BACK DOWN when i asked you to race, and why did you get beat by HUGO.

then, why did you declined to race HUGO again, it was never about money, i asked you to race and you said

"i just saw you beat the S4, i cant race you there is no point cause i lost to the S4"

so now its cause i had no money, lol. if my old garbage crx was so slow, then why wouldnt you race it?

i never said it was fast, but neither was your old integra on the motor

you cant say you were sandbagging it to win more moeny or whatever thats fine. i really dont care anymore. you talk like im a ricer, you just used the BIGGEST RICER EXCUSE EVER

"Hell I would have killed hugos car, BAD but I let out cause I didnt want to win hell i jumped

you didnt want to win? wtf is that about lol, is that waht you say to everyone. hold on ill get hugo on here

[bambooi]

Adding nitrous or PSI is easy, building and all motor car takes SKILL. something alot of people dont have in GA.

Who cares about skill? I'd rather take the easy route to make power. Why the hell would people want to go a difficult route to make power? In the end, all that matters is who is faster/track times...

[Vteckidd]

Who cares about skill? I'd rather take the easy route to make power. Why the hell would people want to go a difficult route to make power? In the end, all that matters is who is faster/track times...

LOL you want to debate all mtor vs Turbo now ?

how many 240whp Turbo cars do you know that run 11s? i can name 3 all motor cars right now.

how many 270-280whp Turbo Cars run 10s, i know 4 cars right now.

NA vs Turbo on the street, NA ALL DAY LONG. give me a 200-220whp light chassis vs a 400-500whp turbo car, and ill put money on the NA car all day long.

see, think about traction, turbo lag, etc.

I prefer NA, somepeopel dont, and dont act liek it costs less oney to go boost, it doesnt when your talking about high whp setups. you guys have not seen a REALLY FAST NA car out here yet, you will soon

[punkr6]

really, thats why you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, and spoken by someone that has NEVER HAD A FAST ALL MOTOR CAR.

I NEVER LOST to ANYONE FI HONDA in my old NA CRX. Only car i ever lost to was a camaro SS from a dig, and Hugo S4 from a DIG. Ask your buddy shane how he declined to race me at camp creek with his NOSed out b20integra.

I beat TONS of turbo civics, integras, K series, Sr20s, SRT4's,Evos and lots of others. ask around, i have plenty of witnesses on this site and IL.

just cause you cant build a fast all motor car, doesnt mean you have to hate on it. Adding nitrous or PSI is easy, building and all motor car takes SKILL. something alot of people dont have in GA.

Just be patient, there is another CRX all motor coming out SOON, we will see what you have to say then

no,building a allmotor honda is stupid and very expensive,and to get it to run better than high 12's it wouldn't be very streetable,as far as you saying shane wouldn't race you is a fat lie.i was there in the car w/shane and you wouldn't race for any money....when your new car comes out and gets beat by a car w/nitrous all you will say then is __he had nitrous__ boohoo

[Vteckidd]

no,building a allmotor honda is stupid and very expensive,and to get it to run better than high 12's it wouldn't be very streetable

really , so my car isnt streetable, TBONEs car isnt streetable, Bees car wasnt streetable?

come on man, just admit, there has not been a fast NA honda in GA. a fast car that comes out to the street races runs 14's. I proved it in my old car, never broke 13.8s, and i rarely lost. my car was not fast. im the first one to admit it.

HOw many of your cars have withstood NOS as well, all of shanes cars either blew up or he sold, dont tell me im wrong cause i KNOW.

B20integra-SOLD
SEntra-Blew up
EF hatch-BLEW UP (i was there the night it bent avalve)

its about preference. i have beaten nitrous and turbo cars, so how am i stupid?

[99SI]

no lag for one

[Vteckidd]

thats the age old question.

My OLD GSR CRX that made 190whp, beat 200-300whp cars.

Its about throttle response and powerband. I GUARANTEE ANY 500-600whp CIVIC on the streets vs a 230whp all motor honda, if both ahve street tires, NA CAR ALL DAY LONG. now they go run on the highway, TURBO CAR ALL DAY LONG.

to me , all motor is more of a challenge. anyone can build a 500whp civic, IMO, not anyone can do a 220-250whp all motor engine. if a boosted car doesnt make the power, you tune a knob. if a all motor car doesnt make the power, its not so simple.

This motor is prob my last venture into all motor territory, at least with a B series. we will all find out how fast a 230whp engine NA in a 1800lb chassis is compared to guys like Nyteryder, Marshall, HIPSI, CT9GSR or whatever, etc.

[SilviaK93]

we will all find out how fast a 230whp engine NA in a 1800lb chassis is compared to guys like Nyteryder, Marshall, HIPSI, CT9GSR or whatever, etc.

1800lb car + 165lb driver= 1965 race weight roughly divided by 230whp= 8.5 power to weight

3250 race weight (Z06) divided by 385whp= 8.4 power to weight


DAMN!!!! ---- That would be one close race. CRX would take the win from a dig as the Z would have more traction issues- at least I would. From a rolling start would be VERY close. This is motor to motor of course!


Very impressive setup!

[99SI]

It's a heck of a lot more of a challenge than going boosted too. Making high HP out of all motor is not that easy with a honda. If you are just going for max power then boost is definately the quickest/cheapest way. I just enjoy the allmotor myself. I looked at both and decided I wanted to see if I could hit 200whp with an allmotor b16. I've still got a little ways to go and a few grand more to spend but I think we'll get there.

[Tank]

hmm ok i see what your saying however im at a lost with the street race vs highway wouldnt the all motor get off faster and the turbo catch up with it in the end or something like that maybe we can run one once i get back from kuwait and when my car comes from the shop its a b16 no nos turboed and fully built i just want to see this personally but i see the challenge in it and props to the both of you on it

[Vteckidd]

well, HIGH WHP turbo cars are tradtionally highway kings. they can run 170-180mph. they have longer gears, and they have big turbos.

From a dig, the all motor car will catch traction faster. thus pulling. the turbo car on street tires will spin most of the time and have trouble going anywhere.

now on the highway were there is really no problem with traction, the turbo car might lose for a second, but usually itll catch it

[GTScoob]

Good read. I'm very uneducated with Hondas and really all-motor cars in general. Are Pacman and Utah from around here?

Good numbers though.

[Tank]

hmmm so how does peter run 10's in his civic on street tires"if he does i have never seen it im just assuming" i mean when i was at the import showdown he was on slicks. and how does gearing change bro cause all i got is b16 tranny shouldnt be same gearin i know i sound slow ass hell man im just learning about motors internally

[99SI]

Peter's running slicks to make the 10's. The b16 tranny has a 4.4 final drive so you should spool pretty quickly on a highway run. Most turbo guys are running LS tranny's though as far as for the street(from what I've heard, may be wrong.)

[99SI]

Of course from the your sig are those 17" wheels you're running? If so then that's going to affect your final drive a little bit but not a ton.

[Tank]

there acually 18 but i got new lighter wheels that be on

[Vteckidd]

no its cool these are always good discussions.

Peter prob (im not sure) runs 24-26in slicks. he has not run 10s on street tires that i know of.
MOST turbo cars run GSR or LS trannys. they have longer gearing than B16/ITR trannys. on the highway this translates into they can get and stay in their powerband longer vs a all motor car that has to shift quicker.

now where it gets really tricky is redlines. if im shifting at 9500rpms, and a 500whp civic is shifting at 8500rpms. and he has longer gears, its anyones ballgame. ill be in gear longer, but ill reach my peak power faster.

it really gets into much more about gearing and powerband than what the actual motor makes.

its a very long complicated, interesting thing

[Tank]

hmm ok i can see what your saying i was planning on doing some head work to get rpms higher probrably when i get back from kuwait and if the turbo starts it spool at 3200 rpms what you think about that cause i believe that is where my turbo starts spoolin i cant wait to get her back so i can see some numbers and whats goin on its at ISP racing right now with peter so im hoping for the best but whats involved with building a all motor car

[Jaimecbr900]

The real key to all these cars is P-W-R.

You have a 2000lb car, with 200 HP, it gets off the line quicker than a 3500lb 400 HP car. The key is to race them long enough to where P-W-R doesn't matter, i.e. Highway. This is where the high MPH, high HP, guys make up for weight....via raw power.

It's all about what you want really. An all motor car typically is more dependable than a boosted car, although that too varies depending on how far you're pushing the envelope in a specific application. Boosted cars make more overall HP, but then you get traction issues. Again, traction usually only plays a part in 1/4 mi racing. On a roll, different things come into play.

I'm just impressed that you can turn 11's out of 200+ HP. That's impressive. Although people are usually not doing that in a car with A/C, radio, back seat, trunk, etc. either. So, again, it's about what you want.

If you want a quick car w/no frills, a light all motor gutted car is the ticket. If you want a quick car w/all the whistles, boost is the only way to get there because of the weight. Of course it's more complicated than that, but that's the jest of it.

[99SI]

What turbo are you running? Some turbos will run out of breath above 8500 -9000. Some will continue to boost. Also correct cams will make a huge difference as far as how high and where you make your power.

[Vteckidd]

yeah, peters car ran 10s with a full interior, carpet, dash, seats etc. pacmans car is GUTTED with a dash.

[Jaimecbr900]

yeah, peters car ran 10s with a full interior, carpet, dash, seats etc. pacmans car is GUTTED with a dash.

True, but isn't Peter's car boosted?

[Vteckidd]

True, but isn't Peter's car boosted?

yeah thats my point.

Turbo cars can USUALLY keep AC, PS, and a full interior and be fast

All motor Hondas, thats not realy the case lol

[Tank]

ahhh i see so it really is a matter of taste in a sense in what you want so let me ask in a lets say "light to light" what your saying is goin to a certain MPH would work out better for me than goin lets saya quarter mile distance oh and the motor showed up just now man

[93H22ACX]

Peter has ran 10's with Street ET's but not street tires...


side note... all you need is 187whp to run 12.8's NA
the power band is alot nicer but doesnt pull like turbo

a 400whp turbo car against a 230whp na car will be a good race from a dig.... if the turboed driver knows how to drive it should win.... just my opinion...