Scripture a day (Islam Edition)

[David88vert]

I fail to see how my experience is different from yours. The individual who was a muslim for 30+ years i work with and speak to daily, ive also attended his church and have a lot of conversations regarding religion. I also referenced two brothers i am friends with who are active muslims. They themselves are not extreme, but their parents are. His father is very abusive and dominant. The females in his house are submissive. The two brothers are embarrassed by their actions, but dont speak out to keep the peace. No, i dont see the difference in my sample of life compared to your sample of life.

Then you also have no personal experience.

Your opinion is based upon what others have told you, not on what you have experienced first-hand. I don't see why you cannot understand that very basic concept. By your own words, your opinion is based upon what the media presents you (which is guaranteed to be mostly bad news, as that is what sells), and what people who already are anti-Islam are telling you about it. You haven't gone to weddings, mosques (based on your previous statements - although you state above that he is an active Muslim and you have gone to his church - that conflicts with your earlier statements), been involved in their culture yourself. It's no different that if you live in the 1840's and the media told you that slavery was good, and that a slave told you that life wasn't that bad. If you never stayed in the slave houses, went out to the fields, etc, you would have no personal experience, and would probably think that slaves had a decent life.

In my case, I have been to weddings, I have been to cultural events, I have been involved in religious discussions, I have been and had dinner with Muslim families, I have celebrated holidays with them, etc. Daily submersion into their culture is personal experience.

Like I said, if you can't see the difference, then this topic is pretty much over.

And you have no thoughts are how easy it is to connect these actions to scripture?

I have plenty of thoughts.
Here is where you seem to lose it. You think that you can pop out a scripture, and then someone else should pop out a conflicting scripture. You seem to think that this is the same as a discussion about science, where there are competing facts that can be discussed.
Religion is not science. It is based upon faith, and thus, opinion. Thinking that the Qur'an will have conflicting verses already shows that you need to study it more before starting this thread, if you wish to have a worthwhile discussion. Perhaps an atheism thread would be more suited to your current knowledge?

Islam is filth. How is this hate speech? Rape is filth, murder is filth... slavery is filth. This should not offend you unless you are a rapist, murder or slave owner. The crimes of Islam should not be ignored. Peaceful citizens who practice Islam are at least ignorant. There's some teachings from the bible that i follow, but i would never claim christianity as a whole because i cannot accept the crimes or lies of that religion. You cant cherry pick what you want from a religion without accepting the entirety of it. Islam is responsible for a lot of evil in this world. The casual observers of Islam condone these actions even if they dont participate in them.

I am not offended by your posts. I don't know how many times I have to type that so that it sinks into your head.

"The crimes of Islam should not be ignored." - So, now you believe that a book/religion is the source of crime, and not an individual. A person cannot choose what to do for themselves, and shouldn't be help personally accountable for their own actions? Yet, when a gun is involved, the crime was committed by the individual. This argument makes you seem like you are pulling a "John Kerry", which I do not think suits you.

"Peaceful citizens who practice Islam are at least ignorant." - So, now you think that all 2.6 million Muslims are stupid. Nice....

"Islam is responsible for a lot of evil in this world." - The people that commit the crimes are not responsible for their actions, it's the book! Now substitute the work "Handgun" for "Islam" and repeat your statement. Doesn't sound so good the second time around, does it?

"The casual observers of Islam condone these actions even if they dont participate in them." - So, you believe all Muslims condone rape, murder, and child abuse automatically? Are you saying that your two Muslim friends condone these crimes? If so, then by associating with them, you condone these crimes as well, do you not?

It doesnt stand alone as an instruction guide. It is one of many instruction guides for evil.

That is your opinion. Exactly what scripture are you thinking should be brought forward to "counter" this claim by you?
This is an example of why this thread is nothing more than a smear campaign against those that follow a religion that you do not like.

Its way more than that...... this is another example of you minimizing it. Muslims allow child rape, child slavery, they cut the clitoris off young girls, they beat and abuse women sexually, disfigure them, oppress them............. women are pets according to Islam. They have the rights of a common dog.

And, based upon your previous statements, you talk to people that condone this activity on a daily basis. Have you told them that this is how you feel?

We can discuss those surahs that relate to women if you like. If you can keep the discussion to the surahs, and not go off onto tangents, then you might be surprised at how the discourse would proceed.

Nothing i am saying is opinion. Every crime i accuse has multitudes of video evidence. The evidence against Islam is abundant. Watch any of the videos ive posted and then offer an explanation for those actions. I guess you're going to keep falling back on separating the extremist from what you view as "normal" muslims. The text itself is extreme.

So, the acts of a few radicals condemns all that follow a religion to being either idiots or criminals?
By that line of reasoning, then you, as an atheist, are either an idiot of criminal as well.
Alfred Kinsey, Napoleon Bonaparte, Than Shwe, Jeffrey Dahmer, Benito Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin - all atheists.
Just taking one of them - Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state (i.e. capitalists, theists). In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalin’s reign, range from 10 million to 60 million. His government promoted atheism with mass propaganda in school, and held a terror campaign against the religious. He crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and shooting more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns between 1937 and 1938.

Of course, you wouldn't blame atheism for those deaths - you would blame the man who ordered the deaths.

Jeffrey Dahmer: "If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing…" [An interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, Nov. 29, 1994].

No, atheism did not make him do it, and the Qur'an doesn't make people kill either.