Scripture a day (Islam Edition)

[David88vert]

No problem. You do the same. Quit speaking for anyone you know that is a muslim and let them speak for themselves. Your experience is no more credible than my own. You cant claim your experience as evidence and then discredit mine.

I made statements on my own experiences with dealing with Muslims - in business and in personal life, and from being around them while they were involved in religious activities. You made statements based upon what former Muslims told you. I didn't speak about what others told me, but from real world interaction. If you can't see the difference, then this discussion is hopeless, as you will never get it.

Yes i do. Just because a muslim hasnt beheaded someone in my living room doesnt mean that i do not see it happening. Just because they havnt bombed my neighborhood does not mean that they havnt bombed my country. If i was one of those people who got their legs blown off in boston would my opinion of muslims be valid then??? Do i have to wait to become a victim before speaking out?

Like I said before, you have no personal experience (that you have stated up to now) with Muslims who are active in their faith. Reading about it in the paper and watching it on tv is not personal experience. If you believe that is personal experience, this topic is already over, as you are unable to comprehend the basics.

Sure, show me where the british handbook instructs them to attack americans. ?

War of 1812 - you might have heard of it. Their war guidelines are quite a bit more recent than the Qur'an.

Yes, THAT is hate speech. I am an asshole and say asshole things. I recognize that not 100% of all muslims are evil. I do feel that every single muslim on this planet is at least a pawn in the grand scheme of things. They may not realize that what they are participating in is evil, but the fact that it is evil is the claim i am trying to make.

And you have every right to your opinion. I have no disagreement with you having that opinion.

And among all religions, Islam has the greatest number if radical extremists and its not even comparable.

While there is no publication of statistics that I am aware of, I would agree that at this point in time, the appearance is that more terrorists/radicals are using the Islamic religion as justification for their actions.

Islam is filth. I recognize that not all people who have fallen victim to Islam are bad people. I did not say all evil in the world is due to Islam. Also, i have spoke out about mexican crimes. I am consistent in my beliefs across the board, i show no favoritism to any group. Here you go again trying to blend islamic terrorism into another topic. You cant deny the evil acts committed on behalf of islam so you bring up other acts to compare it to. I'm happy condemning all terrorism everywhere, but this topic is dedicated to Islam.

The statement, "Islam is filth.", is your opinion, and is expressly the type of hate speech that you claimed would not be part of this thread.

The reason that I bought up the current Mexican drug war is that it is a civil war that has its combatants using the exact same execution tactics (such as beheading), is next door to the US (literally), and its combatants do not use the excuse of religion for their actions. You have attempted to paint the Qur'an as the instruction guide for all of these style atrocities.

You're right, but in this case the benefit is 72 virgins in heaven when an islamic terrorist participates in the jihad against western culture.

It's not "jihad against western culture". Go get your surah for discussion, and we can have that one.

I'm happy with your scripture based retort, just not the personal attacks. Debate the scripture, not the person. If you feel i am misinterpreting the scripture, then perhaps that is the same reason the extremists are doing what they do. How is it so easy to connect their actions to the scripture?

Sources matter, when opinion is being stated - its not attacks, it's discovering the basis/foundation for the opinion. With no foundation of experience, why would the opinion be of value? Would you trust the opinion of your real estate agent on which pistons to choose for your boosted SR20, if he never even built an engine?

If you can keep your discussion to the scriptures, you should know by now, that I will do the same.

I dont deny that. I could probably have the same experience at a KKK rally. I'm sure there's at least one decent family who believes they are doing what is best for them and trying to give their children a better life. In the grand scheme of things that doesnt change the fact that theyre a pawn in a much bigger plot. The koran specifically says for them to deceive and get close to infidels, to infiltrate and dominate. Everything is about expansion and control. They take advantage of our tolerance and acceptance. Muslims can freely come to my country as they please and life happy safe lives. If i were to go to their country, i would not be afforded the same luxury. If i went to an islamic region to preach christianity and live peacefully, i would be murdered, my wife and kids raped and/or tortured. The koran specifically mentions sexual acts as punishments and rewards for crimes. It's no wonder that their women are so oppressed and violated.

See, there you go again, trying to pretend that there is one family out of the multitudes that is not in on the "plot". Apparently, there are about 2.6 million not "in on the plot" - just in the US. Work with someone daily, be around their family, their friends, their religious leaders for a decade, and you will know if they are "deceiving and infiltrating". If they are leading "happy and safe lives", isn't that what you want?

I could travel to Lahore with no worries.

And, yes, the Qur'an does make mention of taking the women of defeated enemies. Guess what - most ancient cultures did that, and it still happens in modern conflicts. Doesn't make it right, and I'm not defending it - just recognize reality and take off the rose-colored glasses. People choose to be evil, regardless of religious beliefs.

You seem unusually offended by a debate that you should have no attachment too. By your usual standard of civility, your approach in this thread is hostile. You made one post that was scripture based and then started derailing this thread with personal attacks. Regardless of what you think of me, my knowledge of or interest in islam or anything else, if you cant answer the scripture with scripture, then i am winning this debate.

I am not offended. I am not offended. I am not offended. Get it yet?
I don't have an attachment to this topic any more than any other - and probably less on this one. There is no emotion here from me.
I am being just as civil as I always am. Perhaps you just aren't used to me addressing your statements the very same way that I address blanks.
I addressed what you had - your opinion. You didn't come in with facts.
If you want to discuss scripture, then stay on that topic. As soon as you went off into opinion, you changed the discussion from what you stated originally that it would be.
Winning? LOL. You have to have something other than conjecture when you want to debate.

Yeah, every crime such as this is always given the benefit of the doubt. A muslim cuts the heads and hands off of two christians, just a "normal" murder.

I'm guessing that you didn't read the article at all, or all of my previous post, as it appears that you missed that he wasn't known to be religious, and the only people even offering a religious motive are those who have never met him. The source of the article didn't make you a little concerned either?

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion..... i feel i'm one of the more "harsh" justice seeking individuals on this sight. I'm not out to convict any individuals for their religious belief, i just want the truth revealed. The political movement to endorse Islam is very troubling to me. I feel a lot of these innocent people are victims to disinformation and manipulation. It is my opinion that education almost always leads to a path away from religion.

You are entitled to your opinion. I have no problem with you believing whatever you want to believe.

Personal opinion - I do not believe that there should be an political movement to endorse any religion, nor a political movement to suppress or work against any religion, but I do recognize that this is not an option in the political system that we have here.
I do not agree that education always leads to a path away from religion.