View Poll Results: What is your opinion of Islam?

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  • I am a Christian, i do not support Islam.

    1 16.67%
  • I am a Christian, i do support Islam.

    2 33.33%
  • I am a non-believer and do not support Islam.

    1 16.67%
  • I am a non-believer and support Islam.

    0 0%
  • I am a Muslim or am considering becoming one.

    0 0%
  • I am not sure how i feel about Islam.

    0 0%
  • I have a very negative opinion of Islam.

    3 50.00%
  • I have a very positive opinion of Islam.

    2 33.33%
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    No, that is not what I am saying.
    I am saying that his figure of 2.6% that "bodes well for the non-believer" was not a calculation that he personally made. He based it upon the calculation of Bill Warner.
    I am not saying that it is not his own opinion, as it very well could be that as well. I am not "discrediting him" either - I am simply clarifying fact.
    BTW - another fact: The doctor moved to the US in 1984, in case you missed that. I hope that Islam wasn't oppressing him in the US.

    His 2.6% came from "Political Islam" - Political Islam // Articles // The "Good" in the Koran

    Here is more:
    "Bill Warner wanted to know exactly how many verses in the Qur'an are positive for non-Muslims, so he counted them. The answer is 245. That's pretty good. That adds up to 4,018 words in the Qur'an, and comprises 2.6 percent of the total Qur'anic text. " - But There Are Peaceful Passages in the Quran Too - WikiIslam

    Now, you were just saying that I was throwing rocks, but yet, you ignored my facts, and only attacked me with unfounded attacks - just like you did earlier in the thread.
    Are you disputing either of their findings? I'm missing a point to be made other than minimizing their opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Are you disputing either of their findings? I'm missing a point to be made other than minimizing their opinions.
    Again, I am not "minimizing their opinions". This is something that you keep claiming with no basis.

    I am disputing their math. "About seventy-five percent of Muhammad's biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers." That's the quote that you posted from that doctor.

    There are 164 verses in the Koran that deal specifically with jihad, not including those where Mohammed voiced his opinion of those that choose not to go on jihad, the rewards form heaven for jihadists (not sure if that is really a word), or where it is used as a generic word for "victory".

    The statement claims that 75% of all verses in the Koran are about jihad, which means that the math would show you that only 219 verses would exist in the entire Koran. There are chapters with more verses than that.

    Here are the 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008

    Do you have a different list of jihad verses that shows 75% of the Koran? That will be a very long list - since the Qur'an is about 6236 verses long, they are claiming that about 4677 are about jihad. Where are these extra 4500 verses about jihad?

    If I am missing something, let me know. I just don't see those extra verses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Again, I am not "minimizing their opinions". This is something that you keep claiming with no basis.

    I am disputing their math. "About seventy-five percent of Muhammad's biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers." That's the quote that you posted from that doctor.

    There are 164 verses in the Koran that deal specifically with jihad, not including those where Mohammed voiced his opinion of those that choose not to go on jihad, the rewards form heaven for jihadists (not sure if that is really a word), or where it is used as a generic word for "victory".

    The statement claims that 75% of all verses in the Koran are about jihad, which means that the math would show you that only 219 verses would exist in the entire Koran. There are chapters with more verses than that.

    Here are the 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008

    Do you have a different list of jihad verses that shows 75% of the Koran? That will be a very long list - since the Qur'an is about 6236 verses long, they are claiming that about 4677 are about jihad. Where are these extra 4500 verses about jihad?

    If I am missing something, let me know. I just don't see those extra verses.
    The order of events as they happened in the Koran is not something i know, so information regarding how to read it is helpful. The wording of the accusation is

    75% of Mohammad's biography, the Sira, was about Jihad. 61% of the Koran speaks ill of unbelievers.

    They didnt say "75% of the Koran is about Jihad".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    The order of events as they happened in the Koran is not something i know, so information regarding how to read it is helpful. The wording of the accusation is

    75% of Mohammad's biography, the Sira, was about Jihad. 61% of the Koran speaks ill of unbelievers.

    They didnt say "75% of the Koran is about Jihad".
    Here is a page that you will find quite useful:
    Chronological Order of the Qur'an - WikiIslam

    Like I mentioned previously, the last chapters written are the one that you want to target. Surah At-Taubah is the one that you will probably be most interested in, as it makes the best foundation for your case with 129 verses that have a lot to say about non-believers.


    A biography about him is hardly the same as the Koran - that's what I was missing. That's something being written long after he is dead, and not relevant to the discussion topic of this thread then. I haven't read the Surrah, and only some of the Hadith.

    The links to the verses that speak about jihad might be of interested to you though.
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