Quote Originally Posted by geoff
this whole section of the religion forum is full of scientific not biblical evidence. read the thread about jesus being an alien, pg.14 post number 262 and 263. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

and to the profiteer...you still avoided ansering any of my questions of how we first "learned" right and wrong and how it was decided or ansered my examples.
what do mean how we first learned right and wrong? Like where did concepts like murder is wrong, and theft is wrong come from? You think people naturally believe that killing another person is wrong?

No, its taught to you. You think during the early days of man, tribes had any problem killing each other? We still dont have any problem to killing each other so long as we are given permission.

It is instinctual to preserve life, at least you own. As society grows, and in a sense becomes its own life form, it instinctively adopts a notion that killing other smaller parts of its own life is wrong as well.

Just like there is no such a thing as natural human rights, those rights are humanly conceived and then implemented as law.

Right and wrong are simply deciding factors, right is defined by actions taken that in turn lead to rewards, wrong is defined as actions taken that in turn lead to consequence.


and believe me animals know right from wrong.

for example a pack of wolves, all the beta males know that if you mess with the alpha male's mate, your gonna get kicked out of the pack, or even worse killed. They respect the authority of the alpha male and do whats right, which is they let him eat first, they let him mate first, and they follow his lead, because those "right" actions lead to rewards. Rewards such as being able to stay as a pack which in turn progresses the survival. Its very common to see beta males getting kicked out of their packs for making the "wrong" decisions.

(with out societal law, the only deciding factor of why a man should not kill another man is that if he does he will be forfeiting his reward of going to heaven)