IA Here is a Serious Question.

[TheProfiteer]

Things never actually come out as you'd like to see it eh?

Anyway, going back to what Geoff, d993s, and zima was talkin about... social interactions and behavior are learned, much like you can teach a dog to sit or beg.

But I think what Geoff is trying to point out is that there is so much more to us than just simply what we can grasp with out own hands. Not sure who has kids here, but I have a few... I never taught them to rebel against me and yet they do (maybe like Adam and Eve did??) and I certainly didn't teach them to be emotional and angry (I'm a very calm person for the most part but can get passionate in some things). Though we can observe these things personally for ourselves when kids are at a very young age, these are not learned behaviors... if they're not learned, where'd they come from?

well I never said that humanity was a shallow low life of earth. Just because you dont teach a child how to rebel doesnt mean he didnt pick up traces of such behavior else where.

Remember your mind is molded by your environment and your genetics. Your child is at a stage where his ego is fully beginning to realize. Where the concept of I Am comes into play and your child is beginning to realize his own individuality. Its a natural process and in order for you to cope with his rebellion you must understand why it is happening.


Similarly to what I was saying in the other thread, is that the question of our posthumous existence has not been answered, and to accept a religion, one so static and tyrannous like Christianity, is to accept a notion that you no longer need to search, that the question has been answered.

[ahabion]

well I never said that humanity was a shallow low life of earth. Just because you dont teach a child how to rebel doesnt mean he didnt pick up traces of such behavior else where.

Remember your mind is molded by your environment and your genetics. Your child is at a stage where his ego is fully beginning to realize. Where the concept of I Am comes into play and your child is beginning to realize his own individuality. Its a natural process and in order for you to cope with his rebellion you must understand why it is happening.

Similarly to what I was saying in the other thread, is that the question of our posthumous existence has not been answered, and to accept a religion, one so static and tyrannous like Christianity, is to accept a notion that you no longer need to search, that the question has been answered.

You have children? I'm just curious... because in some ways, what you're saying is actually agreeing with me. Where your genetics come into play, rebellion is in our DNA and the very fabric of who we are.

Although its inhumane and completely unethical, if you were to lock up a child or confine a new born child in a place that provided all the necessities that it needed (food, changing, etc.) that I am absolutely sure that the baby will one day rebel. Even if there were only positive human influences or interactions or none at all. So to say that a baby is a product of its environment is off base as well. Even if the baby was cared for by machines that monitored the baby 100% of the time and knew when the baby would poop before the baby ever did or knew when the baby would be hungry, the baby still has a choice to take the nipple to eat.

Because what you're saying is that these things are learned but what I'm saying is that they are not learned but born within us... already a part of us to the core of our DNA.

What I find interesting about your remarks about Christianity being static is that we as human beings like to consider ourselves as "evolving." Where the longer we are on this earth, the smarter we are or were in comparison to the previous generation or generations before us. Case in point, because we live in the 21st century, we'd like to say that we as a people and as a society are more "evolved" than people in the 10th, 15th, or 20th century. The irony about this is that through all mankind, this same type of thinking occured throughout the entire history of mankind. For example, the Renaissance was seen as the pinnacle point of mankind back in that day in age, both as a society and intellectually. To say that we've evolved from then would actually be a misnomer because as a society, culture, and as a people, we've digressed in comparison. So the thinking or your train of thought is actually what is static... as the train of thought has remained the same throughout the ages.

[TheProfiteer]

You have children? I'm just curious... because in some ways, what you're saying is actually agreeing with me. Where your genetics come into play, rebellion is in our DNA and the very fabric of who we are.

Although its inhumane and completely unethical, if you were to lock up a child or confine a new born child in a place that provided all the necessities that it needed (food, changing, etc.) that I am absolutely sure that the baby will one day rebel. Even if there were only positive human influences or interactions or none at all. So to say that a baby is a product of its environment is off base as well. Even if the baby was cared for by machines that monitored the baby 100% of the time and knew when the baby would poop before the baby ever did or knew when the baby would be hungry, the baby still has a choice to take the nipple to eat.

Because what you're saying is that these things are learned but what I'm saying is that they are not learned but born within us... already a part of us to the core of our DNA.

What I find interesting about your remarks about Christianity being static is that we as human beings like to consider ourselves as "evolving." Where the longer we are on this earth, the smarter we are or were in comparison to the previous generation or generations before us. Case in point, because we live in the 21st century, we'd like to say that we as a people and as a society are more "evolved" than people in the 10th, 15th, or 20th century. The irony about this is that through all mankind, this same type of thinking occured throughout the entire history of mankind. For example, the Renaissance was seen as the pinnacle point of mankind back in that day in age, both as a society and intellectually. To say that we've evolved from then would actually be a misnomer because as a society, culture, and as a people, we've digressed in comparison. So the thinking or your train of thought is actually what is static... as the train of thought has remained the same throughout the ages.

go back and rethink all of that, while you have a valid basis, you do not have a valid point.

[ahabion]

go back and rethink all of that, while you have a valid basis, you do not have a valid point.

LoL its a rather moot point in this forum and I'm tired... Look at the time stamp... it was 1AM when I posted and I'm still tired. 4 hours of sleep doesn't feel good.