Yeah, i took an anthropology class in college and the teacher was trying to preach the same stuff...australopithecus afarensis
Yeah, i took an anthropology class in college and the teacher was trying to preach the same stuff...australopithecus afarensis
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Its difficult to grasp because we cant see it happening, but it happens. Those two skull samples are separated by almost two hundred thousand yearsOriginally Posted by Benefit
Authenticity of the Quran,
http://www.ilaam.net/Articles/AuthenticQuran.html
The Science in Quran
http://miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_95.html
So what you're telling me is that the Quran is the word of Allah, which was told by an angel, who then told Mohammed to write it down.
Sounds like another book I once read, which was written in a surprisingly similar fashion.
Or are you trying to say that the Quran and Allah is true because the Quran itself says its true?
Yup, im guessing the other book you read was the Bible. Islam actually believes Jesus was also a prophet who was given the same task to send the message. Don't remember whole thing but the Bible was somehow altered which was why the Quran was revealed like 600 years later. Unless someone proves that Mohammed,Jesus, and Moses were somehow part of a fairy tale and the Quran actually composed by an illiterate arab, ill stick with my belief in god.
Harry potter ?
Not the text I was referring to, but it'll work.
lol basically its an endless debate. Two completely different points of view.
Yes, I Couldn't live with out the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost!!
Not knocking anyone else but for me and my house hold it will be "Jesus" forever and ever..
Not for Riches, Not for saftey, - Just because I love Him. (Although I'm grateful for His gift of eternal life, salvation, and forgiveness of sins - Thanks U Jesus!)
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Man - I was flipping channels and ran up on this tbn show and talk about "Real Talk" - true blessing right her!
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Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Looking back at my post in 2009, and 2˝ years later I am leaning more and more towards the evolution side. It's just Proof vs. No-Proof. Damn I love watching SCI, NatGeo and Discovery. Why would you even only want to believe in One thing? Expand your mind and let it run wild. There are endless possibilities this universe can offer to us. Unfortunately we probably will never see, either because of 12/21/12 or just b/c we are just too young.
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Same here... Proof vs. No Proof... Anyone watch ancient aliens? It makes more sense Devine beings were aliens.
Lol proof...no one can answer my question about the giraffe or why monkeys are still around
I showed you the proof. The proof is in textbooks all around the world. Monkeys are still around for the same reason humans are still around. They are another branch on the evolutionary tree. Failure to understand evolution doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
What about the textbooks that were around before darwin?
Very good question. Think of this the same way you know why computers didn't exist in the 1800s. As the human brain EVOLVED, we got smarter, more inquisitive. Just like someone came along and discovered the microchip, or the car, or the fact that the earth was round, or solar centricity, Charles Darwin was one of the first to observe and document evolution.
I am not denying evolution, it occurs, i know. But it is not drastic like a monkey turning into a human. it is more like a lizard>salamander not lizard>crocodile
And its also funny where people think religion or evolution...both are real
Evolution isn't linear. It's complex. It's like the branches of a tree that's been growing for billions of years. Billions. History has only been around for a blink of an eye comparatively so it's difficult to grasp. Religion is real in the sense that the term and the ideal exists. Scientifically, no one has proved the existence of a creator, Jesus, Mohammad, Allah, or any of that. Religion is a construct of man used to give a single meaning to life and to give a single answer to the unknown. It's scary to think that once you die, that's it. There's nothing else. Religionists think that that strips all meaning from life, when it reality it gives life that much more meaning. Religion is dangerous. It is the single leading cause of war and aggression. You leave the meaning of an evil, religious text in the hands of man to interpret his own way. That leads to a struggle.
I find it incredibly troubling that in such an advanced society that we still use religion as a crutch when the answers are out there. Sure it takes a little more work, but in the end it's more beautiful and more rewarding to find them than to shrug them off as a design of a creator
"all point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not increase it."
This is exactly opposite of what evolutionists claim. They claim that mutations caused single celled organisms to evolve into people.
But, how could a single celled organism evolve into anything if a mutation would cause it to lose genetic information?
Evolution demands mutations that produce new information. But mutations cannot and do not provide new information.
Some Evolutionists like Pierre-Paul Grasse are starting to see this flaw in their theory. Grasse is on record as saying:
"No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution."
"I agree 100 percent with my creationist brethren that our ancestors did not swing from trees by their tails"
A chameleon didnt acquire the trait of changing colors by evolving from a different lizard...even that is too big of a mutation or evolution...so monkey to human is pretty much absurd...
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I don't deny aliens but it's as hard to believe as time travel. Also you have to know the good text and that angels wS on earth with mankind at one point. So our ideas and advancement could come from them.
Also a theory of what the mayans saw was angels not aliens.
I just follow a guy named Darwin or atheist I'd rather have a higher being to have faith in then nothing at all.
It we all was to die tomorrow I know I'd die with hope and faith.
Not go out like a fart in the wind like atheist will
But you just might. No one really knows. Later, QD.
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If you can't prove your point either way what is the use in arguing? No one can say definitively that there is or is not a creator, be it god or an alien civilization. So what's the use in carrying on trying to get someone to believe in what you do? Chances are you're never gonna change their minds because arguing automatically puts people on the defensive and they are much less likely to listen. I'm not saying I agree either way, I know what I believe and those are my personal beliefs.
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No one fails to understand evolution. Just sees evolution from a different perspective.
http://www.parvez-video.com/insight/...uran/index.asp
There isn't another perspective of evolution.
Oh well, even if there was ANY WAY we evolved from a monkey...the monkey still praises allah
This is what really, really turns me off religion. Those people are not content with having their faith. They insist on shoving it down everyone's throat. I got so tired of them knocking on my door every other weekend and refusing to believe that I wasn't interested that I finally invited them in....................to a mock scene of a witchcraft ritual. It could have backfired on me, but luckily it didn't. They have not been back to my house in over two years. Also, every time they come to the neighborhood and park their car in front of my house to traipse the area, I step outside with phone in hand and they immediately run to their car and move it.
Point is, I don't go to these people's place of worship and try to convince them their is nothing to their faith so don't come to my home and try to convince me of your beliefs. If I want to learn, I'll come to you. Later, QD.
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Whats really frustrating is when religious people ask me questions about how the world actually works: "so what is 1+1 anyway?". When I tell them the answer is 2 and this is how you get the answer, they're usually like "that's bullshit, god/Jesus/etc. says its 3". So why even ask? Religion and creation are
so engrained in their whole way of life that it's sometimes difficult to question it at all. A lot of the time I run into people that are on that edge, but are afraid to question their beliefs simply because of what their family friends will think of them, because it is absolutely taboo to question god.
So why argue? For those willing to open their minds, It's rewarding to see people overcome religious constraints and stop believing in dogma. It's a weight on a lot of people's shoulders having to live by bronze age standards and norms. Its a relief to know that ultimately no one is judging your actions but man.
You do realize there is no specific timeline in the Bible. Where some people come up with this 6,000 yr old Earth stuff is beyond me.
People that are non-believers can still get to Heaven. However, they will be judged on their actions in life. Jesus died to save all who believe (and truly live a Christian life after being "saved") from that judgement. You can't just have an "I believe in God as my back-up plan in case he exists" mentality. One of the benefits of being an Omnipotent God is... Well, being Omnipotent. He knows. If a Tibetan Monk that lived in a Monastery and never heard of Jesus or the Gospel, yet still lead a righteous life... Do you think he would be denied Heaven? I don't.
The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council also gave their assessment of this back in the 60's as well. "The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church."
(Sorry for the rant, my mind went off on a tangent. Not an attack on you or your statement)
True dat.
LOL... And I guess anyone that believes in a divine power or differently than you are the closed-minded ones right?
Is having a debate on religion over the internet really any different?
I'm in your house, trying to convert y0 mind without knocking on the door.
LOL.
But yeah... I agree with you on this one. Believing is a choice. If you don't believe, fine. I'm not here to convince anyone otherwise. I don't have the Bible memorized and all the answers off the top of my head, and I'm sure there is someone more knowledgeable on the subject than me here. In fact, I may not even being doing a good job at relaying whatever is "approved" doctrine. I believe what I believe based on what I have experienced in my life. Nothing more, nothing less. I go to church to "continue my education" (for lack of a better term), but that journey will last for more years than I have left.
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I think you misunderstood my comment. I have no intention to trying to persuade anyone to believe anything. I assumed this was an open thread to discuss an understand different opinions on the same subject. No offense but I could honestly care less if you go heaven or hell.
I'm a "not sure" person. I don't completely toss out the idea, but the stories in the Bible are just such fantastical, unbelievable tales. I'm just really on the fence.
Being that you're really not anyone in particular, no offense taken. Later, QD.
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The belief that a "divine power" or a "creator" assists in evolution is aside from the theory of evolution itself.
To a degree we are all "not sure" people. None of us will ever know the answer until either 8lb 7 baby Jesus, the 12 Imam or the alien race that made us, comes back.
I'm a big believer in the Bible and God and will announce it at free will. I also will not push my religion on a person just cause they are lost to the good word. God just ask us to simply try spreading the word of faith not forcing it.
Also QD, yes when I was young I always thought how did all thus stuff happen that's claimed in the bible?
Then I learned many things were different back then and just cause I didn't see it myself why couldn't it happen.
Many people feel this same way still today about the moon landing.
My wife didn't know anything about the bible and little about god when I met her.
Now I have her more religious then ever and wanting her very own bible.
She loves books like Twilight, or Vpire diaries etc. But thinks the stories in the bible blow them away.
Not only cause they very well could have happen but the idea of people who had very little knologe could even try making this stuff up.
I read the bible once, now I'm very happily atheist.
I think that what determines a persons religious perspective is 99% attributed to whatever their parent's religion is. People get born into a christian family, then that christian family conditions their child to learn the ways of their beliefs by taking him to church and so on and the cycle continues and the child simply "goes with it" since they're taught that since day one. However some people choose to question whether or not what they've been told all along is true or not but most people LIKE TO CONFORM and that is my opinion of the perpetuating cycle of religion. Or atleast one major aspect of it. When it comes down to it I think people are just too scared or weak to accept that we might be all "alone" and after this life, there is only death waiting for us and to be an individual and question the norm.
I personally do not believe in any religion, but I do believe something is out there. Whether it is a god, or whether it's just "nature" because from a logical point of view, believing in the bible takes faith, but at the same time so does the big bang. They both takes faith to believe in because neither have been 100% proven. I don't know about you but I'm not smart enough to understand the complexities of the math behind the "big bang" theory.
I will say though, I have no idea how a person can believe in the bible. I mean why would god go to such a round about method to teach us his ways? If he was all powerful and all knowing wouldn't he just implant his teachings in our brains instead of giving us a book which is ridiculous and vague and able to be interpreted into several version because for 10 ppl who read it there are 10 different opinions? In fact why would he go through the trouble of making the earth at all and doing all of this, when he knew what would happen to all of us before he even created anything! Since he is all knowing and all. The fact that he is an all knowing and all powerful god contradicts free choice right?
As far as aliens go....When you look up into the night sky and see all the little lights up there, those aren't stars. They're galaxies. Millions of galaxies, which contain millions of solar systems, which contain many more planets. You don't think there's a chance that one of those planets out of all x,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx of them don't have any type of life on it?
Well i just watched "Rise of the planet of the apes"...is that what got you riled up about being evolved from monkeys?
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