"Survival of the fittest" is a phrase originating in evolutionary theory, as an alternative description of Natural selection.
"Survival of the fittest" is a phrase originating in evolutionary theory, as an alternative description of Natural selection.
I see someone has gotten their theology degree from Wikipedia, lolol. Later, QD.Originally Posted by Benefit
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Keep hoping, QD. Won't happen. If by some act of Congress it does get proven tonight, grab my number from Kevin and call me. That will be worth a round of beers ( and Mtn. Dew in your case ) for everyone.
Bottom line is the existence of any one deity cannot be physically proven, and therefore will remain in a theoretical state until proven otherwise.
Idea > Theory > (empty space where research will determine if the theory can be proven) > Fact or Fiction.
You'll be waiting a long time...
No scientific law has ever been proven to be absolute, the existing ones just haven't been proven wrong yet... But we are kinda comparing apples to oranges. Science and Religion operate on two different planes. One is based on the physical universe, the other is not.
If we all came from single-celled amoeba... Where did the single-celled amoeba come from? What catalyst caused it to form and sparked it into life? How did it know it was alive? How did it know it wanted to survive?
Anyway, I'm not really here to debate anyone. Science has proven no one will change their mind based on an internet posting.
I really was just kidding. I don't really have any beliefs on any of this. I think we're all just here. Later, QD.
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First I'll explain how science shows modern primates and humans are connected. There is an ancient homonid species, A. afarensis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_afarensis), which is what the scientific community now regards as the common ancestor between us and modern primates. Separating it and putting it in different environmental situations, we can both agree that it would adapt to its surroundings. We are a result of millions of years of evolution of that adaptation, whatever the selected trait was, humans resulted from it, and primates resulted from a different selected trait, and within primates, they all resulted from their own selection. Think of it more like a tree than a line.
Years ago scientists found remains of an early human species. It had a similar skull and DNA similarities. That was about 200k-40k years ago. We can tell the age from the radiocarbon dating process. So you're not gonna see major evolutionary (morphologically human) changes in your lifetime. Not in about 100 of your lifetimes. Changes are gradual, and evolution is a VERY time consuming process. However, there are smaller evolutionary changes. There are studies that show lactose tolerance is a desirable evolutionary trait, and it is readily measurable. Another evolutionary change is ASPM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASPM_%28gene%29).
This is the reason I love it when creationists say "evolution is just a theory" I agree with them 100% on that. Theory is a hypothesis supported with facts, evidence, and repeated conclusive testing. The believe in creation, god, jesus, and the bible, on the other hand isnt supported by any of those. So those of us in the scientific community call that a "conjecture"
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Echonova again
Echonova brings the lulz
Name ONE thing that Jesus has personally done for you or anyone that you know in the last 5 years -- actually make it 10 years.
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Lolol
Using all these big ass words is now really starting to confuse me. Later, QD.
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Yeah, i took an anthropology class in college and the teacher was trying to preach the same stuff...australopithecus afarensis
Its difficult to grasp because we cant see it happening, but it happens. Those two skull samples are separated by almost two hundred thousand years
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Later, QD.
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Yes, I Couldn't live with out the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost!!
Not knocking anyone else but for me and my house hold it will be "Jesus" forever and ever..
Not for Riches, Not for saftey, - Just because I love Him. (Although I'm grateful for His gift of eternal life, salvation, and forgiveness of sins - Thanks U Jesus!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pM0h..._safety_mode=1
Man - I was flipping channels and ran up on this tbn show and talk about "Real Talk" - true blessing right her!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGEWr..._safety_mode=1
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Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Looking back at my post in 2009, and 2½ years later I am leaning more and more towards the evolution side. It's just Proof vs. No-Proof. Damn I love watching SCI, NatGeo and Discovery. Why would you even only want to believe in One thing? Expand your mind and let it run wild. There are endless possibilities this universe can offer to us. Unfortunately we probably will never see, either because of 12/21/12 or just b/c we are just too young.
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Same here... Proof vs. No Proof... Anyone watch ancient aliens? It makes more sense Devine beings were aliens.
Lol proof...no one can answer my question about the giraffe or why monkeys are still around
I showed you the proof. The proof is in textbooks all around the world. Monkeys are still around for the same reason humans are still around. They are another branch on the evolutionary tree. Failure to understand evolution doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
No one fails to understand evolution. Just sees evolution from a different perspective.
http://www.parvez-video.com/insight/...uran/index.asp
What about the textbooks that were around before darwin?
Very good question. Think of this the same way you know why computers didn't exist in the 1800s. As the human brain EVOLVED, we got smarter, more inquisitive. Just like someone came along and discovered the microchip, or the car, or the fact that the earth was round, or solar centricity, Charles Darwin was one of the first to observe and document evolution.
I am not denying evolution, it occurs, i know. But it is not drastic like a monkey turning into a human. it is more like a lizard>salamander not lizard>crocodile
And its also funny where people think religion or evolution...both are real
Evolution isn't linear. It's complex. It's like the branches of a tree that's been growing for billions of years. Billions. History has only been around for a blink of an eye comparatively so it's difficult to grasp. Religion is real in the sense that the term and the ideal exists. Scientifically, no one has proved the existence of a creator, Jesus, Mohammad, Allah, or any of that. Religion is a construct of man used to give a single meaning to life and to give a single answer to the unknown. It's scary to think that once you die, that's it. There's nothing else. Religionists think that that strips all meaning from life, when it reality it gives life that much more meaning. Religion is dangerous. It is the single leading cause of war and aggression. You leave the meaning of an evil, religious text in the hands of man to interpret his own way. That leads to a struggle.
I find it incredibly troubling that in such an advanced society that we still use religion as a crutch when the answers are out there. Sure it takes a little more work, but in the end it's more beautiful and more rewarding to find them than to shrug them off as a design of a creator
"all point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not increase it."
This is exactly opposite of what evolutionists claim. They claim that mutations caused single celled organisms to evolve into people.
But, how could a single celled organism evolve into anything if a mutation would cause it to lose genetic information?
Evolution demands mutations that produce new information. But mutations cannot and do not provide new information.
Some Evolutionists like Pierre-Paul Grasse are starting to see this flaw in their theory. Grasse is on record as saying:
"No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution."
"I agree 100 percent with my creationist brethren that our ancestors did not swing from trees by their tails"
A chameleon didnt acquire the trait of changing colors by evolving from a different lizard...even that is too big of a mutation or evolution...so monkey to human is pretty much absurd...
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I don't deny aliens but it's as hard to believe as time travel. Also you have to know the good text and that angels wS on earth with mankind at one point. So our ideas and advancement could come from them.
Also a theory of what the mayans saw was angels not aliens.
I just follow a guy named Darwin or atheist I'd rather have a higher being to have faith in then nothing at all.
It we all was to die tomorrow I know I'd die with hope and faith.
Not go out like a fart in the wind like atheist will
But you just might. No one really knows. Later, QD.
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As far as aliens go....When you look up into the night sky and see all the little lights up there, those aren't stars. They're galaxies. Millions of galaxies, which contain millions of solar systems, which contain many more planets. You don't think there's a chance that one of those planets out of all x,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx of them don't have any type of life on it?
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Because a gift that is demanded is no gift at all.
As far as being all-knowing contradicting free will... Not sure how you're reaching that. For example: Just because I knew you were going to buy that Sentra three weeks before even you did, didn't stop you from buying it, did it?
Who said anything about being alone in the universe? To take a quote from the horrid Jody Foster movie Contact... "I'd say if it is just us... seems like an awful waste of space."
But anyway, I'm not going to post in here anymore. The thread is about do you believe or not, yes or no. Debating it is pointless.
If you can't prove your point either way what is the use in arguing? No one can say definitively that there is or is not a creator, be it god or an alien civilization. So what's the use in carrying on trying to get someone to believe in what you do? Chances are you're never gonna change their minds because arguing automatically puts people on the defensive and they are much less likely to listen. I'm not saying I agree either way, I know what I believe and those are my personal beliefs.
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This is what really, really turns me off religion. Those people are not content with having their faith. They insist on shoving it down everyone's throat. I got so tired of them knocking on my door every other weekend and refusing to believe that I wasn't interested that I finally invited them in....................to a mock scene of a witchcraft ritual. It could have backfired on me, but luckily it didn't. They have not been back to my house in over two years. Also, every time they come to the neighborhood and park their car in front of my house to traipse the area, I step outside with phone in hand and they immediately run to their car and move it.
Point is, I don't go to these people's place of worship and try to convince them their is nothing to their faith so don't come to my home and try to convince me of your beliefs. If I want to learn, I'll come to you. Later, QD.
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You do realize there is no specific timeline in the Bible. Where some people come up with this 6,000 yr old Earth stuff is beyond me.
People that are non-believers can still get to Heaven. However, they will be judged on their actions in life. Jesus died to save all who believe (and truly live a Christian life after being "saved") from that judgement. You can't just have an "I believe in God as my back-up plan in case he exists" mentality. One of the benefits of being an Omnipotent God is... Well, being Omnipotent. He knows. If a Tibetan Monk that lived in a Monastery and never heard of Jesus or the Gospel, yet still lead a righteous life... Do you think he would be denied Heaven? I don't.
The Second Vatican Ecumenical Council also gave their assessment of this back in the 60's as well. "The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church."
(Sorry for the rant, my mind went off on a tangent. Not an attack on you or your statement)
True dat.
LOL... And I guess anyone that believes in a divine power or differently than you are the closed-minded ones right?
Is having a debate on religion over the internet really any different?
I'm in your house, trying to convert y0 mind without knocking on the door.
LOL.
But yeah... I agree with you on this one. Believing is a choice. If you don't believe, fine. I'm not here to convince anyone otherwise. I don't have the Bible memorized and all the answers off the top of my head, and I'm sure there is someone more knowledgeable on the subject than me here. In fact, I may not even being doing a good job at relaying whatever is "approved" doctrine. I believe what I believe based on what I have experienced in my life. Nothing more, nothing less. I go to church to "continue my education" (for lack of a better term), but that journey will last for more years than I have left.
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I think you misunderstood my comment. I have no intention to trying to persuade anyone to believe anything. I assumed this was an open thread to discuss an understand different opinions on the same subject. No offense but I could honestly care less if you go heaven or hell.
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