I wouldn't either but I would have to see proof of existence.
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I wouldn't either but I would have to see proof of existence.
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I know that God exists. That's all that matters to me :D
i DO believe in GOD and I always will
You don't actually know He exists. As the person below me says:Quote:
Originally Posted by boostedem1
Would be more accurate and spot on. I can never understand how someone "knows" something yet can not provide proof. As for believing, though? That's completely understandable and, well, believable (lolol). Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbuice5591
Well I could provide "evidence", though it isn't physical proof. It's something that only I understand and probably wouldn't make any sense at all to you or anyone else. Things that are too great to be a coincidence. There are simple significant "signs" that I see on a regular basis after he "spoke" to me. Like stated before I know there is a a higher power because my imagination is far too poor to make these types of things up and keep them consistent.
Unless it's physical, there is no evidence. Christianity is all based on beliefs. Not facts. There is no knowing when it comes to religion. It's all in what you believe or have been taught to believe. And I don't knock anyone for their beliefs. If that's what you need, then it's all you and it's all good. Who am I to judge you, yes? And never underestimate your imagination. It's far more powerful than you think, dude. Later, QD.
I can respect your response. As far as my religion goes, my experience came out of nowhere. I never believed in any God nor did I think anything could change my mind. I suppose I have a lot a faith is something now, which I don't believe will have a negative effect on me. A lot of people these days just say they believe because they are afraid of what may happen to them someday. Others just follow what they have been taught their whole lives and treat it as a lifestyle, and don't truly understand what they are talking about. I do agree that the human mind is an incredible thing. There are many things that your mind is capable of, that which most people never experience or have an opportunity to use.
I don't really know where I am in religion. I have to believe that there is more out there than just us, but without evidence, it just makes it hard. I used to find myself trying to believe for that reason you stated in wondering if what the Bible says is true about what happens when you die. I stopped that because I knew it wasn't right. My stance is that I do believe there is something there, but have questions that will LITERALLY never be answered by anyone on this Earth. I don't live my life thinking God or Jesus will get me through it, but I do live according to what is told in the Commandments. But I mostly live by that because, to me, it is morally right. Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by boostedem1
For once QD, I think we agree. Lol. I'm more of a prove it to me type of guy, like you say there is no physical evidence. I find it hard to live my entire life believing something that most likely isnt true. I have many discussions with friends and co-workers all the time. These are a few topics I brought up the other day when we were discussing it....Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
1. How many people do you know that have a religion that DIFFERS from their parents or their family? Do you REALLY think that most people get the opportunity to decide on their own, what religion they REALLY believe in? OR are they forced to believe what their family believes? With the exception of people who don't have a religion, EVERYONE i know believes what their family believes.
2. Doesn't it seem like most who are "chruch going" people are made out to be "better" then people who don't go to church? I'm a great guy and morally I make smart decisions. I've had problems in the past with parents wanting their daughters to date a "church going" guy. My question is, why do people think that automatically makes the guy worthy to date their daughter? When my daughter gets older, I'm going to get to know the guy she is dating on a personal level, not judge what he believes is going to happen when he dies......
No one can depend on their religion to get them through life. You are the only one that can control your life and believing otherwise is just ignorant. Everyone knows right from wrong and can make their own decision when the time comes. If I have even the slightest feeling of negativity from a situation I do not commit. I live my life as morally correct as I can, because living in this manner I believe only good karma will come my way. If I see someone that needs help where I can give them support I will be there for them. Not just because of religion, more of based on how I was raised and know what I should and shouldn't do.
All I can say is that if there is a god, and he requires being formally worshiped (churches and so on) then I really don't want anything to do with it. I grew up catholic, and the church always drilled it into our heads that you have to go to church to be a good catholic, which I did for a while. But as you get older you start to realize that people (including those who run your church) don't always tell the truth and don't always have your best interest in mind. Then you get exposed to a plethora of other religions and I've got to imagine that any logical person thinks, "Wow so many other people have such strong beliefs in other religions. How can I be so sure that MINE is the one that is absolutely correct and everyone else is wrong?". As it stands I am open to the existence of god, but as far as I'm concerned if there is a heaven my way will be paved by moral actions over my lifetime as opposed to worship. I think if there is an all knowing and understanding god... He will understand and respect my position... Agnostic :D
Im not Christian, but this website breaks it down pretty well.
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/index.php
That is the stupidest website I have ever seen. I hope you don't think that it provides absolute proof that god existsQuote:
Originally Posted by Chilanter
No, it wasn't proof. Just another point of view. I'm at a point where I dont need to look for some sort of mystery code to provide me evidence to know that theres a god. Its like asking why the sky is blue and the grass green. Its commen sense.
So, it's common sense that God exists? Care to elaborate on that?
Why grass is green has been proven. Why the sky is blue has been proven.
know = believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilanter
Common? Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilanter
The sky is blue because of Rayleigh scattering. Chlorophyll makes plants greenQuote:
Originally Posted by Chilanter
No secret code there! This info has been published in text book in grade schools all over for years. Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
You might have evolved from a monkey, but not me.
We all evolved single-celled amoeba. Later, QD.
If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys in today's world?
Is it star dust, single-cell amoeba or monkeys?
This is why I'm against religion and the belief in god. It makes it acceptable to shut our minds off to the answers and say "god did it".Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
Spongebob Squarepants, sir. Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benefit
And no one evolved from monkeys. This is a common evolutionary misconception. Evolutionary biology shows us that humans and modern primates have a common ancestor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benefit
Yeah, i guess the human eye was created from single cell amoeba...makes perfect sense
everything has a common ancestor...Quote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
You are correct. This is called abiogenesis. The study of how biological life aroseQuote:
Originally Posted by Benefit
Now we're getting somewhere! Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benefit
QD you serious...
looks like we have evolved from any and everything except a higher being...
so because a cat has a skull i have evolved from a cat?
You can't jump from a single celled organism straight to an eye. This isn't how evolution works, and something creationists fail to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benefit
Theres this book called the Quran(Bible,Torah) Thats dedicated entirely on the belief in god. If your actually looking for an understanding of why pple like me believe in the thing called god, then read an study it. Just like you would study every other theory or philosophy. Intead of debating an demanding answers from people who actually took the time to read.
Lolol. Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benefit
I am muslim, i have finished the quran 4 times...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilanter
It's funny, a lot of people I've talked to also don't believe in god BECAUSE they read The Bible and the QuranQuote:
Originally Posted by Chilanter
its like saying a tadpole went to a frog then the frog went to toad and became a gecko then chameleon somehowQuote:
Originally Posted by .blank cd
Reading that literature doesn't provide me with enough "evidence." Who's to say that some Joe Schmo didn't write this fantastical tale ages ago? Later, QD.
Evolution doesn't work that way either. It's not linear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benefit
Evolution is natural selection, not single cell amoeba turning into a human with complex organs over millions of years
Natural Selection, meaning there was 2 frogs, one could jump higher than the other therefore the one who could jump higher escaped from his enemy and now that frogs babies are higher jumping frogs...doesnt mean that frog turns into a color changing chameleon to avoid capture
Yes, natural selection plays a part in evolution, but you're only talking about one biological trait: leg strength. There are numbers of other factors that play into evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benefit