yojimbo you make some very strong arguements i have to give you that. especially the ones on evolution. you agreed in your above statements that evolution is a process of life. please explain to me then where that life originated. evolution doesnt explain that. you also stated that the earth is a living organism and that microorganisms have existed since the begining. please explain to me how those microorganisms became mountains, trees, grass, water, humans, animals, ect...all from the same microoganisms? and its not a possibility for an almighty all powerful God to make man from dust? i as a christian do believe in some form of evolution and i do believe in natural selection. i believe God gave all creatures the instinct to survive and adapt. hence natural selection. i believe to say that a big bang and evolution created everything and that the possibility of God doing it being imposible is a very close-minded and elementary way of thinking. i believe that God and science ( some form of evolution and adaptation) can co-exist. i believe in both. science alone falls short on explaining where everthing came from and i believe thats where God comes in.

as far as you saying that God enjoys suffering...no where in the bible does it state this. somethings happen cuz of outside influences( chemicals, environment, ect).

and you made a very strong point for my side of the debate...
ere's the thing - i can't define him. if he is god we can't imagine him. he'd be that great that i couldn't even begin to start making up his figure or how long is hair would be somethings should just be left alone.
why do people try to put God into their understanding? how can we mere humans try to comprehend something so awesome? He is above our explanation and understanding.