Religion - Join in the fun!

[ShooterMcGavin]

You believe this God created us through a series of highly elaborate near impossibly random series of events?

maybe, maybe not. but at the same time you believe we just popped into existence suddenly bc of a similar near impossible random series of events?

[Maniacc]

maybe, maybe not. but at the same time you believe we just popped into existence suddenly bc of a similar near impossible random series of events?

Actually I don't think that we just popped into existence and started clubbin', using drugs, starting wars, ect ect.
I'm not dull. But I wil say that evolution and the start of life is still something I'm doing research on. Besides the simple - microorganism evolving into a more complex organism and that organism evolving into a multi celled organism and so on... I want to learn everything I can about it.

I think it's an interesting topic and both anti/religious people should study. Reading actual documents about it with hardcore details is a lot better than reading a quick story book about how it tries to explain that life was created in a time frame that isn't even long enough for my facial hair to grow. But for some divine being 6 days is all it took to create different kinds of animals, oxygen & hydrogen, a weather system, natural phenomena, solar systems, super novas, ect. etc.

He can create all of that in a matter of days. Yet he can't help out people in need or create a world where there is no evil, murder and where everyone can live with no worries and no pain? Oh wait, that's what heaven is for. But to get there you have to kiss his ass and donate 10% of your hard earned money to an organization that promises and promises yet you never recieve anything in return. Funny how that works.

[99hatch]

Actually I don't think that we just popped into existence and started clubbin', using drugs, starting wars, ect ect.
I'm not dull. But I wil say that evolution and the start of life is still something I'm doing research on. Besides the simple - microorganism evolving into a more complex organism and that organism evolving into a multi celled organism and so on... I want to learn everything I can about it.

I think it's an interesting topic and both anti/religious people should study. Reading actual documents about it with hardcore details is a lot better than reading a quick story book about how it tries to explain that life was created in a time frame that isn't even long enough for my facial hair to grow. But for some divine being 6 days is all it took to create different kinds of animals, oxygen & hydrogen, a weather system, natural phenomena, solar systems, super novas, ect. etc.

He can create all of that in a matter of days. Yet he can't help out people in need or create a world where there is no evil, murder and where everyone can live with no worries and no pain? Oh wait, that's what heaven is for. But to get there you have to kiss his ass and donate 10% of your hard earned money to an organization that promises and promises yet you never receive anything in return. Funny how that works.

You need to get off of the whole 6 days thing. Yes the first verse of the Bible says this, did you get any further than that? Also in the Bible it states that God does not live under our "time." He doesn't live on earth where the world rotates completely around in a 24 hour period. So therefor 1 day to him is not 24 hours like it is to us. There is one verse, i am looking for it now, but cant find it right this sec..........that states that a day to God is like 77,000 days to us. (don't direct quote me, i will post the verse later when i find it.) So yes it says God created the earth in 6 days, but his days are not the same. So Yes those days could have spanned over years in time.

Also if you want a world with no evil in it, then why even have a world to begin with. If you didn't have the choice of free will, then we would all just be some mindless robots. The Devil runs the earth till Jesus comes back. Thats why we have evil in the world.

Let me ask you a question. You say you don't want to base your belief's on faith alone. I can understand that. For someone to have faith in anything they need to have proof that it exists......Maybe you haven't seen that proof yet, and I would be skeptical as well. However to believe in evolution you have to have faith in it. There is no proven fact that evolution happened. I find it a lot easier to believe God created Earth and everything else, than there was a ball of matter than exploded and over millions of years everything in our world fell into place. Our Ecosystems, the way that plants use carbon dioxide but put out Oxygen, and we are the opposite.........How everything in our environment coincides so well. This is just one example, but look at the world around you and you want to tell me that all this happened by chance.

Sir Fred Hoyle said that ... the origin of life ... the information content of the higher forms of life is represented by the number 1040 000 - representing the specificity with which some 2,000 genes, each of which might be chosen from 1020 nucleotide sequences of the appropriate length .... The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that `a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein'. " (Hoyle, F., in "Hoyle on evolution," Nature, Vol. 294, 12 November 1981, p.105).

[Maniacc]

You need to get off of the whole 6 days thing. Yes the first verse of the Bible says this, did you get any further than that? Also in the Bible it states that God does not live under our "time." He doesn't live on earth where the world rotates completely around in a 24 hour period. So therefor 1 day to him is not 24 hours like it is to us. There is one verse, i am looking for it now, but cant find it right this sec..........that states that a day to God is like 77,000 days to us. (don't direct quote me, i will post the verse later when i find it.) So yes it says God created the earth in 6 days, but his days are not the same. So Yes those days could have spanned over years in time.

I've read a lot more, skippy.
And from my understanding a day for God is 1,000 years.

Also if you want a world with no evil in it, then why even have a world to begin with. If you didn't have the choice of free will, then we would all just be some mindless robots. The Devil runs the earth till Jesus comes back. Thats why we have evil in the world.

Do you also believe that evil sprits hangout in our upper atmosphere?

Are animales evil too because of lucifer? Or are they just doing what their instincts are telling 'em to?

Let me ask you a question. You say you don't want to base your belief's on faith alone. I can understand that. For someone to have faith in anything they need to have proof that it exists......Maybe you haven't seen that proof yet, and I would be skeptical as well. However to believe in evolution you have to have faith in it. There is no proven fact that evolution happened. I find it a lot easier to believe God created Earth and everything else, than there was a ball of matter than exploded and over millions of years everything in our world fell into place. Our Ecosystems, the way that plants use carbon dioxide but put out Oxygen, and we are the opposite.........How everything in our environment coincides so well. This is just one example, but look at the world around you and you want to tell me that all this happened by chance.

Actually Mr. Hatch there is proof of evoultion out there. I've read on some experiments that some scientists are conducting. They're doing something with the dna on some bird(forgot the name, but will look for it later) and noticed that the embryo changes. The bird during the process grows teeth, similier to a raptors'. Another one also grew feathers, or what looked to be feathers.

This experiment or act of devolution should be proof that our current birds do have some characteristics very simlier to dinosaurs. Not saying they came straight out of the Jurassic period but im sure this should be some nice evidence that can back up evolution.

And if you would like to continue with me on this discussion could you please post up something new that I've not already replied to once in the past? And something new like new data and new information that would actually give me a chance to use my mighty brain powa! Pretty please...

Sir Fred Hoyle said that ... the origin of life ... the information content of the higher forms of life is represented by the number 1040 000 - representing the specificity with which some 2,000 genes, each of which might be chosen from 1020 nucleotide sequences of the appropriate length .... The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that `a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein'. " (Hoyle, F., in "Hoyle on evolution," Nature, Vol. 294, 12 November 1981, p.105).

For one thing, evolution covers what life does after it exists. The origin of life is something else.

Also, what's wrong with your post is that you can't really calculate the probability of something occurring after it's occurred. And you certainly can't calculate the probability that beings able to calculate would occur, because if they didn't, you wouldn't be there to do it. Just because the chances of this planet... being at our current location - odds are indeed fucking insane! But, ask that dude to calculate the mathematical probability of God existing. It wouldn't be possible...

The real problem is that we don't have good priors. Given what we know about the universe, we might compute that the probability of all of this happening by chance is small. But we don't know very much. It might be that if we knew more, we would see that intelligent life was virtually inevitable.

And given that we exist, that should raise our priors regarding the overall likelihood. If you find a fly in your soup, it raises the probability that there will be more flies, even if your original estimate was that the probability of a fly was very low.

So to add to my evolution talk - adaptation is the first stage of evolution, without organisms adapting to their environment we wouldn't have formed. Yes I believe this, and if you believe that the way we were created was by Adam and Eve and the inner breeding of Noah and his family than you're too deep into the misconceptions of the bible. And my babbling is just as pointless as the stories in the bible. I can't change your mind but I hope you agree with me that this is entertaining and that learning new things and debating is a great way to get your brain pumpin'.