Every known 'thing' in our existence has a beginning(birth) and an end(death).Originally Posted by zimabog
One thing can not go on forever and have existed before reality.
Every known 'thing' in our existence has a beginning(birth) and an end(death).
One thing can not go on forever and have existed before reality.
Unless reality has gone on forever.
What was before the birth of the universe?
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Emphasis on 'KNOWN 'THING'.
Could it not be that "GOD" is one of these unknown 'Things' that would not necessarily abide by those laws?
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
ISAtlanta300 - What I meant by 'every known thing' I meant cells - solar systems. Every single thing in one way or another has to created some how. The difference with God is that you can't be certain if there is even one to begin with. Trying to say that ONE being out there has been existing since before reality just doesn't make sense.
That's why I too argue the big bang because just like my theory about everything having to have a birth and a way to be 'created' the big bang falls into the 'can't be explained catagory.' I personally can't accept that God created life and every single thing on it. Random mutations in my ancestors' genetic code and a continual natural selection process as the environment continued to change over billions of years, together with the sexual selection of my ancestors' mates, have led to me. I am the result of an unbroken chain of living beings who successfully had progeny! This is how I think we came to be.
But then, what's just another theory? Might as well have been poofed into existence from dust, right? God created Adam and Eve. After a talking snake tricked them into eating an apple from God's forbidden tree, they were banished to earth. They had children, and those children had lots of incest to create more children. Over thousands of years of this cycle, here I am!
Gosh, now that sounds a lot better than my previous theory of how we all came to be. Maaannn, I've been wrong all along! *slaps forehead*
fcman - Well, what's wrong with that question is that you can't really calculate the probability of something occurring after it's occurred.
zimabog - I think at this point in time, our minds cannot comprehend or even begin to give reasonable/educated answers to solve this question. Although, I do think it's important to ask ourselves this question - you got to start somewhere.
Also, did you know bananas not only fit perfectly in our hands, but also in our assholes? Further evidence of humans being created by a higher power no doubt.
I didn't know that the search for an ultimate answer involved inserting a banana into ones rectum.
The thing is everything was created for us.
A banana was created for us to eat. And to perfectly fit in our hands. Golly, God sure is one super duper smart mofo.
God is dead n shit.
I think if there was or is a god, he's just a lonely dude who went crazy after a while, not having anyone to play with and all.
He has multiple personality disorders and life is just a virtual reality video game he plays to forget that he's the only thing that exists.
Not that I believe in god, but if i did,
how many billions of years could go by before you lose your shit.
Wow. Educated post. You should become street preacher against street preaching.
There's a lot of brains here on IA.
i believe in the guy.. anyother are fake.
and this too.
I get asked this question so many times. Why do you think the way you do, Maniac? Why don't you have faith? And I never care to explain myself but I think I will right now since I'm pretty fucking bored.
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Okay, as a kid I would go to Sunday school as most of us latinos do. I was too young to exactly know the influence and power that was being slipped into my young, unwilling, and unknowing mind. This period I have little memory of, but this is when the bonds of religion make their biggest impact - when you are young and soaking up all of this 'information' they put in your head as 'fact' in an attempt to prevent questioning it afterward.
So many people just 'go along with it' because it's what they have done since they were a child. Don't get me wrong though. Sunday school was fun - during lunch break and recess that is haha. Oh, and flirting with all the girls. :p
So after a couple years went by I grew and continued feeling this way. After a while all these thoughts, and others, I came to the conclusion religion was not for me. Too many things didn't add up, and I just did not have this 'faith' that basically ignorantly tied together loose ends with a make believe bond. To further explain what I mean by that - there are many things that do not make sense, at all, in regards to the Bible, religion, God, etc. How are those things addressed? You just have to have faith, is what they say. So, faith is this invisible bond that puts together these loose ends, not answers, but faith. Two completely different things, but in religion they are looked at with the same purpose.
The longer I went with that the more I realized that God is simply an emotion.
Marinate on this for a min.
When things go bad - people turn to God.
When things go well - people praise God.
When someone is lost - they talk to God.
When someone is hopeful - they pray to God.
When someone is lonely or afraid - they talk to God.
It took me awhile to fully realize all of that, but the more I realized it, the faster the truth came to me. It all came down to this: God is simply an emotion one creates to deal with uncertainty. The human mind does not like leaving things at 'I don't know.' It's frustrating to try and come to terms that you literally do not know something. You can't guess, can't lean more to one side than the other - you just straight up do not know. And how do you deal with that? You put God in it's place. Instead of not knowing you just say God is responsible.
It's just a constant trend.
For serious things such as death it puts one at ease to actually trick themselves to thinking they DO know and it, of course, has to deal with God. It's much easier to say 'I will go to heaven when I die and meet God' than it is 'I have no idea what is going to happen when I die.'
For less serious things, such as being alone/going through hard times/etc, it's comforting to think there is something out there listening, so it again all deals with God. It is much easier to pray and talk to God with this notion that he is listening, than it is to sit in a room and admit to yourself that you have no one else to talk to.
Again, it's just such a trend. So many people and celebrities go to rehab or jail and come out with some huge religious experience, and it's like why? It's because they were alone, afraid, and in a bad position. It's much easier to believe God is there and will help you instead of facing the fact that you are a heroin junkie with no one to talk to in your room at a rehab clinic.
All that's left for my thoughts are to simply sum them up to such a simple and short message: God is an emotion. From this I can say: Man created God - not the other way around.
This is just how I think and view religion. All the smartass/sarcastic comments are just put there to keep things spicy. It's cool to have something - if it's God then good for you. But placing a truth stamp on the bible to me is just ridiculous. I don't like to hide my emotions when it comes to this so if I've offended some people with some of my posts' then all I can say is; grow the fuck up.
Last edited by Maniacurabus06; 02-10-2009 at 02:35 PM. Reason: i made a small error and i'm trying to sound smart so yea... why, do you have a fucking problem?
boring:::;;...;;;.
i gotta fart..........................................feel much better. it kinda smell like egg.
Summarizing some of the unsolved problems confronting evolution,
Francis Hitching observed: "In three crucial areas where [the modern evolution theory] can be tested, it has failed:
The fossil record reveals a pattern of evolutionary leaps rather than gradual change.
Genes are a powerful stabilizing mechanism whose main function is to prevent new forms evolving. Randon step-by-step mutations at the molecular level cannot explain the organized and growing complexity of life."
Then Hitching concluded by making this observation: "To put it at its mildest, one may question an evolutionary theory so beset by doubts among even those who teach it. If Darwinism is truly the great unifying principle of biology, it encompasses extraordinary large areas of ignorance. It fails to explain some of the most basic questions of all: how lifeless chemicals came alive, what rules of grammar lie behind the genetic code, how genes shape the form of living things."
In fact, Hitching stated that he considered the modern theory of evolution "so inadequate that it deserves to be treated as a matter of faith."
This is still going?
You can't prove either way, evolution or God's creation. Give it a rest, lol!
Idk whats going on in here, but since its about religion ill join.
I'm a muslim. I beleive in straping a bomb around my chest and running into bunch of folks. But no joke, i am muslim and i beleive in following things:
1.There is god
2.I beleive in faith
3.I beleive in hell and heaven.
Those are few things. I could go and on and on about what Kur'an has to say.
And if you ever read Kur'an, and read the bible or talked to someone who read the bible, you will find out that there are soooooo many similarities between what Kur'an say, and what bible say.
What i also beleive is that religion is made up. I also believe that everyone came from one women and one man, which in my opinion makes us all brother and sisters.
And I HATE WHEN PEOPLE TRY AND MAKE SOMEONE BELEIVE WHAT THEY BELEIVE IN.
NONE OF US REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED 30000000 YEARS AGO OR W.E.
NOONE HAS ANY PROOF BUT WRITTEN DOWN BOOKS.
Writing was invented because the passing down of information verbally from person to person or from people to people was becoming quite unreliable and could be subject to almost irreversible distortion or manipulation.
WRITING WAS NOT INVENTED TILL LONG TIME AFTER JESUS, MUHAMMED ETC...W.E. YOU MAY BELEIVE IN. SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS PASSED DOWN WAS NOT CHANGED SOME WHERE IN THE MIDDLE BEFORE IT WAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN DOWN.
NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT IS WHEN YOU DIE, NOBODY REALLY KNOWS IF THERE IS GOD, NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING TILL THEY DIE AND SEE. WE ALL CAN JUST BELEIVE IN WHAT WE WERE TOLD TO BELEIVE AS KIDS.
I ALSO HATE WHEN PEOPLE TELL OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE WRONG AT WHAT THEY BELEIVE IN.
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I'm fucking Maniac, man. What do you expect?
There's a difference between an evolution theory and faith.
You should know better.
CivictR is the only person known to man who got rejected in an attempt to make extra cash at the sperm bank with his donation. Turns out there's enough retarded people in this world.
Seriously, shut the fuck up.
Hahaha, omfg I hope you're not fucking serious!
You're saying that literature was invented AFTER Jesus and Mohammed?Wow, you're a lot dumber than I fucking thought.
writing has been around since at least 3000BC
actual writing was not invented till after, ingravings, stones etc was around which we find today on rocks and shit. But my point was, who is to say that they are right in what the beleive.Hahaha, omfg I hope you're not fucking serious!
You're saying that literature was invented AFTER Jesus and Mohammed?
how would u know this, just cus some scientist or w.e. dug up a stone, and some how they made hypothesis that its from 3000bc or w.e.?
I am GOD bow before me
Many advocates of evolution feel that they do have sufficient reason to insist that evolution is a fact. They explain that they are just arguing over details. But if any other theory had such enormous remaining difficulties, and such major contradictions among those who advocate it, would it so readily be pronounced a fact? Merely repeating that something is a fact does not make it a fact. As John R. Durant, a biologist, wrote in The Guardian of London: "Many scientists succumb to the temptation to be dogmatic,...over and over again the question of the origin of the species has presented as if it were finally settled. Nothing could be further from the truth...But the tendency to be dogmatic persists, and it does no service to the cause of science."
well a lot of the tablets actually have the date printed on them. of course its not like "2/11/09" or something. A lot use astrological methods which are still know today. Also, writing is found within the tombs of kings and such. Radiocarbon dating on the kings can help date those. To be truthful, even stuff written a milena before Jesus was supposedly around is pretty darn clear. Very early chinese character writing was found on turtle shells, radiocarbon dating to around 6500BC. On cuneiform tablets, the name of the scribe, date, and the city were it was written is inscribed on the tablet. Hieroglyphs are from about 3000 BC too and are also detailed. We know what they say because translations of Egyptian hieroglyphs into Greek have been found. The spoken language of ancient Egypt is very similar to Coptic, which is widely known.
we see bacteria evolve all the time.
NEW TOPIC: The Shroud of Turin.
I just wanted to get some of the "believers" take on this thing. Is it real? is the man depicted in it Jesus, and any other thought yall might have on it.
So you think that just because civilization started producing books and school systems that it was all due to the event that took place 2,000 years ago in Calvary? Perhaps it was due to intelligence and the desire to understand what life is... ask questions, science, literature, art, music, ect.
Seriously man, the birth of society was not due to Jesus Christ or anyone else. We made the advancements NOT Jesus/God/Santa Claus/Lucifer or the Easter Bunny.
So you're some brainiac now huh? You paying more attention in science class now?
I don't need to post up a huge wall of text just to shut you up because I know that you're not educated enough in this subject and that you're not going to be able to respond with something of equal value.
Prove it......prove that the birth of society was not due to God and/or Jesus Christ. Screw the movie 10 Commandments, screw Passion of the Christ, screw it all.
Prove that there is no God, then prove that we exist due to evolution. Screw the scientist and paleontologist where'd they come from any way? We have no fucking clue.
Santa and the Easter Bunny......is bullshit, lol! Number 1 and 2 of paganism.
Maniac is right on lots of stuff, wayyyyyy back in this thread he called people out; lots of you asses fell for it too. We call ourselves religious and believe that Jesus died so that we may live, he payed for our sins. God put in place 10 simple things to live by for a place in the kingdom after death.
Christianity has been twisted and torn down over time. The foundation is there, but people have interpreted it however they feel to fit their needs.
I see what is right and wrong based off how I was raised, and what I have seen in life. Religious faith is a blueprint that needs to be understood and not taken at FACE VALUE. If you go to church and just listen to a person spew words, you need a little work. If you do not study your book for clarification and understanding, you need a little work. Half stepping any belief is a waste of time. Get you knowledge game up
Good debates here, carry on, lol!
Maniac, kick rocks, lol!
This has been a very successful troll, haha.
Bottom line is this: I am a lot smarter than a lot of you in the thread when it comes to religion. I can debate it all day - that's pretty much what I came in here to prove.
You are mean, lol. Now you have all of them questioning their beliefs.This has been a very successful troll, haha.
Bottom line is this: I am a lot smarter than a lot of you in the thread when it comes to religion. I can debate it all day - that's pretty much what I came in here to prove.Debating this is a never ending road, but when you don't know your stuff you shorten your road and crash in to brick wall of dumb.
Hopefully you all have learned from this.
If you have a belief, whether its religion or the special way your shoes should be tied, believe it and UNDERSTAND it.
Sorry, i never really studied histroy of writing, sorry for posting up false info. Just cause i made one false statment, doesnt mean im a complete dumb ass. get it dumb ass?
Sorry, you're smart im not.I never really got into the all how the earth was formed, how was writing formed and when or by whom etc...etc, still getting to that.
Was this at me or Maniac? My post was to the people who said random trash than made no sense in any religion. They know who they are, lol.
[QUOTE]=Maniacurabus06]CivictR is the only person known to man who got rejected in an attempt to make extra cash at the sperm bank with his donation. Turns out there's enough retarded people in this world.
Seriously, shut the fuck up.[QUOTE]
Im making so much money in this economic crisis, so i don't need to donate any sperm. In fact im so successful that i willing to give parts alway for free. Go ahead and pray to your GOD and hope that he'll throw you a spare bone.
Maniac.
HAHAHAHAHA!
c'mon brother, I can take you.
You have taught me well
Ok what about this--what about creation as an explanation of how life got here? Does it offer a framework for the evidence that is any more sound than the assertions that often underpin evolution?
And, as the best-known creation account, does Genesis shed any credible light on how the earth and living things got here?
2 things you should never try to argue about:
1.Religion
2.Politics
Now, do take this as me NOT trying attack you in anyway as you can believe in what you want to believe in whatever form or fashion you want to. Great thing about being Human (especially in America) is the freedom of choice.
Just want to address some of your questions
They do what they do because that is what they feel is right and ethically correct. In their reality (as screwed up as it may be for us) that is what they believe to be righteous and serving their god and their people.
To touch on the analogy, some religions may have a fee, but its not just religions on a "god" standard, but can be anything as far as an organization or grouping of people... be it a dues, initiation, etc.Car insurance? Now, we have to pay a fee of X amount of money a month just to be safe and to have a back up plan just in case something goes wrong, eh? Dude, come on.
Believe in what you want to, again the freedom of choice. Just like the above suicide bombers, they made their choice to die for what they believed in. Just like how soldiers die for their country all the time. There is a faith there, a belief that what they are doing serves a greater purpose than their own..And to me, it's stupid to include religion in your life. You don't need it nor do you need to waste your time on some imaginary just to 'be on the safe side.' I for one do believe in something higer, something that we can't comprehend.
Is it a God? No, is it some guy who walked around 2000 something years ago? No. I don't know what it is so I'd rather not put a name to it. Make sense? Or should I go ahead and post a figure of what I think it is?
Compare your meaning of a religious nut case and hold them side by side to a car enthusiast nut case. Some people are so deep into making their cars the fastest, prettiest, etc that they can spend their whole lifetime doing only that. I'm sure many people here and all have street raced before or even in a race before... not really the safest thing to do, but you do it because you believe in what you do, what your hands can build... etc. You are still doing something that you yourself believe in.I'm not willing to die for shit because I'm not a crazy ass lunatic.
Only religious nut cases go to that extreme. Why the hell should I do such ridiculous shit just to prove a point? Hahaha, religious people get asked the same question all the time. And what do they answer with? "Uhh, well, Jesus Christ still has a plan for me blah blah." Why can't they just say their a bunch of pussies and move on with their lifes?
Going back on the insurance analogy, it's not the "evil Spirits" but the comparison of an afterlife if at all. If you have car insurance and you get into an accident, you are in a sense protected... but who is to say that you would ever get into an accident? That is the whole business of insurance after all... "the just in case something happens." If something does happen and you have insurance, great (hopefully you don't have to pay anything)... if something happens and you don't have insurance... your gunna get spanked in the wallet. The analogy of religion as insurance can be drawn using that principle... is that why I believe in my faith? No, not for me... for others it may very well be.Are the "Evil Spirits" the police in this analogy? What if you do have car insurance and you fuck up? You're not covered - you have to pay. So if religion is like that - do you have to pay in, which way? Money, time in hell? Please tell me, I'm curious.
And also, you have many car insurance companies.
How do I know I will get covered as good as the other company? Would I be safer with a certain one then I would be with another?
I don't know about you man but I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.
And yes you do have multiple insurance companies to choose from and like anyone else, they'd refer you to their insurance company OR the best one they've had... likewise, religions would do the same.
Touching back from the beginning, the great thing about being human in America is that you have the freedom of choice. Choose what insurance company you want to go with, the extent of your coverage, etc... but it doesn't end there for choices... you can also choose to do you're homework on who gives you the greatest benefits of insuring with them. The same holds true for religions... do your homework if you CHOOSE to join one. If not, then more power to you... again, freedom of choice.
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