The Big Bang Theory

[Lucky DAWG]

Yes, and a theorem is based on proven facts, so its nowhere near "made up".

Funny how you consider the other side retarded for "making up" things when in fact that is what the bible is. If this book is really the word of god, then wheres the proof that he dictated it?

funny how you put all the laughing emoticons on there because you were too lazy to read the whole thing and decided to skim through.

if you chose to go back and read word for word then you would see that i stated MULTIPLE times that i believe a lot of those things in the bible never happened but serve as a way for you to learn from and live your life as a good person.

i don't take the book word for word and realistically i realize it was written by human beings, read what i say before you try to use my own arguments against me

[man]

then watch your mouth cuz thats not what you said before
and what exactly is wrong with them

Many bishops, arch-bishops, w/e are beyond corrupt. I think if you will look back into history you will find this has been true for a long time. Once again I have nothing against those who truly follow the religion, but some of the higher-ups are horrible.

[4dmin]

funny how you put all the laughing emoticons on there because you were too lazy to read the whole thing and decided to skim through.

if you chose to go back and read word for word then you would see that i stated MULTIPLE times that i believe a lot of those things in the bible never happened but serve as a way for you to learn from and live your life as a good person.

i don't take the book word for word and realistically i realize it was written by human beings, read what i say before you try to use my own arguments against me

but if you believe in this why would you even consider yourself Christian of any doctrine?

[man]

ya your point... b/c your proving mine; that specificlly states there are laws to christianity. also sins may be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness with truth in your heart. you sound like one of those Xmas/Easter christians... i go 2x a year and i'm going to heaven. lol

dude you should really put more stock in what you believe.

You said we have laws to abide by. I posted the one law and it's pretty self-explanatory anyway, if you don't believe you won't be forgiven. How am I proving anything you said about having to follow a bunch of rules and take the entire Bible word for word?

[Pavlo]

I think you guys are all wrong, the universe was created from a backfire of a 911 SC on a cold Saturday morning.

[4dmin]

Many bishops, arch-bishops, w/e are beyond corrupt. I think if you will look back into history you will find this has been true for a long time. Once again I have nothing against those who truly follow the religion, but some of the higher-ups are horrible.

the creation of the bible is built upon the power hungry; do you honestly think constantine became christian b/c he believed in god?

[StupidBikerBoy]

DUH!!! And to make another state wrong. God chose whats good and whats wrong for human beings. The only reason why I stated adpatation since you dont believe in God I just made it more logically in your thinking. All I know is God put each human on Earth with different traits. I dont believe in evolution because of the fact that they cant prove where the other gene came from to make it a human being. Neither does a monkey love eating his own poo.

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists

Always lots of contradictions when religion tries to explain itself.

[4dmin]

You said we have laws to abide by. I posted the one law and it's pretty self-explanatory anyway, if you don't believe you won't be forgiven. How am I proving anything you said about having to follow a bunch of rules and take the entire Bible word for word?

so your by saying you don't believe the rest of the bible but one line basically states you don't believe it is real... how are you basing your faith on a book you don't believe in? that doesn't make sense.

[man]

Paul, you're arguing with three people who are saying the exact same thing about something you aren't even involved in. That would be like me going into NASA, listening to the scientists explain how a space shuttle works and then saying "Nope, you guys are all wrong. That's not how you're supposed to do it."

[StupidBikerBoy]

funny how you put all the laughing emoticons on there because you were too lazy to read the whole thing and decided to skim through.

if you chose to go back and read word for word then you would see that i stated MULTIPLE times that i believe a lot of those things in the bible never happened but serve as a way for you to learn from and live your life as a good person.

i don't take the book word for word and realistically i realize it was written by human beings, read what i say before you try to use my own arguments against me

Wow, don't we get all fussy when challenged.

Thanks for making that ASSumtion, but I did read it. You simply missed my whole point.

[man]

the creation of the bible is built upon the power hungry; do you honestly think constantine became christian b/c he believed in god?

So you're saying that a bunch of lower class guys wrote a book so that a thousand years later, people could use it to gain power...

[4dmin]

Paul, you're arguing with three people who are saying the exact same thing about something you aren't even involved in. That would be like me going into NASA, listening to the scientists explain how a space shuttle works and then saying "Nope, you guys are all wrong. That's not how you're supposed to do it."

no i'm not christian but i dont' understand who you say you are yet you don't follow the bible... i'm just wondering how strong your faith is or your points if you dissprove yourself by your lack of faith?

[4dmin]

So you're saying that a bunch of lower class guys wrote a book so that a thousand years later, people could use it to gain power...

if you believe in the bible then you would believe that it was written by god through man... i'm not christian i believe it is a church creation to create fear and submission

[man]

I'm done arguing this... I don't need to defend my beliefs and nothing said by unqualified people can sway me at all.

[4dmin]

I'm done arguing this... I don't need to defend my beliefs and nothing said by unqualified people can sway me at all.

lol i didn't know you had to be QUALIFIED to discuss faith.

[StupidBikerBoy]

The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.



In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.

Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.


Updated December 2, 1997

Who here believes in this theory? I personally believe in it and the theory of evolution.... how many people disbelieve it and how many people do believe in it?

Personally, I believe in both of these theories myself. I choose to believe what is more logical, and being these are based on actual facts and not just supersticious beliefs that began when man thought lightening came from an angry god.

Sadly though, you cannot debate this with the close-minded religous ranks because most choose to believe in fairy tales rather than proven facts. ANd its not unusual for them to find one unproven part of a theory and automatically discount it simply because it hasn't been proven yet, when in fact thier whole belief system lacks any proof of a higher being.

[§treet_§peed]

the thing with this is that... the bible used used to be a buook read for fun and/or enterteinment.. it was passed around and altered to sell better like many books were done. so with being said it is very true that alot of the stuff in it could of been altered to make it appeal more to people so it would sell better and more people would read it

[Stormhammer]

God said bang and the explosion spanned over 7 days.

Yea I pretty much believe in that right there as well - that God kinda set forth the bang and let things take their own course, but of course we as humans documented it in a way that at the time we could understand

[man]

lol i didn't know you had to be QUALIFIED to discuss faith.

It would be nice to discuss it with someone who knows something about religion, rather than your personal opinions about what Christianity is.

Same thing goes for science. I will gladly discuss the Big Bang with other people who know physics and such.

Debating with a bunch of random people over the internet solves nothing on either end. Am I supposed to just assume the people on here have done studies on religion or science to form their opinions?

[StupidBikerBoy]

but i think to believe that we are simply here on our own and are only purpose is to advance technology and biogenetically enhance the next generaion is nothing but depressing.

you have to believe in something bigger then yourself to keep a positive attitude on a day to day basis

god is for weak ppl who cant live life w/ out someone to depend on. god is a crutch

This is true, and why religion is for the weak minded. And we all have times in our lives where we are weak minded.

+1 ARH1192

[4dmin]

It would be nice to discuss it with someone who knows something about religion, rather than your personal opinions about what Christianity is.

Same thing goes for science. I will gladly discuss the Big Bang with other people who know physics and such.

Debating with a bunch of random people over the internet solves nothing on either end. Am I supposed to just assume the people on here have done studies on religion or science to form their opinions?

like wise other then someone who picks and chooses what is true/not

[StupidBikerBoy]

the thing with this is that... the bible used used to be a buook read for fun and/or enterteinment.. it was passed around and altered to sell better like many books were done. so with being said it is very true that alot of the stuff in it could of been altered to make it appeal more to people so it would sell better and more people would read it

This is another problem I have with the bible. Plenty have used it to further thier own agenda, and more than likely man corrupted it numerous times if not from the beginning.

[4dmin]

This is another problem I have with the bible. Plenty have used it to further thier own agenda, and more than likely man corrupted it numerous times if not from the beginning.

the entire religion is based on this; that is how it worked it's way into the mainstream of roman culture

[StupidBikerBoy]

I'm done arguing this... I don't need to defend my beliefs and nothing said by unqualified people can sway me at all.

No you don't need to defend your faith, but choosing to disbelieve proven facts because they are taboo for you is closed-minded and rediculous.

I don't think a man should have to defend his faith, but then he shouldn't be able to spread them either if he can't defend them.

[§treet_§peed]

yup see that is what i am saying at first it might of been all true.. then the bottom fell out when man got a hold of it.. cause man kind is made to fuck up

[4dmin]

No you don't need to defend your faith, but choosing to disbelieve proven facts because they are taboo for you is closed-minded and rediculous.

I don't think a man should have to defend his faith, but then he shouldn't be able to spread them either if he can't defend them.

^

[Lucky DAWG]

This is true, and why religion is for the weak minded. And we all have times in our lives where we are weak minded.

+1 ARH1192

since when is believeing in something bigger then yourself weak minded. if anything it is for the strong because you realize that you are not the center of the universe and would rather put others in front of your own well being.and yea i do get fussy when someone ignorantly posts and attacks my core beliefs simply because they didn't read. and what point did i miss, you still failed to mention it in your last post lol

and admin i think of myself as a christian because catholics are christians too and me not believing in everything in the bible is completely fine with me. As long as i know that my relationship is strong with god then that is all that matters to me.

and fcman, so basically you are basing your argument on the catholic church off of dead guys who died centuries ago, maybe bringing up the names of catholic officials currently in service would make for a more convincing argument.

[ISAtlanta300]

lol i didn't know you had to be QUALIFIED to discuss faith.

Not qualified, but at least knowledgeable. I won't go into a rocket science discussion if I don't know lick about propulsion. I would just be talking out of my ass on what I "see" and "hear" without having hands on knowledge.

[Lucky DAWG]

No you don't need to defend your faith, but choosing to disbelieve proven facts because they are taboo for you is closed-minded and rediculous.

I don't think a man should have to defend his faith, but then he shouldn't be able to spread them either if he can't defend them.

i agree with that 100%

which is why i do not understand what your problem is with me and why you attack my reasoning

[Lucky DAWG]

Not qualified, but at least knowledgeable. I won't go into a rocket science discussion if I don't know lick about propulsion. I would just be talking out of my ass on what I "see" and "hear" without having hands on knowledge.

its not what you see or hear
faith is about what you feel and that is different for everyone

you're on the same level as everyone else so don't be shy.
no one has any hands on knowledge of this topic what so ever

[4dmin]

Not qualified, but at least knowledgeable. I won't go into a rocket science discussion if I don't know lick about propulsion. I would just be talking out of my ass on what I "see" and "hear" without having hands on knowledge.

for someone who is christian i would expect a better answer then that... i'm still wondering how someone can say they are christian yet they don't follow the bible... they are just guidelines not laws to which i SHOULD follow. if the bible isn't something for you to follow then what is the point? WWJD?

knowledgeable is obviously a questionable trait for some.

[Lucky DAWG]

for someone who is christian i would expect a better answer then that... i'm still wondering how someone can say they are christian yet they don't follow the bible... they are just guidelines not laws to which i SHOULD follow. if the bible isn't something for you to follow then what is the point?

knowledgeable is obviously a questionable trait for some.

if the bible tells you that sunday is the day of the lord and that you should go to church and celebrate him every week yet you only go twice a year for what i presumably am guessing is easter and christmas.

then... what is the point?

it all seems rather contradictary what you say.

i don't believe that the stuff actually happened but i believe in the power of the things said in the bible, theres a difference there. and yet i go every week... i don't understand what you're saying

[4dmin]

if the bible tells you that sunday is the day of the lord and that you should go to church and celebrate him every week yet you only go twice a year for what i presumably am guessing is easter and christmas.

then... what is the point?

it all seems rather contradictary what you say.

i don't believe that the stuff actually happened but i believe in the power of the things said in the bible, theres a difference there. and yet i go every week... i don't understand what you're saying

that is what i'm saying... why say you are christian unless you follow the doctrine?

you can believe in a higher power w/o saying you are CHRISTIAN... its like, i believe some of the doctrine of the muslim faith but i'm not a muslim

by saying i'm christian yet you don't go to church and you don't follow the bible just shows you obviously aren't christian.

[Lucky DAWG]

that is what i'm saying... why say you are christian unless you follow the doctrine?

you can believe in a higher power w/o saying you are CHRISTIAN... its like, i believe some of the doctrine of the muslim faith but i'm not a muslim

by saying i'm christian yet you don't go to church and you don't follow the bible just shows you obviously aren't christian.

because i believe the most in what christianity has to offer so i align myself with them for the comfort of belong to a group.

if everyone had the mindset that you are suggesting then we would all have our own religion because no one thinks the exact same way whether they like to acknowledge that or not.

its just like political parties, i dont fully believe in what republicans say yet i associate with them because otherwise nothing would get done if everyone wanted to make their own party

[Lucky DAWG]

and i respect your opinion admin but i gotta get off for the night

you haven't made any assumptions about my religion as fcman did and i thankyou for that, and i would like to talk about this more with you

but i have an 8 page paper due tomorrow,
we'll pick it up another time
peace

[babygurl]

that is what i'm saying... why say you are christian unless you follow the doctrine?

you can believe in a higher power w/o saying you are CHRISTIAN... its like, i believe some of the doctrine of the muslim faith but i'm not a muslim

by saying i'm christian yet you don't go to church and you don't follow the bible just shows you obviously aren't christian.

paul paul...this is why we need to keep the staight religion forum lol

I have read in the bible, and always believed that church is where the heart is...You can sit at home, and praise the lord, and read the bible at home...

A church doesnt have to be 4 walls with a roof as well...

[Julio]

I love this shit!!!

bibble thumpers are a joke... The only thing the bibble is good for is to wipe my ass when I run out of toylet paper !!!

Is funny how some people dont want to argue or discuss and call others uneducated about the subject....
actually im shocked that so called "educated" people let other people brainwash them with BULLSHIT.

Evolution > Everything else...


Im starting my very own evolution HOUSE where we talk about the all mighty BIG BANG !!!

[§treet_§peed]

lol

[Maniaç]

damn what happened to this thread? L0L

[Maniaç]

All in all this thread had a very good turn out. the subject might be new to IA but not to the world.....
i really think we should take a few days off from all this shit talking have one of these educational threads instead.

Weird thing is that alot of people agree with me on this subject... good to know.
only time will tell..... the human race isn't going anywhere anything soon.

Maniac(Alex)_