"We do not hire faggots"

[MistaCee]

Their body doesn't change genetically/biologically. What changes is their legal status and the social and cultural recognition of their gender. You accept them as what they say they are regardless of parts they may or may not have.

Here's a question for you, what makes you a man... is it just biology, or is it not also culture? What would you say if you went and had a blood test and they told you have 2 X chromosomes (female) instead of XY (male). Would you still think of yourself as a man, or would you start dressing and acting like a woman?

It doesn't matter how you act you are what you are. When you act thats when you are in denial or pretend.

[oneSLOWex]

It doesn't matter how you act you are what you are. When you act thats when you are in denial or pretend.

Thats what Im saying. Trying to be something else besides what you really are is all in your imagination.

[Total_Blender]

It doesn't matter how you act you are what you are. When you act thats when you are in denial or pretend.

So you are saying that you would start calling yourself a woman if you found out that you had 2 X chromosomes, ovaries and a uterus then. So you wouldn't be living in denial, right?

If chromosomes are so important at determining who we are then why does the organism with the most chromosomes on Earth (1,000 compared to 46 for humans) look like this:

Ophioglossum Fern



Looks like just another plant to me?

[oneSLOWex]

So you are saying that you would satart calling yourself a woman if you found out that you had 2 X chromosomes then. So you wouldn't be living in denial, right?

If chromosomes are so important at determining who we are then why does the organism with the most chromosomes on Earth (1,000 compared to 46 for humans) look like this:

Ophioglossum Fern



Looks like just another plant to me?

It doesn't have male or female organs which determine its gender. So its totally different than a human being. Whats the point with the plant?

[Total_Blender]

It doesn't have male or female organs which determine its gender. So its totally different than a human being. Whats the point with the plant?

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.

So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

[MistaCee]

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.

So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

That doesnt make them change what they are just because one sounds,acts, and looks like something doesnt mean they are what they're cut out to be.

[Total_Blender]

That doesnt make them change what they are just because one sounds,acts, and looks like something doesnt mean they are what they're cut out to be.

According to you and your definitions. But you don't have the moral authority to define other peoples lives for them.

You may say I don't matter... I say you don't matter, in the end neither of us matter. Enjoy your self-righteous indignation at things you cannot change while you can, life is short.

[MistaCee]

According to you and your definitions. But you don't have the moral authority to define other peoples lives for them.

You may say I don't matter... I say you don't matter, in the end neither of us matter. Enjoy your self-righteous indignation at things you cannot change while you can, life is short.

Lol its funny that your calling me self -righteous when I just disagree with your opinion. Its cool though.

[oneSLOWex]

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.



So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

I was talking about why you would bring a plant into this discussion when it has no place. Thats what I meant.

So if they cannot change their primary characteristics, that still makes them either a man or a woman whether they like it or not. Even if they have a piece of paper saying they are what they are not.

[MistaCee]

So you are saying that you would start calling yourself a woman if you found out that you had 2 X chromosomes, ovaries and a uterus then. So you wouldn't be living in denial, right?

If chromosomes are so important at determining who we are then why does the organism with the most chromosomes on Earth (1,000 compared to 46 for humans) look like this:

Ophioglossum Fern



Looks like just another plant to me?

Thanks for giving me a description of a woman. Hey, lets just agree to disagree your not changing my mind and I'm not changing yours. We have differences in opinions at the end of the day I can care less about what someone is or want to call themselves I got bills to pay. Good discussion though people.

[quickdodge®]

Good discussion though people.

+94 for you. TB and oneslowex, I'll get you in a bit. Ran out of time. Felt good to have a decent talk with folks of differing opinions and get some feedback. Later, QD.

[oneSLOWex]

+94 for you. TB and oneslowex, I'll get you in a bit. Ran out of time. Felt good to have a decent talk with folks of differing opinions and get some feedback. Later, QD.

Interesting discussion for sure. I respect the views of others whether it seems that way or not.

[ilovemyhonda.]

Interesting discussion for sure. I respect the views of others whether it seems that way or not.

Same should go for everyone. Not everyone has the same outlook on a certain topic and most people stand strong by what they believe in. Doesn't mean you have to change the way others think or that they have to change the way you think. Makes for good conversation/debate but shouldn't be taken seriously to start a fight.

[quickdodge®]

Doesn't mean you have to change the way others think or that they have to change the way you think.

That's what I said earlier. Not trying to change you, but just trying to toss up some thoughts. Later, QD.

[MistaCee]

Same should go for everyone. Not everyone has the same outlook on a certain topic and most people stand strong by what they believe in. Doesn't mean you have to change the way others think or that they have to change the way you think. Makes for good conversation/debate but shouldn't be taken seriously to start a fight.

From what I've seen everyone has been civil. Except one but does he count