"We do not hire faggots"

[oneSLOWex]

So you are saying that you would satart calling yourself a woman if you found out that you had 2 X chromosomes then. So you wouldn't be living in denial, right?

If chromosomes are so important at determining who we are then why does the organism with the most chromosomes on Earth (1,000 compared to 46 for humans) look like this:

Ophioglossum Fern



Looks like just another plant to me?

It doesn't have male or female organs which determine its gender. So its totally different than a human being. Whats the point with the plant?

[Total_Blender]

It doesn't have male or female organs which determine its gender. So its totally different than a human being. Whats the point with the plant?

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.

So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

[MistaCee]

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.

So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

That doesnt make them change what they are just because one sounds,acts, and looks like something doesnt mean they are what they're cut out to be.

[Total_Blender]

That doesnt make them change what they are just because one sounds,acts, and looks like something doesnt mean they are what they're cut out to be.

According to you and your definitions. But you don't have the moral authority to define other peoples lives for them.

You may say I don't matter... I say you don't matter, in the end neither of us matter. Enjoy your self-righteous indignation at things you cannot change while you can, life is short.

[MistaCee]

According to you and your definitions. But you don't have the moral authority to define other peoples lives for them.

You may say I don't matter... I say you don't matter, in the end neither of us matter. Enjoy your self-righteous indignation at things you cannot change while you can, life is short.

Lol its funny that your calling me self -righteous when I just disagree with your opinion. Its cool though.

[Total_Blender]

Lol its funny that your calling me self -righteous when I just disagree with your opinion. Its cool though.

You want to decide other people's lives for them based on your own personal prejudices. Is there another word for that?

[MistaCee]

You want to decide other people's lives for them based on your own personal prejudices. Is there another word for that?

What personal prejudice would you say I have sir?

[oneSLOWex]

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.



So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

I was talking about why you would bring a plant into this discussion when it has no place. Thats what I meant.

So if they cannot change their primary characteristics, that still makes them either a man or a woman whether they like it or not. Even if they have a piece of paper saying they are what they are not.