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12-10-2009, 12:21 PM
oneSLOWex

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Originally Posted by oneSLOWex

LMAO its out there somewhere I actually found it not too long ago.

Fixed :ninja:

Oh wait......
12-10-2009, 12:22 PM
Total_Blender

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Originally Posted by oneSLOWex

My beliefs are my beliefs. You can believe that someone can think about being another gender so hard that something happens and changes their body all you want. Thats your opinion.

Their body doesn't change genetically/biologically. What changes is their legal status and the social and cultural recognition of their gender. You accept them as what they say they are regardless of parts they may or may not have.

Here's a question for you, what makes you a man... is it just biology, or is it not also culture? What would you say if you went and had a blood test and they told you have 2 X chromosomes (female) instead of XY (male). Would you still think of yourself as a man, or would you start dressing and acting like a woman?
12-10-2009, 12:26 PM
oneSLOWex

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

Their body doesn't change genetically/biologically. What changes is their legal status and the social and cultural recognition of their gender. You accept them as what they say they are regardless of parts they may or may not have.

Here's a question for you, what makes you a man... is it just biology, or is it not also culture? What would you say if you went and had a blood test and they told you have 2 X chromosomes (female) instead of XY (male). Would you still think of yourself as a man, or would you start dressing and acting like a woman?

That is my whole point in this thread. I dont see how culture has anything to do with my gender.

Im not 100% but it is not possible to have 2 X chromosomes and still have male genitals is it?
12-10-2009, 12:26 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

Their body doesn't change genetically/biologically. What changes is their legal status and the social and cultural recognition of their gender. You accept them as what they say they are regardless of parts they may or may not have.

Here's a question for you, what makes you a man... is it just biology, or is it not also culture? What would you say if you went and had a blood test and they told you have 2 X chromosomes (female) instead of XY (male). Would you still think of yourself as a man, or would you start dressing and acting like a woman?

It doesn't matter how you act you are what you are. When you act thats when you are in denial or pretend.
12-10-2009, 12:27 PM
oneSLOWex

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

It doesn't matter how you act you are what you are. When you act thats when you are in denial or pretend.

Thats what Im saying. Trying to be something else besides what you really are is all in your imagination.
12-10-2009, 12:29 PM
oneSLOWex

Maybe Tom Cruise can help them....

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12-10-2009, 12:32 PM
Sammich

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

So that's the basis of your intolerance to people of this persuasion? You're not shallow much, are you? It must suck to have to live a life where people who have not had any affect on your life, yet keeps you that insecure. Glad I only have to worry about robbers and murders and other criminals. I would hate to have to add transgendered and homosexual people to that list. God help me if I accidentally breathe the same air as one of "them" and get infected.

what's shallow about being wrong?
12-10-2009, 12:38 PM
Total_Blender

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

It doesn't matter how you act you are what you are. When you act thats when you are in denial or pretend.

So you are saying that you would start calling yourself a woman if you found out that you had 2 X chromosomes, ovaries and a uterus then. So you wouldn't be living in denial, right?

If chromosomes are so important at determining who we are then why does the organism with the most chromosomes on Earth (1,000 compared to 46 for humans) look like this:

Ophioglossum Fern

http://biology.missouristate.edu/Her...ii%20-%202.jpg

Looks like just another plant to me?
12-10-2009, 12:39 PM
quickdodge®

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Originally Posted by Sammich

what's shallow about being wrong?

You tell me. Again, you're dodging the question. You keep telling me how you feel, not why. It's wrong isn't an answer. Later, QD.
12-10-2009, 12:40 PM
oneSLOWex

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

So you are saying that you would satart calling yourself a woman if you found out that you had 2 X chromosomes then. So you wouldn't be living in denial, right?

If chromosomes are so important at determining who we are then why does the organism with the most chromosomes on Earth (1,000 compared to 46 for humans) look like this:

Ophioglossum Fern

http://biology.missouristate.edu/Her...ii%20-%202.jpg

Looks like just another plant to me?

It doesn't have male or female organs which determine its gender. So its totally different than a human being. Whats the point with the plant?
12-10-2009, 12:44 PM
Sammich

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

You tell me. Again, you're dodging the question. You keep telling me how you feel, not why. It's wrong isn't an answer. Later, QD.

either you're blind or my 'answer' wasnt up to par to what should be an explanation to you, my answer is based on it being wrong, period. just like you have feelings of why a song is shit, your 'answer' doesnt make full sense to others, but its your answer, therefore, its valid to you
12-10-2009, 12:46 PM
ilovemyhonda.

opinions are opinions, one person may think it is wrong, another may think it is okay/right. the only thing that matters is that the person involved feels comfortable with what he or she is doing.
12-10-2009, 12:49 PM
quickdodge®

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Originally Posted by Sammich

either you're blind or my 'answer' wasnt up to par to what should be an explanation to you, my answer is based on it being wrong, period. just like you have feelings of why a song is shit, your 'answer' doesnt make full sense to others, but its your answer, therefore, its valid to you

Nah see here's where you're wrong. Factually wrong. I always give reasons as to why I THINK a song is shit. I don't just say it's shit. and that makes it so. You're not giving any reasons as to why you THINK it's wrong. You're not backing up why you THINK it's wrong or why you don't like them. You're whole answer centers around, simply put, but hardly logical, "it's wrong."

And even an answer to explain your "it's wrong" hypothesis won't answer my question. Even if it were wrong, who cares? Why do you care? Again, what happened to you by one of these people that makes you think they should exist? I'm certainly not of that persuasion nor would I ever think to consider any form of homosexuality or trans-sexuality, but I don't find it not tolerable. I don't let it bother me simply because they don't pay my bills or or have any influence over me. Later, QD.
12-10-2009, 12:50 PM
Sammich

ok
12-10-2009, 12:54 PM
quickdodge®

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

Hahah!!! I can say though, I'm glad this discussion has stayed civil and lacked name calling and insults. I like to see this kind of talk without thinking that someone is getting all pissed off and shit.

Good job, fellas. Later, QD.

At least most of us, anyway! Kudos to the ones I'm talking about! Later, QD.
12-10-2009, 12:58 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

So you are saying that you would start calling yourself a woman if you found out that you had 2 X chromosomes, ovaries and a uterus then. So you wouldn't be living in denial, right?

If chromosomes are so important at determining who we are then why does the organism with the most chromosomes on Earth (1,000 compared to 46 for humans) look like this:

Ophioglossum Fern

http://biology.missouristate.edu/Her...ii%20-%202.jpg

Looks like just another plant to me?

Thanks for giving me a description of a woman. Hey, lets just agree to disagree your not changing my mind and I'm not changing yours. We have differences in opinions at the end of the day I can care less about what someone is or want to call themselves I got bills to pay. Good discussion though people.
12-10-2009, 12:59 PM
Total_Blender

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Originally Posted by oneSLOWex

It doesn't have male or female organs which determine its gender. So its totally different than a human being. Whats the point with the plant?

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.

So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.
12-10-2009, 01:00 PM
oneSLOWex

So, How many of you lurking people are scared to say something? I know you all have to have an opinion...I have seen half of you viewing the thread all day long.

LOL cmon now
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12-10-2009, 01:03 PM
quickdodge®

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

Good discussion though people.

+94 for you. TB and oneslowex, I'll get you in a bit. Ran out of time. Felt good to have a decent talk with folks of differing opinions and get some feedback. Later, QD.
12-10-2009, 01:04 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.

So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

That doesnt make them change what they are just because one sounds,acts, and looks like something doesnt mean they are what they're cut out to be.
12-10-2009, 01:04 PM
thecrazyone

"I seen the anger, you know, like you can tell when someone gets upset"

"You shouldn't judge someone based on who they are."

Bellamy said.

i loled.

i seent it, i seent it!

if you dont judge someone on who they are then i guess you we should judge them on what they are, and in that case....a faggot.
12-10-2009, 01:06 PM
oneSLOWex

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

That genetics aren't as big a deal with identity politics as they are cracked up to be.

You just said it yourself, you don't need male or female sex organs to determine gender. Gender is just the way that we culturally express the characteristics associated with primary and secondary biological sex. Primary sex refers to reproductive organs, secondary sex refers to the traits that are used to distinguish the biological sexes that are not directly related to reproductive organs.

While primary sex characteristics are biological and can't be changed completely, secondary sex characteristics are entirely changeable, and are not absolutely connected to primary sex traits... there are hairy, deep voiced women, etc.

So really while these people cannot change their primary sex characteristics, they can change their secondary sex characteristics and the social/cultural associations that come with them.

I was talking about why you would bring a plant into this discussion when it has no place. Thats what I meant.

So if they cannot change their primary characteristics, that still makes them either a man or a woman whether they like it or not. Even if they have a piece of paper saying they are what they are not.
12-10-2009, 01:10 PM
oneSLOWex

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

+94 for you. TB and oneslowex, I'll get you in a bit. Ran out of time. Felt good to have a decent talk with folks of differing opinions and get some feedback. Later, QD.

Interesting discussion for sure. I respect the views of others whether it seems that way or not. :goodjob:
12-10-2009, 01:18 PM
ilovemyhonda.

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Originally Posted by oneSLOWex

Interesting discussion for sure. I respect the views of others whether it seems that way or not. :goodjob:

Same should go for everyone. Not everyone has the same outlook on a certain topic and most people stand strong by what they believe in. Doesn't mean you have to change the way others think or that they have to change the way you think. Makes for good conversation/debate but shouldn't be taken seriously to start a fight.
12-10-2009, 01:20 PM
quickdodge®

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Originally Posted by ilovemyhonda.

Doesn't mean you have to change the way others think or that they have to change the way you think.

That's what I said earlier. Not trying to change you, but just trying to toss up some thoughts. Later, QD.
12-10-2009, 01:21 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by ilovemyhonda.

Same should go for everyone. Not everyone has the same outlook on a certain topic and most people stand strong by what they believe in. Doesn't mean you have to change the way others think or that they have to change the way you think. Makes for good conversation/debate but shouldn't be taken seriously to start a fight.

From what I've seen everyone has been civil. Except one but does he count:D
12-10-2009, 01:22 PM
ilovemyhonda.

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

That's what I said earlier. Not trying to change you, but just trying to toss up some thoughts. Later, QD.

Exactly. If everyone had the same view about every topic, conversation would be greatly boring.
12-10-2009, 01:22 PM
ilovemyhonda.

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

From what I've seen everyone has been civil. Except one but does he count:D

I was just throwing my :2cents: in. lol
12-10-2009, 01:23 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by ilovemyhonda.

I was just throwing my :2cents: in. lol

Oh ok icey.
12-10-2009, 01:23 PM
Total_Blender

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Originally Posted by thecrazyone

if you dont judge someone on who they are then i guess you we should judge them on what they are, and in that case....a faggot.

I think she was saying that we shouldn't judge someone negatively based on their lifestyle choices we may not personally agree with.

Like if I called ya a tight pants wearing twilight kid because you drive a silver VW. :ninja:
12-10-2009, 01:25 PM
ilovemyhonda.

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

Oh ok icey.

you bringing me an icey? thanks, i could use it. i woke up with strep throat. :cry:
12-10-2009, 01:27 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by ilovemyhonda.

you bringing me an icey? thanks, i could use it. i woke up with strep throat. :cry:

Yea I'll bring you a icey hot from the microwave. I don't talk to strangers remember? Especially ones that say I'm mean.
12-10-2009, 01:28 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

I think she was saying that we shouldn't judge someone negatively based on their lifestyle choices we may not personally agree with.

Like if I called ya a tight pants wearing twilight kid because you drive a silver VW. :ninja:

I drive a yellow VW :lmfao:
12-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Total_Blender

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

That doesnt make them change what they are just because one sounds,acts, and looks like something doesnt mean they are what they're cut out to be.

According to you and your definitions. But you don't have the moral authority to define other peoples lives for them.

You may say I don't matter... I say you don't matter, in the end neither of us matter. Enjoy your self-righteous indignation at things you cannot change while you can, life is short. :ninja:
12-10-2009, 01:31 PM
Total_Blender

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

I drive a yellow VW :lmfao:

Then you know all about gender associations. :lmfao:

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12-10-2009, 01:32 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

According to you and your definitions. But you don't have the moral authority to define other peoples lives for them.

You may say I don't matter... I say you don't matter, in the end neither of us matter. Enjoy your self-righteous indignation at things you cannot change while you can, life is short. :ninja:

Lol its funny that your calling me self -righteous when I just disagree with your opinion. Its cool though.
12-10-2009, 01:33 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

Then you know all about gender associations. :lmfao:

http://assets.clickmotive.com/ail/co...0_001_T1T1.jpg

Lol its not a bug its a gti thanks. :lmfao::2up:
12-10-2009, 01:34 PM
ilovemyhonda.

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

Yea I'll bring you a icey hot from the microwave. I don't talk to strangers remember? Especially ones that say I'm mean.

Hot or cold just bring it mean stranger!
12-10-2009, 01:37 PM
Total_Blender

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Originally Posted by MistaCee

Lol its funny that your calling me self -righteous when I just disagree with your opinion. Its cool though.

You want to decide other people's lives for them based on your own personal prejudices. Is there another word for that?
12-10-2009, 01:38 PM
MistaCee

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Originally Posted by Total_Blender

You want to decide other people's lives for them based on your own personal prejudices. Is there another word for that?

What personal prejudice would you say I have sir?

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