3sgte to ae86

[AE86 Dorifto]

I've been looking for an ae86 hatchback and still looking so hit me up.
Thats not the point though, what I need is advise.
I've been doing extensive research on engine swaps for the 86 and I've been thinking a few things:
1. 3sgte
2. 4agze (take off the supercharger and put a turbo on)
3. 4age (get the toda 200 hp kit includes ecu program pistons cam pulleys valve springs and camshafts] then turbo charge it)
I'm leaning towards the 3sgte and I've tried doing research but I can never find a good site that tells me all the parts needed for the swap. So if you could please tell me what engine I should go with. If you say go with the 3sgte please give me a list of all the parts i need for the swap and what needs to be custom.

Thanks

[ECMgarrett]

man your toda idea is horrible.
chances are its going to be a high CR motor, yea, toss a turbo on to that and youre a fucking idiot.
actaully i think youre an idiot already so whats it matter

ps - 3sgte would be cool though

[3kgtdrvr]

talk to D.Choe on here, hes got an hatchi roku and hes doin all sorts of stuff to it and i know he knows a lot about them and/or knows someone that can help u

[yudalicious]

actaully i think youre an idiot already so whats it matter

+1

my suggestions:
1. stop watching initial D
2. stop watching initial D
3. realize an ae86 doesn't magically make you drift
4. realize an engine swaps don't magically make you drift
5. realize you have no idea wtf you're talking about and if you ever do get an ae86 you're going to "drift" it off a cliff or into a curb very soon

[AE86 Dorifto]

man your toda idea is horrible.
chances are its going to be a high CR motor, yea, toss a turbo on to that and youre a fucking idiot.
actaully i think youre an idiot already so whats it matter

ps - 3sgte would be cool though

Think before you speak, man. I do like 2 hours of research a day on stuff like that, and it has been done successfully. The car I speak of is a drag car and does 9 second quarter miles. And even if you knew for a fact that I was just straight up wrong, you still shouldn't speak to me like that. Just correct me and get over it.

[2.0civic]

are you looking for street car or just a track car, cause im with ECMgarrett on it. putting a turbo on a higher CR engine is just asking for trouble. and theres probably ALOT more done to that drag car than just a toda kit and a turbo

[yudalicious]

are you looking for street car or just a track car,

he's looking for a trendy car because it's the only way for him to boost his otherwise low self esteem.

[AE86 Dorifto]

he's looking for a trendy car because it's the only way for him to boost his otherwise low self esteem.

First of all, I just want an 86 because it weighs 2,116 lbs. it's rear wheel drive, I like the body style, I've grown up around Toyotas, and because that's the car that started drifting.
Second of all, I've almost gotten as much pussy as you have gotten fucked up the ass in a by some random dude you picked up off the street.
And finally, when I get my car, we should race.

[AE86 Dorifto]

are you looking for street car or just a track car, cause im with ECMgarrett on it. putting a turbo on a higher CR engine is just asking for trouble. and theres probably ALOT more done to that drag car than just a toda kit and a turbo

There are ways that I know of to get around
emissions. I am aware of the high compression stuff and I know ways to lower it. My dad told me just to get a new head gasket and stuff like that. Don't say that's bullshit. He's a certified mechanic for Toyota.
Thanks for not saying anything rude. +1 for that

[BABY J]

Think before you speak, man. I do like 2 hours of research a day on stuff like that, and it has been done successfully. The car I speak of is a drag car and does 9 second quarter miles. And even if you knew for a fact that I was just straight up wrong, you still shouldn't speak to me like that. Just correct me and get over it.

+ 1

[yudalicious]

There are ways that I know of to get around
emissions. I am aware of the high compression stuff and I know ways to lower it. My dad told me just to get a new head gasket and stuff like that. Don't say that's bullshit. He's a certified mechanic for Toyota.
Thanks for not saying anything rude. +1 for that

wow, First of all why would you place high compression pistons in an engine, put NA cams with probably very large overlap, get an ECU tuned for NA, and THEN get a thicker headgasket so you can turbo? That makes about 0 sense to anyone with logical ability. Why not just spend all that money towards lower compression pistons, management actually FOR turbo??

Second, it's obvious you know next to 0 about cars so don't be mad when people call out your ignorance.

Third, yes let's race, we can also tape our hands to the steering wheel and drive with our lights off in the mountains!

PS I predict win for me when I use my mad tight JDM gutter technique to beat you.

[2.0civic]

There are ways that I know of to get around
emissions. I am aware of the high compression stuff and I know ways to lower it. My dad told me just to get a new head gasket and stuff like that. Don't say that's bullshit. He's a certified mechanic for Toyota.
Thanks for not saying anything rude. +1 for that

never said it was bullshit. i can get around emissions too..... i "live" in Barrow county...im glad you are getting your facts together before you peice together a motor. lower CR would be nice but raising the CR of the AE86 then turbo would be like turboing(sp?) a type R. Just wouldnt make sense. i agree with what yudalicious said though

[AE86 Dorifto]

wow, First of all why would you place high compression pistons in an engine, put NA cams with probably very large overlap, get an ECU tuned for NA, and THEN get a thicker headgasket so you can turbo? That makes about 0 sense to anyone with logical ability. Why not just spend all that money towards lower compression pistons, management actually FOR turbo??

Second, it's obvious you know next to 0 about cars so don't be mad when people call out your ignorance.

Third, yes let's race, we can also tape our hands to the steering wheel and drive with our lights off in the mountains!

PS I predict win for me when I use my mad tight JDM gutter technique to beat you.

And how long have you been working on cars?
How many engine swaps have you done?
How many custom roll-cages have you made?
How many engine rebuilds?
How many turbo exhaust manifolds have you made?
I've been working on cars with my dad since I was 4 years old no joke.
The reasoning for getting toda rather than something else is because I've also added up the cost of everything and it would not cost as much and it would be just as good because those are really fucking strong pistons. I've looked at HKS pistons and other stuff and it would be way more expensive.
So uhhhhhh........ Go fuck yourself. Don't say shit about a car you don't know.

P.S. Do you ever go to The Varsity? I'd like to explain this to you in person.

[2.0civic]

And how long have you been working on cars?
How many engine swaps have you done?
How many custom roll-cages have you made?
How many engine rebuilds?
How many turbo exhaust manifolds have you made?
I've been working on cars with my dad since I was 4 years old no joke.
The reasoning for getting toda rather than something else is because I've also added up the cost of everything and it would not cost as much and it would be just as good because those are really fucking strong pistons. I've looked at HKS pistons and other stuff and it would be way more expensive.
So uhhhhhh........ Go fuck yourself. Don't say shit about a car you don't know.

P.S. Do you ever go to The Varsity? I'd like to explain this to you in person.

whoa whoa whoa man!! nobodys trying to be a cock so dont get your panties in a wad. Working on cars since 4?? dont we have child labor laws against that?? lol, JK but handing your dad a screw doesnt count.

[AE86 Dorifto]

whoa whoa whoa man!! nobodys trying to be a cock so dont get your panties in a wad. Working on cars since 4?? dont we have child labor laws against that?? lol, JK but handing your dad a screw doesnt count.

I don't have a problem with you. It's dick-head over there. People don't need to call people idiots and assume that I'm a retard because I said something that doesn't seem logical. All they need to do is ask "Why would you bosst high compression?" Then, I would give the answer and tell them all the details And they could say "Oh, I guess I see your point there." Then it would be all good and no one would get mad.

[2.0civic]

LIRL, aight.

[yudalicious]

I don't have a problem with you. It's dick-head over there. People don't need to call people idiots and assume that I'm a retard because I said something that doesn't seem logical. All they need to do is ask "Why would you bosst high compression?" Then, I would give the answer and tell them all the details And they could say "Oh, I guess I see your point there." Then it would be all good and no one would get mad.

So what is your answer? why would you boost w/ the Toda kit? All you've really said are childish remarks about me and how long you've been working on a car, which does not answer the question. I'm being an ass because you sound like the typical ricer who has read one too many import trash mags and seen one too many episodes of initial D.

It's possible to boost w/ high compression, but there's a reason why it's preferably not to. In addition, how bout the cams? I'm assuming they're high overlap NA cams? What about the ECU? Timing too much advanced? And I'll assume the it'll run way too lean for a turbo?

Finally, let's compare my arguments vs. yours. I've laid my arguments out logically and plainly, while your arguments have consisted of "fuck you" "let's race!" "I know more than you do!" So far you have just looked like another ricer who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and is quick to rely on high school insults.

yudalicious, who is still awaiting your answer

[2.0civic]

damn man. busted out the highschool remark......i smell something burning....

[AE86 Dorifto]

So what is your answer? why would you boost w/ the Toda kit? All you've really said are childish remarks about me and how long you've been working on a car, which does not answer the question. I'm being an ass because you sound like the typical ricer who has read one too many import trash mags and seen one too many episodes of initial D.

It's possible to boost w/ high compression, but there's a reason why it's preferably not to. In addition, how bout the cams? I'm assuming they're high overlap NA cams? What about the ECU? Timing too much advanced? And I'll assume the it'll run way too lean for a turbo?

Finally, let's compare my arguments vs. yours. I've laid my arguments out logically and plainly, while your arguments have consisted of "fuck you" "let's race!" "I know more than you do!" So far you have just looked like another ricer who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and is quick to rely on high school insults.

yudalicious, who is still awaiting your answer

Ok, listen. You are the one who said I'm an idiot, said I know nothing about cars, and said I'm a ricer with a low self-esteem. Quote me an insult I said to you. Anyways, I'll explain this to you. The cams aren't that much different from other things. The ECU I can get from a 4agze and hack it. And the air/fuel mixture can be controlled by an AFC. Now you stop calling me a "idiot" and a "ricer" and I'll stop asking if you want to race.

[yudalicious]

Ok, listen. You are the one who said I'm an idiot, said I know nothing about cars, and said I'm a ricer with a low self-esteem. Quote me an insult I said to you.

See page 1. You're right, I did insult you, except mine were much more clever and yours were just so so.

Anyways, I'll explain this to you. The cams aren't that much different from other things.

Most NA cams are different from turbo cams in duration and lift and I don't particularly care about doing research on exact specs, but assuming the cams worked OK for turbo, wouldn't you be better off buying cams designed for forced injection that will probably in all likelihood work better?

The ECU I can get from a 4agze and hack it. And the air/fuel mixture can be controlled by an AFC.

And it makes no sense to me to buy an ECU probably tuned exceptionally well for an NA set up and then use an AFC (a more band aid set up) to make it work with turbo? Spending extra $ and effort?

In summary, you want to
1. Buy high comp. pistons and then buy a thicker headgasket to lower compression
2. Buy NA cams that "aren't much different from other things" (what exactly does that mean...? beats me)
3. Buy an NA ECU most likely with advanced timing and a relatively lean map and then use an AFC (a rather crude method compared to tuning ECUs) to richen it up for turbo

When you're driving, do you make three lefts to go right?

[AE86 Dorifto]

See page 1. You're right, I did insult you, except mine were much more clever and yours were just so so.


Most NA cams are different from turbo cams in duration and lift and I don't particularly care about doing research on exact specs, but assuming the cams worked OK for turbo, wouldn't you be better off buying cams designed for forced injection that will probably in all likelihood work better?


And it makes no sense to me to buy an ECU probably tuned exceptionally well for an NA set up and then use an AFC (a more band aid set up) to make it work with turbo? Spending extra $ and effort?

Awesome the insults are over. I would sell the ECU for higher than I would get an ECU from a 4agze. I would also sell the cams for higher than the cams that I would buy. That would make it cheaper than buying stuff from HKS. Do you o to the car meets at the varsity? If you have any more questions, it would be easier to explain it in person. We cool now?

[yudalicious]

Awesome the insults are over. I would sell the ECU for higher than I would get an ECU from a 4agze. I would also sell the cams for higher than the cams that I would buy. That would make it cheaper than buying stuff from HKS. Do you o to the car meets at the varsity? If you have any more questions, it would be easier to explain it in person. We cool now?

so the pivotal part of your genius plan rests on some idiot paying you more $ for an ECU and cams than what they would pay buying from Toda... regardless, this is getting no where, it's your money and car, good day sir lol.

[AE86 Dorifto]

so the pivotal part of your genius plan rests on some idiot paying you more $ for an ECU and cams than what they would pay buying from Toda... regardless, this is getting no where, it's your money and car, good day sir lol.

No, because Toda getting everything in a package saves money rather than buying everything seperatly. So they would pay the same or a little less.

Edit: Also as I stated in my first post, I'm most likely getting a 3sgte.

[ECMgarrett]

i rule and this little kid sucks, rock on!

[AE86 Dorifto]

i rule and this little kid sucks, rock on!

Can we say SPAM?

[ECMgarrett]

yes, obviously you can. but it makes no sense, much like your high comp ratio motor idea then turboing. haha its comical, youd spend tons of money on a high CR toda motor/motorkit and then start replacing shit so you can turbo it...... youre a damn idiot.
i love what the guysaid about 3 lefts to make one right lol, thats what youre going for.

[Vteckidd]

LOCKED cause this thread is not going anywhere. Flaming is not allowed. however, to the guy that started this:

you need to be on Club4Ag or something asking these questions. I persoanlly agree, why buy a high comp motor to just turbo it. Realize what you want to do FIRST, make a plan, call around an find out costs, then build a budget an a plan.

If your dead set on turbo, then i would get the 4aGZE supercharged engine. that shuold be better suited for turbo since it has a supercharger on it. I dont know alot about AE86s, so i wuold do ALOT of research an take what you learn with a grain of salt. im sure there are TONS of shops in the nation that mess with them, so give them a call for advice.

good luck

[Vteckidd]

ALso, i dont see how buying ANYTHING TODA would be cheaper than buying stuff from another vendor , TODA AINT CHEAP

[Vteckidd]

The TODA Racing AE86 4AG competition engine kit includes a TODA Racing ECU program (reprogram of your stock ECU), high compression forged piston kit, campulleys, valve springs and camshafts. The pistons are available in 3 sizes; 81.00mm/81.25mm/82.00mm. Camshaft are one 272 (7.9mm) camshaft and one 264 (7.9mm) camshaft. An optional remote ignition controller is available for an additional $150.

Kit List Price: $3,310

Thats not bad for a TODA kit however, no rods are listed with that kit. I would shop around some places offer BUILT LONGBLOCKS for

http://www.toysport.com/webpages/Web...ARCH202002.htm

3SGTE 3RD GEN Caldina ST215 260 HP BRAND NEW $4,500.00
3SGTE 3RD GEN FORGED TURBO PISTONS 8.5:1 OUTRIGHT $4,500.00
3SGTE 2ND GEN FORGED TURBO PISTONS 8.5:1 TRD GROUP A $4,500.00
3SGTE 2ND GEN FORGED TURBO PISTONS 8.5:1 $3,000.00
3SGE 4TH GEN VVTi BEAMS, Full Harness ECU BRAND NEW $5,500.00
3SGE 3RD GEN FORGED TURBO PISTONS 10.5:1 $3,000.00
3SGE 2ND GEN FORGED TURBO PISTONS 10.5:1 $2,500.00
4AGE 20 VALVE 12.5 COMP. / PREPARED HEAD / CRANK / CAMS OUTRIGHT $5,500.00
4AGE 20 VALVE FORGED TURBO PISTONS 8.5:1 OUTRIGHT $2,500.00
4AGZE LATE FORGED TURBO PISTON 8.3:1 $2,500.00
4AGE LATE HI COMP FORGED PISTONS 12:1 $2,000.00