e36 > e46 chassis
BMW 335i
Lexus IS350
e36 > e46 chassis
Wow, this actually turned out to be a good thread. Reps to both parties.
EDIT: Jamie, I'll have to hit you up later. I gotta spread it around some.
Originally Posted by jfman
True story..The current issue of Eurotuner has a NA 550 HP V10 BMW 325i.
So much for the theory that BMW can't do magic with NA, right?
Overpriced Toyota FTL.
Yes let's go back even farther into the 1970's when BMW came out with a fantastic little car called the 2002. I'm just saying that BMW did it's factory turbo fun before Toyota did, to my knowledge. Not counting racing engines or any twin turbo setups, just a single turbo, but wtf do I know I'm a noob. Anyways BMW ftw.
Uhm.. it's a V10 !! it's EXPECTED to have 550HP... nothing magic about that....True story..The current issue of Eurotuner has a NA 550 HP V10 BMW 325i.
So much for the theory that BMW can't do magic with NA, right?
Overpriced Toyota FTL.
Next.
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Can anyone say 760Li " Built Muthafuckin' Wright"
True, bmw did factory turbo earlier, but they were also the first to shun them and go back to NA. Supposedly turbos were not condusive to the "driving experience". Toyota seemed to favor turbo charging more. I find it funny now that the shoe is on the other foot, toyota lovers are bitching. The IS350 was just redesigned a few years back and the 3 series is now just being redesigned. WHile they fit in the same class, they achieve power in two different ways. Its apparent BMW did their homework here and made an excellent car that makes power well. Just give it to em. THe IS350 is also great though, just in a different way.
Last edited by superboost; 08-30-2007 at 07:50 PM.
My car is factory....
Every single performance part and or modification it has was made in a factory somewhere.
Hey dumbass, BMW was already planning to put a V8 in the M3 and were not going to put the same in the 335.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
i'll still get the LEXUS even though it's slower.. the BMW cost $3k+ more than the LEXUS so i'll invest that in a turbo for the lexus and spank that BMW's azz even harder =P
LOL..spoken like a true Lexus owner....
If you're content with your overpriced,underpowered Toyota, more power to ya.
At the end of the day a Lexus is a Toyota and a BMW is a BMW.....
and Bmw's aren't overpricedOriginally posted by StuntallDay
If you're content with your overpriced,underpowered Toyota, more power to ya.
At the end of the day a Lexus is a Toyota and a BMW is a BMW.....? To each their own I guess. Lexus has constantly been kicking ass regarding value in the luxury car department ever since toyota introduced the division.
Don't bring up that. It would be just like, domestic vs. import dollar per hp ratio argument. Yea, but put $3k in the Bmw and see what happens.originally posted by 1989_crx_si
I'll still get the LEXUS even though it's slower.. the BMW cost $3k+ more than the LEXUS so i'll invest that in a turbo for the lexus and spank that BMW's azz even harder =P
Bottom line is
335i= Great car for those don't mind spending money and would go balls out on a performance car
IS350= for the conservative type, appreciates performance at a "close" level but would rather spend that extra money elsewhere
Either way, both are awesome cars.
One of the best posts in the entire thread right there. Way to go.and Bmw's aren't overpriced
Don't bring up that. It would be just like, domestic vs. import dollar per hp ratio argument. Yea, but put $3k in the Bmw and see what happens.
Bottom line is
335i= Great car for those don't mind spending money and would go balls out on a performance car
IS350= for the conservative type, appreciates performance at a "close" level but would rather spend that extra money elsewhere
Either way, both are awesome cars.
335i FTMFW
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I stand by my comment that you are a moron. You said yourself that they would have had to redesing the chassis for a bigger motor when we all know the v8 fits in there. Nice back tracking.Hey dumbass, BMW was already planning to put a V8 in the M3 and were not going to put the same in the 335.
Bottom line is BMW currently makes a non-M car that even the top of the pack Toyota cars cant compete with.
Hey Retard! Do you fucking understand the difference between and I6 and a V8? Holy Fucking Shit! A larger I6 will not fit! A V8 is actually shorter in length than an I6!
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
werd!!
“Alfalfa peak”—an odd ridge on a car that is otherwise a lava-lamp jubilee of rounded Oprah-ness.
-car and driver, 370z review
OH wow.... gee you got me there.. i guess...LOL..spoken like a true Lexus owner....
If you're content with your overpriced,underpowered Toyota, more power to ya.
At the end of the day a Lexus is a Toyota and a BMW is a BMW.....
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
OH wow.... gee you got me there.. i guess...
Truth hurts, huh?
Hmmm, so it took twin turbos to reach the performance level of an NA and that is some kind of "accomplishment"???? What's going to happen when Lexus comes out with their own "turbo" version of the IS?????
That's exactly what I was thinking
BMW'll change to twin t88's lol
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It looks like atleast one person got it.That's exactly what I was thinking
BMW'll change to twin t88's lol
Too bad it falls on deaf ears when it comes to BMW diehards.
Absolutely correct and GREAT POINT. BMW made many mentions of "never going to FI" and "its not pure" thus they went with a V-10 in the new M5 for instance.
Thing is AMG and Benz were (And still are) kicking their ass with power with superchargers and turbos. the funny thing is they now have a new 6.3 N/A engine.
The 2002 is legendary but that car has nothing to do with the cars being discussed now. My point was
Toyota/Lexus 3.0 TT makes 320hp
BMW 3.0 TT (using Mitshbishi turbos) makes 300hp
We have seen the modability of the 2JZ, easy 600hp street cars, 1,100 dyno monsters.
I am not taking anything away from BMW engines, they traditionally have made fantastic engines.
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Just because something FITS does not mean it was meant to go there. I am sure the balance is pretty off and a lot of chassis strengthening had to be done to fit those bigger engines.
The 3 comes with a I-4 or even diesels in Europe. You simply don't stuff a V-8 or V-10 in there unless you want to twist the entire chassis. You have to mod the entire car to do it RIGHT.
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BMW could fit a 330 hp I6 in the e46 chassis but no way they could have done it to the E92? You are a moron. Do you think they put that motor in there because they had to? What a douch bag.
BMW knows how to make some kick ass NA engines. 5 years ago they had an NA I6 with 330hp and now they have a relatively small V8 that makes 440hp. Now they make one FI engine they put in a non-M car that makes 300hp and all the rice lovers flame on BMW. Fuck 'em, BMW did it because they are in the business of making cars that are a complete blast to drive. Toyota is in the business of making grocery getters and a few luxury cars. They havent made a true sports car in a while. BMW has never quit making cars that have cult followings, cars that people dream about, cars that are desired and hated on for the same reasons. Look at the BMW fleet and look at Toyota's fleet, then you can see what both companies are about.
Gatorfag was implying that they went FI because they did not know how to install a bigger NA I6 without "redesinging the chassis" What a moron.
Just another tidbit on why BMW put twin turbos in the 335. They found themselves beat out by Lexus in power and speed and needed to add more power. The existing chassis could not accomadate a larger displacement motor in inline form. Their only choice to make a quick imporvement was to add the turbos. It was either that or redesign the chassis.
Last edited by jfman; 08-31-2007 at 09:46 PM.
with 420 to the crank
Last edited by CleanCL; 08-31-2007 at 10:08 PM.
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wow I couldnt have said any of that better, he's 100% correct on all of that. +1
Any one of BMWs line up could be classified as a sports car/sport luxury
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what?? um... NO benz isnt kicking anything but their own ass... the 4 door m5 fucks the amg cl63 in the ass, you dont even need to look at the m6 which rips the SLR a new asshole. benz cant top anything bmw has done.
"were and still are" =
benz = luxury
bmw = sport you just cant compare the two
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bmw is one of the most balanced companies that produces vehicles...they dont put something on the road unless the weight ratio is off less than 47/53 - 50/50. Weight ratio is almost perfect.
As for the new M3 (as well as the M6), the reason for the carbon fiber ROOF is to lower the center of gravity even MORE, making it more balance, thus making it handle even better.
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Bmw X3, X5Originally posted by CleanCL
Any one of BMWs line up could be classified as a sports car/sport luxury
Last edited by BlkCD5; 09-01-2007 at 12:25 AM.
i hope that was a jokewhat?? um... NO benz isnt kicking anything but their own ass... the 4 door m5 fucks the amg cl63 in the ass, you dont even need to look at the m6 which rips the SLR a new asshole. benz cant top anything bmw has done.
"were and still are" =
benz = luxury
bmw = sport you just cant compare the two
also SLK will kill the Z4........and SL65 AMG are bad mo fo
BMW M6
0-60 in 4.6 sec
top speed governered to 155mph
SLR Mclaren
0-60 in 3.5 sec
top speed of 210mph
so how in the world does a M6 whoop a SLR?
Kiddo, you sound silly. The M5 might outhandle a AMG car but we are talking about power. The M5 makes 500hp peak but only 380 lbs of torque. The E55 made 450hp or so and over 500lbs of torque. The E63 makes about the same hp but more torque than a M5.what?? um... NO benz isnt kicking anything but their own ass... the 4 door m5 fucks the amg cl63 in the ass, you dont even need to look at the m6 which rips the SLR a new asshole. benz cant top anything bmw has done.
"were and still are" =
benz = luxury
bmw = sport you just cant compare the two
Don't get me started on AMG S65 or SL 65 etc cars. We are talking TWIN TURBO V-12s with over 700lbs of torque.
The M6 cannot hold a candle to the SLR. I almost cannot take you serious.
The SLR produces 617hp and 575 lbs or torque. It is a SUPER car. The M6 is not. End of discussion.
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I agree with you, thus BMW does NOT make a V-10 3 series. The aftermarket shoehorned that engine in there.
The new M3 V-8 is more compact and lighter than the old M5 V-8 and M3 I-6. Its quite a marvel. I am in no way putting BMWs down, they are fabulous cars.
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Americans are fooled by BMW here. In Europe you can get super slow I-4 3 series cars AND 5 series cars. There is a 520 in Europe that makes 159 hp, lol.Bmw X3, X5
You can get a 6 cylinder 6 and 7 series as well. BMW to protect their "image" does not sell those cars here.
Now we get the Toyota priced and Corolla competition 1-series, a lil hatchback.
Then check this crap out.
http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/b...0-bmw-minicar/There have been numerous reports pertaining to the possibility of BMW building a new model positioned below the 1-series hatch that’ll share its underpinnings with the current Mini. Not only would the car be the first FWD BMW, it would also be cheapest as it’s rumored to cost less than the aforementioned Mini.
Part of the reason for BMW considering such a model is the mounting environmental awareness that’s spreading across Europe. A new, low-emissions minicar would help reduce BMW’s fleet average emissions levels in light of the new CO2 standards being pushed by the EU and it’d also give it a better standing against similar superminis being developed by rival brand Audi and to a less extent VW.
Though we highly doubt BMW designers would style the car after the striking Concept CS as this rendering suggests, any model wearing the Propeller Badge would likely feature the trademark kidney grille. According to earlier reports, development has been carried out on the new model although final production plans are yet to be confirmed.
If given the go-ahead, production would likely be outsourced to Magna Steyr but the engines and drivetrain would be built by BMW at plants in Germany. How the new model will live up to the ‘Ultimate Driving Machine’ ethos, however, is anyone’s guess.
via motorauthorityPrevew: 2009 BMW F5
Posted on Tuesday 28 August 2007
BMW is currently developing two new models based on its 3 and 5-series sedans, which will be taking the luxury brand into new territory. The new models are best described as MPV-wagons, but unlike the current Touring models the new cars will feature a taller ride-height and high roof to maximize interior space. Though the cars’ names are yet to be finalized, earlier reports suggested the new lineup would adopt ‘F’ badging with the two new cars being called the F3 and F5.
The F5 is expected to go head-to-head with Mercedes-Benz’ R-class but given its poor sales we have to question why BMW thinks the luxury-MPV segment is worthy of competing in. The smaller F3, meanwhile, is designed to rival Mercedes’ B-class.
This new rendering is a good indication of the final design of the larger F5 variant. Engine options will remain the same as its donor 5-series sedan but don’t expect anything bigger than a six-cylinder to feature.
The expected launch date for the F5 is in mid-2009, with the smaller F3 set to appear one year later. However, before we see any of the F models, BMW will launch its all new X6 crossover due in the second half of next year.
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lol.....the front looks mean though,then it turns into a yaris
BMW FTW. I can't never afford one.I'm too poor.
see ya 240l0ve
uhhhh.... yeah, bmw cares about the people and make cars cuz they're "fun to drive." good one.
bmw makes cars that people dream about... i guess they do. its like louis vuitton, coach, dg... they're expensive. poor people try to look rich and buy expensive things.. same concept applies here. bmw makes cars people dream about and pull a 2nd mortgage to pay. toyota makes cars that people buy, because they are known reliability/affordability/service.
as far as i can see, bmw is in the business of making people THINK they're driving a nice luxury car by adding $10k to the sticker price. sure they're nice cars, but i'd rather pay $25 for an oil change than $50.
and free maintenance crap is fool's excuse. they overprice parts/labor. THEN, they say, "hey lets give this dumbass free maintenance for 5 years/50000 miles, i bet they'll think they're getting a deal"
cliffnotes: lexus > bmw
+2. BMW has proven itself with powerful n/a motors. They could have easily made it n/a. This argument is retarded. Funny how people who would suck a 2jz's dick, hate the bmw for being a twin turbo.
Last edited by MKIV VR6; 09-01-2007 at 05:27 AM.
Have you ever driven an X5 4.8, E53 or the new body style?Bmw X3, X5
It outruns/out performs/out handles the Porsche Cayenne Turbo
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Sorry man, but its a 518. In Euro they arent as much of a highline car company, completely different market here. However, that doesnt mean that a 535 performs differently here as it does over there.
As for those pictures you posted, they're just concepts and more than likely wont look anything near that...go take a look at the BMW CS concept.
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