German Muscle vs. Japanese Hustle (335i vs IS350)

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True, bmw did factory turbo earlier, but they were also the first to shun them and go back to NA. Supposedly turbos were not condusive to the "driving experience". Toyota seemed to favor turbo charging more. I find it funny now that the shoe is on the other foot, toyota lovers are bitching. The IS350 was just redesigned a few years back and the 3 series is now just being redesigned. WHile they fit in the same class, they achieve power in two different ways. Its apparent BMW did their homework here and made an excellent car that makes power well. Just give it to em. THe IS350 is also great though, just in a different way.

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True, bmw did factory turbo earlier, but they were also the first to shun them and go back to NA. Supposedly turbos were not condusive to the "driving experience". Toyota seemed to favor turbo charging more. I find it funny now that the shoe is on the other foot, toyota lovers are bitching. The IS350 was just redesigned a few years back and the 3 series is now just being redesigned. WHile they fit in the same class, they achieve power in two different ways. Its apparent BMW did their homework here and made an excellent car that makes power well. Just give it to em. THe IS350 is also great though, just in a different way.

Absolutely correct and GREAT POINT. BMW made many mentions of "never going to FI" and "its not pure" thus they went with a V-10 in the new M5 for instance.
Thing is AMG and Benz were (And still are) kicking their ass with power with superchargers and turbos. the funny thing is they now have a new 6.3 N/A engine.

Yes let's go back even farther into the 1970's when BMW came out with a fantastic little car called the 2002. I'm just saying that BMW did it's factory turbo fun before Toyota did, to my knowledge. Not counting racing engines or any twin turbo setups, just a single turbo, but wtf do I know I'm a noob. Anyways BMW ftw.

The 2002 is legendary but that car has nothing to do with the cars being discussed now. My point was
Toyota/Lexus 3.0 TT makes 320hp
BMW 3.0 TT (using Mitshbishi turbos) makes 300hp

We have seen the modability of the 2JZ, easy 600hp street cars, 1,100 dyno monsters.

I am not taking anything away from BMW engines, they traditionally have made fantastic engines.

[CleanCL]

Absolutely correct and GREAT POINT. BMW made many mentions of "never going to FI" and "its not pure" thus they went with a V-10 in the new M5 for instance.
Thing is AMG and Benz were (And still are) kicking their ass with power with superchargers and turbos. the funny thing is they now have a new 6.3 N/A engine.

what?? um... NO benz isnt kicking anything but their own ass... the 4 door m5 fucks the amg cl63 in the ass, you dont even need to look at the m6 which rips the SLR a new asshole. benz cant top anything bmw has done. another good example, take the top of the line C class and compare it to a 328 non sport... bmw still out performs and out handles.

"were and still are" =

benz = luxury
bmw = sport you just cant compare the two

[OneSlow5pt0]

what?? um... NO benz isnt kicking anything but their own ass... the 4 door m5 fucks the amg cl63 in the ass, you dont even need to look at the m6 which rips the SLR a new asshole. benz cant top anything bmw has done. another good example, take the top of the line C class and compare it to a 328 non sport... bmw still out performs and out handles.

"were and still are" =

benz = luxury
bmw = sport you just cant compare the two

i hope that was a joke

also SLK will kill the Z4........and SL65 AMG are bad mo fo

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what?? um... NO benz isnt kicking anything but their own ass... the 4 door m5 fucks the amg cl63 in the ass, you dont even need to look at the m6 which rips the SLR a new asshole. benz cant top anything bmw has done. another good example, take the top of the line C class and compare it to a 328 non sport... bmw still out performs and out handles.

"were and still are" =

benz = luxury
bmw = sport you just cant compare the two

Kiddo, you sound silly. The M5 might outhandle a AMG car but we are talking about power. The M5 makes 500hp peak but only 380 lbs of torque. The E55 made 450hp or so and over 500lbs of torque. The E63 makes about the same hp but more torque than a M5.

Don't get me started on AMG S65 or SL 65 etc cars. We are talking TWIN TURBO V-12s with over 700lbs of torque.

The M6 cannot hold a candle to the SLR. I almost cannot take you serious.

The SLR produces 617hp and 575 lbs or torque. It is a SUPER car. The M6 is not. End of discussion.