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Just because something FITS does not mean it was meant to go there. I am sure the balance is pretty off and a lot of chassis strengthening had to be done to fit those bigger engines.Originally Posted by jfman
The 3 comes with a I-4 or even diesels in Europe. You simply don't stuff a V-8 or V-10 in there unless you want to twist the entire chassis. You have to mod the entire car to do it RIGHT.
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Gatorfag was implying that they went FI because they did not know how to install a bigger NA I6 without "redesinging the chassis" What a moron.
Just another tidbit on why BMW put twin turbos in the 335. They found themselves beat out by Lexus in power and speed and needed to add more power. The existing chassis could not accomadate a larger displacement motor in inline form. Their only choice to make a quick imporvement was to add the turbos. It was either that or redesign the chassis.
Last edited by jfman; 08-31-2007 at 10:46 PM.
It would not give them the performance they needed to one-up the Lexus motor. The M3 had a 3.2l I6 with 333hp and 262tq. And in the 3415 lb M3 went from 0-60 in 5s with a 1/4 mile of around 13.6s. The IS350 had a 3.5l V6 with 306hp (*under the old measure of hp would have been around 320-330hp) and 277tq. The 3500 lb Lexus went from 0-60 in 5.1s and the 1/4 mile in around 13.7s. Putting the 3.2l motor from the M3 would not have gotten the performance that BMW was looking for, hence my comment for the choice was to go FI.
Read above shit-stain. The M3 motor was not enough. I have personally run M3's in my IS350 and run side-by-side with them. The performance is very, very close. At the track, I have run 13.4's with a stock IS350. The 335 with the 3.2l engine would not have been enough to beat IS350 in power.
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bmw is one of the most balanced companies that produces vehicles...they dont put something on the road unless the weight ratio is off less than 47/53 - 50/50. Weight ratio is almost perfect.
As for the new M3 (as well as the M6), the reason for the carbon fiber ROOF is to lower the center of gravity even MORE, making it more balance, thus making it handle even better.
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Bmw X3, X5Originally posted by CleanCL
Any one of BMWs line up could be classified as a sports car/sport luxurySuv. Also I still can't believe the term "rice" got thrown into this thread. I wish some people would understand that Bmw can be undercut by a "lesser" brand. Again, look at my previous post comparing Bmw and lexus and that pretty much it up.
Last edited by BlkCD5; 09-01-2007 at 01:25 AM.
Americans are fooled by BMW here. In Europe you can get super slow I-4 3 series cars AND 5 series cars. There is a 520 in Europe that makes 159 hp, lol.Bmw X3, X5
You can get a 6 cylinder 6 and 7 series as well. BMW to protect their "image" does not sell those cars here.
Now we get the Toyota priced and Corolla competition 1-series, a lil hatchback.
Then check this crap out.
http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/b...0-bmw-minicar/There have been numerous reports pertaining to the possibility of BMW building a new model positioned below the 1-series hatch that’ll share its underpinnings with the current Mini. Not only would the car be the first FWD BMW, it would also be cheapest as it’s rumored to cost less than the aforementioned Mini.
Part of the reason for BMW considering such a model is the mounting environmental awareness that’s spreading across Europe. A new, low-emissions minicar would help reduce BMW’s fleet average emissions levels in light of the new CO2 standards being pushed by the EU and it’d also give it a better standing against similar superminis being developed by rival brand Audi and to a less extent VW.
Though we highly doubt BMW designers would style the car after the striking Concept CS as this rendering suggests, any model wearing the Propeller Badge would likely feature the trademark kidney grille. According to earlier reports, development has been carried out on the new model although final production plans are yet to be confirmed.
If given the go-ahead, production would likely be outsourced to Magna Steyr but the engines and drivetrain would be built by BMW at plants in Germany. How the new model will live up to the ‘Ultimate Driving Machine’ ethos, however, is anyone’s guess.
via motorauthorityPrevew: 2009 BMW F5
Posted on Tuesday 28 August 2007
BMW is currently developing two new models based on its 3 and 5-series sedans, which will be taking the luxury brand into new territory. The new models are best described as MPV-wagons, but unlike the current Touring models the new cars will feature a taller ride-height and high roof to maximize interior space. Though the cars’ names are yet to be finalized, earlier reports suggested the new lineup would adopt ‘F’ badging with the two new cars being called the F3 and F5.
The F5 is expected to go head-to-head with Mercedes-Benz’ R-class but given its poor sales we have to question why BMW thinks the luxury-MPV segment is worthy of competing in. The smaller F3, meanwhile, is designed to rival Mercedes’ B-class.
This new rendering is a good indication of the final design of the larger F5 variant. Engine options will remain the same as its donor 5-series sedan but don’t expect anything bigger than a six-cylinder to feature.
The expected launch date for the F5 is in mid-2009, with the smaller F3 set to appear one year later. However, before we see any of the F models, BMW will launch its all new X6 crossover due in the second half of next year.
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Sorry man, but its a 518. In Euro they arent as much of a highline car company, completely different market here. However, that doesnt mean that a 535 performs differently here as it does over there.
As for those pictures you posted, they're just concepts and more than likely wont look anything near that...go take a look at the BMW CS concept.
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Have you ever driven an X5 4.8, E53 or the new body style?Bmw X3, X5
It outruns/out performs/out handles the Porsche Cayenne Turbo
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I disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.Have you ever driven an X5 4.8, E53 or the new body style?
It outruns/out performs/out handles the Porsche Cayenne Turbo
520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.
Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.
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x2..porsche cayenne is the shit dizzleI disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.
520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.
Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.
but id probbly take a Benz suv over a BMW
The AMG ML and G wagon are beasts. We had a guy in a AMG Kleeman G-wagon at our SELOC/GA3S drag day and he was running high 11s in the 1/4!!!
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Agreed.I disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.
520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.
Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.
thats why I didnt say the Turbo S, turbo S gets it owns the 4.8I disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.
520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.
Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.
Cayenne Turbo S > X5 4.8
Cayenne, Cayenne S, Cayenne Turbo < X5 4.8
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I agree with you, thus BMW does NOT make a V-10 3 series. The aftermarket shoehorned that engine in there.
The new M3 V-8 is more compact and lighter than the old M5 V-8 and M3 I-6. Its quite a marvel. I am in no way putting BMWs down, they are fabulous cars.
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