Quote Originally Posted by sport_122
I answered your question, twice, (refer to your statement on believers being unwilling to learn). This is your chance to TEACH me.

In the true fashion of someone who is "close minded" and unwilling to LEARN, you ignored my question again (I thought I, the believer, was supposed to do that). You may be older than me but you don't seem to know as much as you think. Even the very nature of our current economy shows that people who are not physically in front of you can have a personal effect on you, that is so elementary. If you are going to ask a question of me then you should be able to answer on your own grounds as well.

so why don't you tell me what any scientist, or anyone has done for you personally? The truth is that MOST of our influences stem from things that we DO NOT have a personal contact with. Things you read, things you see on TV, things on the internet and technology. For you to say "That's what I thought" means that you can answer that question. If you can't your argument is fail and that goes to show you are just talking and have really put no thought into the statement you made to me. None of your statements have validity to me unless you can do that. I would even settle for you being able to make a valid comment with support on anything I said in my past two posts instead of ignoring the discussion and not proving any point at all.
This discussion/debate is pretty interesting. Sport122 keeps saying that BabyJ is close minded, but I think he is more of a "It might be possible, but I'll believe it when I see it" type. Does not mean he is close minded, but instead just sticks to cold hard facts. Now BabyJ asked you a question, "What has Jesus done for you personally?" which pretty much gets a different answer from everyone, even though he has really never done anything. The thought or belief of Jesus has changed the lives of several people though.

"I have not met Thomas Edison, but I can safely say that if he never existed, the light bulb might have never been invented." What I am getting at is the difference between all the influential people/scientists you mentioned and Jesus is that, there is some proof that they existed and lived the influential life they led, however the same cannot be said about Jesus. Sure the thought of his existence has helped many in shaping their lives, etc, but never personally.

Going back to the Thomas Edison comment I made...that was more of a quote of what people usually would argue, but did you know that Egyptians did have a light bulb, with a similar spiral filament that did use electricity or something similar. They had to have light to construct and carve on the walls, and if they had used some type of fire burnt by oil, it would have left even a little bit of soot resin, which no one has been able to find. Where did they get the electricity? There are a lot of history mysteries and some things that can be questioned about the past and how it could be repeating itself, but I choose to believe that simply because it is more credible.