Do you believe in God? Simple question

[BABY J]

You are a growm man and write posts like a 15 year old... way to be a role model and an example for the youngsters who are looking for you to show them that you have some sort of real clout.

I do not care to be a role model for ANY1. Maybe you do --- if so, congrats. I do not think I have enough things figured out about life to direct or MIS-direct any1 and have their blood on my hands. WE are not not here long enough for me to be concerned w/ you - others - and how other view me. I'm not co-dependant.

You mock and scoff and say I'm illogical. If you have found fault in my logic then where are your counter arguments to prove it wrong? the misquoting, and trying to twist context of my words is childish. What are you 30 years old?

Just the same as you are doing. You know why you are still here? Still posting? You are doing this b/c you can't "reach" me. You can't "see" me. You suck at soulwinning and it's getting to you. I haven't given you anything to grab on to in order for you to tear it down... unlike you. This is by design. You are trying to fight something that you can't see... is it fun yet?

First off:

learning how to communicate does not tell them that 1+1=2. And does not tell them that e=mc^2. You knew how to communicate before you started algebra, or science. BTW, what does anything you say have to do with the topic. Now you have reduced your arguments to going back and trying to misquote me, I can do that to, but it gets us nowhere.

Why would a single baby in a room need 1+1 = 2?? You ask a dumb question and provide a STUPID example from day one. A stupid example gets a STUPID answer. So... you put your SINGLE baby in a room... what the FUCK does it need 1+1 for? What does 1+1 provide for a single being in a room? ZERO!!! This baby earns ZERO by knowing that answer -- and LOSES zero by not knowing it. But what happens when you put 2 babies in that same room --- and you drop in 2 bottles. They have to "learn" that "1+1=2" (in reality they don't need to learn this at all, all they really need to learn is that when the bottles are dropped in there is enuff for them both to eat, but I'll play along w/ your dumb example). The only reason that "math" and "language" exist is the need to communicate across lines --- this "need" to understand is what drives existance... and this need is why the Aesops Fables known as the bible exist.

What has any scientist personally done for you? I'm STILL waiting... What has any person who wrote your text books to tell you what logic was done for you? What about your math books? Did you personally meet all these people? Here's a rule that much smarter men than you and I use in discussion/debate...never ask a question that you cannot provide a solid answer for which is grounded in your platform.

I do not claim any SCIENTIST to be my "Lord and Savior" dipshit. Is Jesus your Lord and Saviour? Surely a "walk w/ God" is a personal one -- no? If that is the case then he PERSONALLY must do things for you -- which you have not been able to prove. Sir Issac Newton is not my PERSONAL "Lord and Saviour". He's not my PERSONAL Scientist. But even after his death you can SEE and PROVE and FEEL gravity, although you can escape it and overcome it's forces, it STILL exists. You follow me or should I go on making you look retarded... NOT for getting your opinion out there... but trying to debate it w/ me. In order for you to do that you have to know what I truly think... and I have not given you that... nor will I. What has textbooks done for me? Math alows me to plug in formulas ANYWHERE on the planet and communicate mathematically. THAT is all I require of it - I don't beg the invisible math God's for more --- why, b/c everything that I can see is enough for me in this life. While you --- have to know that Math came from the Numbers God and how he died on the cross and how your life would be nothing w/out his "sacrifice". Speaking of sacrifice --- "God" rose didn't he? Some "sacrifice"... sounds like to he He is an indian giver. Last I checked a sacrifice was something you GIVE UP in exchange for something else... not something you give up and then take back 3 days later.

Even the very link you posted shows your False sense of knowledge. You may impress a bunch of young kids on a forum, but I'm a grown man. I have degree's on the very topic that we are discussing. You attack my faith, but I am using YOUR method of "logic" (science) to show you that you are WRONG!!!

You have degrees? Wecome to the club... as do I. WOW. How do you attain such a degree? Surely some1 TAUGHT you that right? So you are basically going on the ideals of "some guy" who could be wrong. That's funny, b/c that's the very point you argued AGAINST another poster in this very same thread. I do not attack your faith - in fact, I said if it makes you feel better about your existence and makes you sleep better at night then kudos to you - whatever works for you is fine with me, no matter how stupid I think it is.

You have no logic. If you had logic you would be able to construct a post that is not opinion and repeated mockery and rhetoric. If you are going to be atheist or non theist at least have the decency to really learn what that position is about and how to defend it with integrity. The best arguments you have now are reduced to an attempt at misdirection to try to ridicule me in order to gain some sort of applause from fellow forum members. YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THAT YOU CANNOT ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION USING YOUR LOGIC? This is a very childish way to try to have a conversation or even an argument about anything. Okay, you got jokes, I applaud you. I salute you, I bow my hat to you, now that its done, stand your ground on your statements and show that you got balls to LOGICALLY and INTENTIONALLY defend them.

Ok. I have zero logic. All I am posting is OPINION. Please show me your logic. Show me something that is not OPINION. You can't - hence the topic of the thread is "do you believe" not "can you prove". Welcome to the debate. I couldn't care less about any1 on this board than I do right now. We share a mutual hobby - we are not "friends" - we don't do dinner unless it's car-centric... we don't do movie dates unless those movies are about cars. I do not live to get the favor, hand-claps and/or approval of strangers. Swing and a miss.

If you want to dialog, do it if not stop trying to say you got the answer and I don't. I am inviting you to dialog with me. Im willing to sit down and debate you in front of scientists, not priests. You keep trying to act as if I brought up the bible to prove my point, and you keep acting as if I brought up jesus to make my arguments, I didn't, YOU DID!!! You call me a typical thumper, but I am not. I even have friends who don't believe in God, but get a good laugh at your foolish arguements.

Oh I assure you sir that I'm getting all of the LOLs here. This long-winded post of yours proves my point that you can't AFFORD to be proven wrong... why? B/c you go to hell. There are LOTS of Gods... LOTS of religions... you can't AFFORD to be wrong or your whole life is a lie. What a mind fuck. I don't belive in God... that affords me PLENTY of time to sit and have some1 provide a view to me and BACK IT UP - I learn something this way. There are not RIGHT and WRONG answers here.. we know this, that's why this thread probably exists on every major message board that will allow it. But you know what there IS? There is good old SAT style answers like "this answer is more right" --- and you better believe that IMO I am more right than you are. Are you not smart enough to know that you can't argue OPINIONS?? You do know this right? "This apple pie tastes better than that one." - LOL. You're the guy who stays up to 3am arguing w/ a guy on the internet about that one while your wife is in the other room w/ a fire in between her legs that needs to be put out. YOU CAN'T WIN A DEBATE ABOUT OPINION!! Move it along... there is nothing else to see here.

I am meeting you on the very ground that you claim proves you are correct in all you say. I am inviting you to show people that you were not just spitting BS when you said, I was wrong about science and religion. You made the statement now put up your evidence. I have put mine up. Stop saying you are using logic and use it. You keep talking all this illogical nonsense, well where is your proof of faulted logic.

HAHA - evidence? You put up evidence?? That's laughable. Your soul-winning mission failed miserably. It will continue to fail w/ me b/c at the end of the day I don't GIVE a fuck where we came from... I do not choose to serve a being who "has all power in his hands" yet does nothing but watch pain, suffering, dieing for HIS OWN CREATION! All in the name of "love". The WORST PERSON I know would give up his life to end all suffering... while your "God" could only "think" about it and make it right. You are OBVIOULSY not well-traveled... and if you are, I imagine you went to the "kool" vacation spots. I know this b/c of your stance. Tell you what... I'll PAY for your ticket to D'jbouti Africa... I'll PAY for your lodging for 14 days --- you tell me what you see when you walk down the street and come back and tell me there is a guy who is watching it all unfold, has the power in 1 eyelash to fix it and won't.

You THINK b/c you got your miracle mortgage payment outta nowhere that one time last spring that your faith has been tested? LAUGHABLE. You think that b/c you were cured of cancer that He exists? You think that b/c you were SOOO suicidal and are a ex-druggie and now that you're clean "GOD" made it happen - LAUGHABLE. Tell you what Sherlock... do 2 Baghdads (I HAVE). Do 3 Afghanistans (I HAVE). Do Somalia (I HAVE --- TWICE). Do Horn of Africa (I HAVE). Do counter-drug anywhere in S. America (I HAVE). Do the worst spots in Thailand where the most SEASONED soldiers literally fall to the ground like a bitch, refuse to walk and have to be carried to the infirmary from seeing only 30 seconds worth of half a block of an entire country that's in the tank. Do THAT, and if you come back a believer I'll give you a PERCENTAGE of a minute of my time to argue your fucked up "opinion" on how good God is. KTHNXBYE