Quote Originally Posted by Ronsam2006
This discussion/debate is pretty interesting. Sport122 keeps saying that BabyJ is close minded, but I think he is more of a "It might be possible, but I'll believe it when I see it" type. Does not mean he is close minded, but instead just sticks to cold hard facts. Now BabyJ asked you a question, "What has Jesus done for you personally?" which pretty much gets a different answer from everyone, even though he has really never done anything. The thought or belief of Jesus has changed the lives of several people though.

"I have not met Thomas Edison, but I can safely say that if he never existed, the light bulb might have never been invented." What I am getting at is the difference between all the influential people/scientists you mentioned and Jesus is that, there is some proof that they existed and lived the influential life they led, however the same cannot be said about Jesus. Sure the thought of his existence has helped many in shaping their lives, etc, but never personally.

Going back to the Thomas Edison comment I made...that was more of a quote of what people usually would argue, but did you know that Egyptians did have a light bulb, with a similar spiral filament that did use electricity or something similar. They had to have light to construct and carve on the walls, and if they had used some type of fire burnt by oil, it would have left even a little bit of soot resin, which no one has been able to find. Where did they get the electricity? There are a lot of history mysteries and some things that can be questioned about the past and how it could be repeating itself, but I choose to believe that simply because it is more credible.
Good post.

I am saying this because it takes being closed minded to think that science is not a parallel to religion and to be able to ask the question he asked, without being able to provide and answer is showing me that he is not here to gain better understanding of anything, but simply to antagonize.

Meaning, that not everything in science is proven fact. Even the very interpretation of results means that you have to approach your finding with faith. You have to assume that you have covered all your bases, you have to assume that all the methods and the components that make up your experiments were properly understood by past scientist in order to make your results work. You have to believe that there are answers to the questions you are asking, and you have to believe that you can somehow at some point in time come to a realization of those answers. All these things are product of "faithful/hopeful" thinking, which is the way that many religions are structured.

There is no question that Jesus was a real person. There are tons of other writings aside from the Bible to prove his existence. He is not fictional. The Romans kept great records. Even the biblical story of his crucifixion gives enough evidence to be cross referenced. Pontius Pilate, Herod, Peter, John the Baptist...they all exist in non-religious writings from the romans. The Jews wrote about him and there are other records that indicate his actual existence. That is not even a question. The problems with him all come from the claims he made, but Jesus is just as real as MLK or Abe Lincoln.

Good point about the Egyptians...that is one of the cultures that had a much better understanding than we give them credit for.