Scripture a day (Islam Edition)

[David88vert]

lol... "anything goes" without religion... not really worthy of comment.

It's true - an atheist is accountable to no deity by very definition. Whatever that person sees as good or evil doesn't really matter, they can choose to be evil without worry that it will affect them after death, and if they kill someone else, what does it really matter, since life has no real meaning?

I've given you Dahmer's statement twice earlier in this thread, and you've ignored it twice. You probably need a new thread for atheism, as it's not Islam.

Political influence is a major victory. Islam has influence within the american government, the strongest nation in the world. That is a victory.

President Ronald Reagan met the leaders of the Islamic Jihad at the White House in 1985. Did you believe that they just gained access to the US government after 9/11?

Promoting Islam is promoting criminal activity. That is the point. Islam should not be promoted at all. If Muhammad was alive today and living his life the way he preached in the united states... he would be on par with this guy.... and jailed.
(photo of Ariel Castro)

So, just believing in a religion is now criminal activity? What country do you live in? You might want to move to the US, where we do not criminalize belief in a deity.

If Muhammed was alive today and was living in the US, he would not be prosecuted for his religious beliefs. If he broke the laws of the US, then he would be prosecuted for breaking those laws, as an individual, not the entire religion.

Ariel Castro has nothing to do with Islam, and using his likeness means that you are resorting to sensationalistic tactics that the Democrats love.

A political foothold is the best strategy for world domination. That is what theyre seeking. We will never fall to warships landing on our beaches.... we can only fall from within. The war is being waged.....

I understand what you are trying to say here, and I would agree that radical extremists from all groups (religious and non-religious) recognize that this is the only effective strategy with the US. So, shouldn't the attacks work in the opposite manner - to drive us away from them?

CIA finds 1 in 5 flagged job applicants come from Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda - Washington Times

Don't we do the same to them? Does this report surprise you? We've already agreed that there are radicals out there.

We need limited government that doesnt attempt to control our lives. I'd love to see proof of genocide worse than that of government and religion.

You know that I agree 100% with the underlined statement.

As for the genocides, look up these:
Moriori Genocide - Tribal conflict, wiped out the peaceful group. No government or religion involved.

Rwandan Genocide - The poor rose up and killed the rich, Hundreds of thousands were killed—the preferred method of execution being the machete, as ammunition was too expensive and difficult to come by. Rape, mutilation, and the deliberate spread of disease were also used as tools of terror. Between 500K and 1M died. No religion or government.

Irish Potato Famine - Over 1M died. The wealthy British kicked the poor Irish farmers off the land, and let them starve. I slisted on some (but not all lists) as genocide.

Congoese Pygmy Genocide - Hunted and eaten by the Movement for the Liberation of the Congo during the civil war in the Congo. Still be starved and dying out.

Inca Genocide - Francisco Pizarro slaughtered them for gold and precious metals.

Aztec Genocide - Hernán Cortés slaughtered them for their gold.

American Indian Genocide - Many were slaughtered for land.

There are many more. To blame one thing - government, religion, guns, etc for al the killing is foolish.

They were a part of their governments. There's really not that much difference in religion and government, they both serve relative functions with similar interests. Things become chaotic when either of their roles are not limited. Limited government and limited religion can serve humanity well. It's when they over reach that the problems begin.

On this, we mostly agree. You don't want a government run by religious leaders, or a religion run by the government. That is in line with how the founding fathers setup our American government.

No, i think the 2.6m muslims in america are meek and incapable of separating themselves from the radicals. Even far removed from the oppression and shielded by the safety of american law, they still claim allegiance to the radical religion. In the event the extremist started migrating here, they would have the political support of the muslims that exist here. The hive mind of religious groups is very strong.

You believe that 2.6 million Americans are just suddenly going to turn on everything that they were taught their entire lives, and just fall in line with those who they have disagreed with all their lives? Do you believe that would happen if we substitute "Christians" in place of "Muslims"?

I don't really think that we are going to come to any real agreements or understandings here, so when you are ready to get back to discussion of the scriptures, I will join back in the discussion.

[Sinfix_15]

So, just believing in a religion is now criminal activity? What country do you live in? You might want to move to the US, where we do not criminalize belief in a deity.

If Muhammed was alive today and was living in the US, he would not be prosecuted for his religious beliefs. If he broke the laws of the US, then he would be prosecuted for breaking those laws, as an individual, not the entire religion.

Ariel Castro has nothing to do with Islam, and using his likeness means that you are resorting to sensationalistic tactics that the Democrats love.

Muhammad would be viewed as a pedophile and rapist. He viewed women as objects that he could own and enslave, just like Castro. He would be put in prison, just like Castro.

Sahih chapter 8
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.

[David88vert]

Muhammad would be viewed as a pedophile and rapist. He viewed women as objects that he could own and enslave, just like Castro. He would be put in prison, just like Castro.

Sahih chapter 8
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.

Like I said, he could only be prosecuted for any crimes that he actually committed, and only if here in the US - not for religious beliefs, as religious beliefs are not crimes. You can have dreams of killing thousands of people as part of a religious ceremony, but unless you make plans to do so, you have not committed a prosecutable crime. The moment that a person formulates such a plan, you know that I am right there with you in calling for their trial and subsequent punishment f convicted.

So, do you have any reason to believe that Castro was secretly a Muslim, and was acting on religious teachings?

[Sinfix_15]

Like I said, he could only be prosecuted for any crimes that he actually committed, and only if here in the US - not for religious beliefs, as religious beliefs are not crimes. You can have dreams of killing thousands of people as part of a religious ceremony, but unless you make plans to do so, you have not committed a prosecutable crime. The moment that a person formulates such a plan, you know that I am right there with you in calling for their trial and subsequent punishment f convicted.

So, do you have any reason to believe that Castro was secretly a Muslim, and was acting on religious teachings?

Nobody said Castro was a muslim.

Just comparing one rapist pedophile who enslaves women to another rapist pedophile who enslaves women.

If Muhammad was alive today and came to the US with 9 year old brides, he should either be jailed or should have not been allowed to come here in the first place. The same thing i propose for all muslims. If your religion beliefs break american laws, then stay where ever you are to practice them.

[David88vert]

Nobody said Castro was a muslim.

Just comparing one rapist pedophile who enslaves women to another rapist pedophile who enslaves women.

If Muhammad was alive today and came to the US with 9 year old brides, he should either be jailed or should have not been allowed to come here in the first place. The same thing i propose for all muslims. If your religion beliefs break american laws, then stay where ever you are to practice them.

Are you saying that our current laws and enforcement are allowing Muslims to come to the US right now with 9 year old brides? Are you aware of any Muslims in the US that have underage brides currently, and are not currently being prosecuted by our legal system?
Where are our current laws allowing Muslims to get away with criminal activity within our borders?

[Sinfix_15]

Are you saying that our current laws and enforcement are allowing Muslims to come to the US right now with 9 year old brides? Are you aware of any Muslims in the US that have underage brides currently, and are not currently being prosecuted by our legal system?
Where are our current laws allowing Muslims to get away with criminal activity within our borders?

The religion itself promotes criminal activity. I am not saying stateside muslims are criminals, though i wish they would realize my initial statement.