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Atheists are very much a group. There are many organizations of them, complete with lobbying groups. Have you not seen their billboards in Muslim communities?

Stating "there is no god/gods" is a belief. If you said that you didn't know if there was a god/gods, then that would be different.
Can you direct me to the atheist "bible" so i can read it and educate myself on this group i apparently belong to. I'm curious to what our commandments are and if child rape or beheading is allowed.

I clearly renounce being a part of any group. If muslims did the same, we wouldnt be having this conversation.



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How is it empowering the radicals? Give an example of an actual measurable empowerment.



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Mohammed never lived in the US - we can't prosecute him. That little tidbit might have escaped your attention.
( ^ sarcastic comment ^ )
Neither did Osama Bin Laden.

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"If your muslim friends are as peaceful as they claim to be, they will endorse that message as well rather than take steps to protect islam from free speech." - My Muslim friends certainly do support the laws of the US, and abide by them. They also support free speech - which I have to wonder if you do. You sound like you would like to ban the Qur'an's teachings in the US, and the rest of the world, if possible.
I dont want to ban free speech or the Koran. I just dont want it endorsed by my government. A lot of Islamic traditions are illegal in the united states..... how can our government promote tolerance of this criminal activity. It should be condemned. I dont want to see Islam made illegal, i just want the promotion to stop. Rape fetish porn is legal, that doesnt mean our government should promote tolerance of it.


Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
Stating that people are pawns implies that they are participants on a battlefield, and that they know that (willing participants). That isn't the case. They are not being "moved around" the battlefield, and are not participating in any of the conflict. If anything, they would be spectators in the stands at a football game.
They are bushes that the enemy hides in.

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I am not defending Islam. I point out reality and facts, that's it.
These "lone acts of terrorism" - how do they help these radical extremists control and conquer the world? That's what you said that Islam was all about - conquering, dominating, and controlling the world. How did the acts of the Boston bombers advance the radicals in their quest to conquer the US? Show an example of it.
You assume that these criminals are rational human beings. The boston bombing was a victory for islamic terrorists. 9/11 was a victory.... the attacks on our embassy are victories....


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I love when people pretend that without religion or government, everything would be great. It's a myth that is easily dispelled.
Here are six atheists that killed a large amount of people.

Stalin - Estimated to have killed between 20 and 60 million (the higher number is indirect through starvation/hunger)
Pol Pot - Estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population).
Mao - Blamed for the deaths of between 20 and 67 million, including 5 million executed in death camps. Another 36 million were persecuted and tortured.
Mussolini - Only around 300,000 - not bad, right?
Napoleon - Estimated 6 million dead Europeans.

None of the above involved religion. These were atheists that killed. And that's just six of them.
Communist
Communist
Communist
Fascist
Monarch

Ummm...... you saw the part where i said governments right? As much as you want to make people who do not believe in gods a group, they are not. I have nothing in common with any of these individuals and their power stemmed from governing authority. I am a strong advocate against big government and the government's authority to rule over people. Was this comment meant for someone else???





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So they are evil for doing good, but being associated with Islam?
Your logic is astounding (sarcastic comment).
Theyre not evil. The religion itself is evil and they have fallen victim to it. You boast the numbers of muslims in america and the number world wide. Because of these numbers they continue to gain political influence. With that political influence, they advance their religion globally. As i already said...... i fear the politician more than the sword or bullet.