Scripture a day (Islam Edition)

[David88vert]

I dont badger them, but theyre aware that i question their beliefs. I think questioning in general is healthy. Most reasonable people do not reject questioning. My friend at work reminds me of Geoff from this sight. He always makes his best attempt to answer the questions and engages in an open debate. My friends are the same way, sometimes they come back with a valid counter and sometimes they admit they dont understand. Overall it's a healthy debate and both sides are aware that they are opposing beliefs. They are more than aware that i do not endorse their religions. My sense of humor doesnt read well, i'm a little more charming in person.

To me, that sounds much more reasonable that your earlier statements. Of course, I agree that questioning is not a bad thing.

No, those beliefs do not make them evil. You help my claim in saying that "not all KKK members were bad" even though the KKK itself is indefensible. It was the whole part about not thinking black people were human beings with rights that made the KKK bad, not their political beliefs.

I think that your use of the KKK argument was definitely a solid and rational point.

There's only one problem - one of the people that they hung out with during these discussions was an old black man. They didn't seem to have any problems with respecting his opinion, and certainly didn't see him as a "lesser man" (granted that he was the only black man in their group, and not a member as far as I know). So, where were they evil/bad/terrible?

Religious tolerance is not a bad thing, its a dangerous thing. The right path is not always the easy path. Being tolerant of outside religions opens a lot of doors for evil to infiltrate our society. It creates a certain level of danger. We accept this danger in the name of doing the right thing. I was joking when i used batman as an example, but that's a good example. Batman's job is more dangerous because he does it the right way. It would have been a lot easier to just shoot everyone up.

So, what is your solution? Would you force everyone that is Muslim into concentration camps, exile them out of the country, stop allowing any Muslim immigrants into the US, etc? Do we stop having religious tolerance in the US and become "un-American"?

Not every piece on the board is a knight, some are just pawns. I dont believe the ones who embrace the american way of life are following the scripture as it was intended. That is a compliment to them. My question is why do they continue to claim affiliation to islam.... is it because they like the bon fires?

So, you believe that these children born in America are being deceived from birth? What advantage is that to this "grand Islamic plot"?
Perhaps the Islamic scriptures that they were preached to by the iman taught them to live in peace and harmony? Or is that too difficult for you to believe?
See, I know Muslims here in America that have raised their children to adults, and I know other Muslims completely unrelated to the others that are currently raising their children to be peaceful. I'm talking about different Muslims, with different backgrounds, some born in the US, some in other countries, some raised since birth to be Muslim, and others who have converted is Islam. They all have in common their peaceful integration into the American way of life. This knowledge that I have of them at a close, personal level run completely contrary to what you have been stating over and over again. Do you think that these unrelated groups (they don't know each other) somehow are being controlled and brainwashed to be enemies of yours without any common denominators? That does not seem logical to me.

I could argue that it's a display of masculinity. This is a common practice throughout Islam. It's a male dominant religion and a lot of it involves gamesmanship and grandstanding. It's easier to paint these actions as mockery than it is to say theyre embracing western culture. Sharia law also permits "breaking the rules" to deceive infidels.

Actually, it's a bunch of Islamic kids that just go to London each summer and have fun, then go back home in time for the prayers and fasting. There is no "mocking" of western culture - they do this every year and love it. It's no different than American college kids heading down to Daytona. You are making baseless assumptions about something you know nothing about. They aren't deceiving anyone, they are just having a good time - unless you believe that somehow every single one of them is an active terrorist just there to scout out targets.

I didnt say theyre automatically bad.... the "good muslims" are the "KKK members who just like bon fires"

So then, by your statement - you believe that people don't need religion to be good, but "good Muslims" are walking advertisements for evil.

You know, I saw a lot of condemnation for the Boston bombers from the Muslim community. How does that work with "hanging around the bonfire"?