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    Quote Originally Posted by msanch24 View Post
    What the hell? I'm not allowed to question? To ask for discussion? I may not be easily influenced, but I'm offended by this statement. I'm on the search for evidence. Reason to believe. Because you are unable to give me this, you infer that the thread is a mockery?
    Uh... Yeah. If you truly wanted a reason to believe you would be doing the research for yourself, not relying on random people from the internet to feed you potentially "false" information.

    You're asking on a automotive-based internet forum... For someone to prove God exists to you.


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    "OMG post #143 changed my life"... Could happen, just saying it's not likely.


    But you go on being offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    Uh... Yeah. If you truly wanted a reason to believe you would be doing the research for yourself, not relying on random people from the internet to feed you potentially "false" information.

    You're asking on a automotive-based internet forum... For someone to prove God exists to you.


    GLWS

    "OMG post #143 changed my life"... Could happen, just saying it's not likely.


    But you go on being offended.
    I look everywhere for information. I read and talk with as many people as possible. If that means asking a forum that I frequent, then "uh... yeah", I do that. Don't think you're so special that this is my first exploration in the matter. I have gotten some GREAT responses by the people in this thread, as well as a new list of books to read.

    You can keep the shit to yourself in here, man. You have absolutely no reason to think that I had mocking intentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msanch24 View Post
    I look everywhere for information. I read and talk with as many people as possible. If that means asking a forum that I frequent, then "uh... yeah", I do that. Don't think you're so special that this is my first exploration in the matter. I have gotten some GREAT responses by the people in this thread, as well as a new list of books to read.

    You can keep the shit to yourself in here, man. You have absolutely no reason to think that I had mocking intentions.
    Did you not read your first post? It absolutely drips with sarcasm.

    Quote Originally Posted by msanch24 View Post
    Convince me to believe in a god.

    What's your indisputable, scientific, hard evidence? I don't mean "because the bible says so". Or "I knew a guy who died and God made him breathe again". Give me a tangible, logical reason to accept a faith.

    I await enlightenment.
    Why only God?

    Perhaps your answers are with Allah in the Qur'an

    Or Hinduism, read the 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas and thousands of other texts, prominent amongst them being, Bhagawat Gita,Ramayana and Mahabharata

    Why only Christianity? Why are you only looking to have such a narrow dogmatic view of the world?

    Prove to me your serious about learning and we can talk.


    But I want indisputable, scientific, hard evidence your serious. I don't mean "because the I said so". Or "I knew a guy who read the Bible once and believed in God after". Give me a tangible, logical reason to accept your serious.


    I await enlightenment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    Did you not read your first post? It absolutely drips with sarcasm.

    Why only God?

    Perhaps your answers are with Allah in the Qur'an

    Or Hinduism, read the 4 Vedas, 18 Puranas and thousands of other texts, prominent amongst them being, Bhagawat Gita,Ramayana and Mahabharata

    Why only Christianity? Why are you only looking to have such a narrow dogmatic view of the world?

    Prove to me your serious about learning and we can talk.


    But I want indisputable, scientific, hard evidence your serious. I don't mean "because the I said so". Or "I knew a guy who read the Bible once and believed in God after". Give me a tangible, logical reason to accept your serious.


    I await enlightenment.
    See, the great thing about it is, I don't have to prove shit to you. You interpreted it as sarcasm. Well, that's not my fault, man. That would be your own cynical outlook that caused that. Take this to PM's so you don't clutter up my thread anymore. Otherwise, turn the other cheek and get out of here. (see, that was mockery). And if you feel the need to flex your big "mod muscles" (like so many of you have been lately) and ban me or close this thread, well, then that will just mean that I won this argument, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msanch24 View Post
    See, the great thing about it is, I don't have to prove shit to you. You interpreted it as sarcasm. Well, that's not my fault, man. That would be your own cynical outlook that caused that. Take this to PM's so you don't clutter up my thread anymore. Otherwise, turn the other cheek and get out of here. (see, that was mockery). And if you feel the need to flex your big "mod muscles" (like so many of you have been lately) and ban me or close this thread, well, then that will just mean that I won this argument, I guess.
    As I don't have "shit to prove to you" either. How have I used my "God" (or Mod) powers in any way during this debate? My intention is not to shut-down your argument, but merely defend it with the same criteria that you demand of proof. I have no personal beef with you, or your beliefs and I apologize if you took any of it that way.

    Just merely trying to illustrate the absurd by being absurd.

    Personally, I think it's great you are on a quest for higher learning. I hope you follow in the same vein as C.S. Lewis and others that set out to looking for proof, or for lack of a better term to "disprove" God. If you don't know C.S.Lewis was raised in Christianity and he later described his young self as being paradoxically "very angry with God for not existing"... J.R.R. Tolkien and others were instrumental in his return to faith. I doubt that journey was easy or without disagreement.

    Not sure where me locking this thread and you winning comes into play... Perhaps you think I'm upset at your view?

    Quite the contrary.

    As Thomas Jefferson once wrote... "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

    I would you rather disbelieve in God rather than follow from some blind faith. God has proven his existence to me, however none of which could be proved by the guidelines you set forth during the initial post. I don't think anyone can "prove" God given the limitations of your opening statement.

    But I do wish you only the best in your journey.

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