Christians come on in

[ahabion]

2. Your characterizations of the big bang and the evolution of the universe as being "random" are also not accurate. Just because we don't know why certain things are the way they are doesn't mean it must be random. Just as rolling a die is not random despite how it appears. If you knew all the starting factors (starting angle and velocity, friction of the table, weighting of the die, etc) you could calculate how the die would end up before it was rolled.

Intelligent Design!

I don't mean to insult you in any way but I just wanted to inform you that you may be unintentionally joining in a practice which it seems you do not condone. I think if many religous people simply stated, many of their beliefs were scientifically unproveable or even sometimes illogical, but never the less felt undeniable to them and helped them to lead more fulfilled and enjoyable lives, there would be a lot less animosity between the religious and non-religious groups.

You sir, speak of faith!

Bu, by your very definition summarized the entirety of this section of the forum, in all seriousness. From a Christian viewpoint, God is scientifically unprovable, very much tangibly and humanly illogical or a complete wonder/mystery, but yet completely undeniable for those who call God, Abba, and who thus will live a more fulfilled life through faith.

[bu villain]

Intelligent Design!

Ah yes! What was I thinking.

You sir, speak of faith!

Bu, by your very definition summarized the entirety of this section of the forum, in all seriousness. From a Christian viewpoint, God is scientifically unprovable, very much tangibly and humanly illogical or a complete wonder/mystery, but yet completely undeniable for those who call God, Abba, and who thus will live a more fulfilled life through faith.

Yes exactly! But many people of faith try to convince others that their religious beliefs are based on scientific evidence, rather than just faith. And that's where conflict often begins.