NEW GUN LAWS PASSED!

[ISAtlanta300]

Ok, I'm going to bite. What kind of "harm" do you think you'll get into w/o any formal training?

Not necessarily defending anti-gun laws, but I can see his point.

People react differently under stress. While ONE person may calmly wait for a window of opportunity to take a robber out, others may 'panic' and start shooting wild west style. A stray bullet can travel very far, and unless you are a crack shot, you would be more likely to kill an innocent bystander than the actual robber himself.....

Also, with Guns, some people will rely on it for security vs. their own common sense. They will take more risks because they will think "dark alley? the fuck do I care... I be having a gun, fool !!!!". You give two persons a gun. One may understand it's power and keep in concealed and only as a means of protection. The other will look for an opportunity to actually use it.

I am all for a law that protects the American's right to protect himself. I am all for concealed carrying. I just don't think we should have a line at the local gun license office spanning 10 blocks giving away permits without proper training and screening, while screaming "peeeermiiittts ! Get yo peeerrmmiiitss !! Buy one, get one for your kid free!".

Look how easy it is for anyone to get a gun. Even the Time Squares bomb guy was able to get one LEGALLY.... go figure......

[TIGERJC]

Not necessarily defending anti-gun laws, but I can see his point.

People react differently under stress. While ONE person may calmly wait for a window of opportunity to take a robber out, others may 'panic' and start shooting wild west style. A stray bullet can travel very far, and unless you are a crack shot, you would be more likely to kill an innocent bystander than the actual robber himself.....

Also, with Guns, some people will rely on it for security vs. their own common sense. They will take more risks because they will think "dark alley? the fuck do I care... I be having a gun, fool !!!!". You give two persons a gun. One may understand it's power and keep in concealed and only as a means of protection. The other will look for an opportunity to actually use it.

I am all for a law that protects the American's right to protect himself. I am all for concealed carrying. I just don't think we should have a line at the local gun license office spanning 10 blocks giving away permits without proper training and screening, while screaming "peeeermiiittts ! Get yo peeerrmmiiitss !! Buy one, get one for your kid free!".

Look how easy it is for anyone to get a gun. Even the Time Squares bomb guy was able to get one LEGALLY.... go figure......

Took the words right out of my mouth

[patrick4588]

Not necessarily defending anti-gun laws, but I can see his point.

People react differently under stress. While ONE person may calmly wait for a window of opportunity to take a robber out, others may 'panic' and start shooting wild west style. A stray bullet can travel very far, and unless you are a crack shot, you would be more likely to kill an innocent bystander than the actual robber himself.....

Also, with Guns, some people will rely on it for security vs. their own common sense. They will take more risks because they will think "dark alley? the fuck do I care... I be having a gun, fool !!!!". You give two persons a gun. One may understand it's power and keep in concealed and only as a means of protection. The other will look for an opportunity to actually use it.

I am all for a law that protects the American's right to protect himself. I am all for concealed carrying. I just don't think we should have a line at the local gun license office spanning 10 blocks giving away permits without proper training and screening, while screaming "peeeermiiittts ! Get yo peeerrmmiiitss !! Buy one, get one for your kid free!".

Look how easy it is for anyone to get a gun. Even the Time Squares bomb guy was able to get one LEGALLY.... go figure......

i dont even think i should have to get a permit to carry.... arizona, vermont, alaska dont. havent had any issues from it. Criminals will buy their guns illegally, and carry them illegally. Only law abiding people have to hop thru hoops to get them. Everytime i go thru this argument with someone, all i hear as "if" but "if" but "if", without any proof of anything. Just irrational if statements. Having no places off limits, has not caused issues. There are states with those laws. I cant point to it and say look, they did it, nothing happened. In fact its legal to carry in a restaurant or bar drinking in quite a few states (soon to be GA) *gasp*!!! but there has never been a permit holder murder someone in these places. As i have said before, license holders are the responsible citizens of our society and will make smart decisions as a whole. Just as tiger doesnt carry right now because he feels he would do more harm than good. A license holder wont carry while drinking if he doesnt feel it to be safe. I have friends that carry all the time, but not while drinking. You are legally allowed to be drunk and have a gun btw. In a few statistical studies of permit holders, we actually have a lower crime rate than police officers (who you trust to carry guns everywhere).

[ISAtlanta300]

Criminals will buy their guns illegally, and carry them illegally.

Which does not make it right. If a thief continues to steal even after being locked up, that doesn't mean you should too, just because the thief is able to get away with it.

Only law abiding people have to hop thru hoops to get them.

Wrong. everyone SHOULD have to hop thru hoops to get them. You can not look on the street and see who is a law abiding citizen and who is a psychopath. At least these 'hoops' will attempt to weed out the bad from the good. It is a start.

In fact its legal to carry in a restaurant or bar drinking in quite a few states (soon to be GA) *gasp*!!! but there has never been a permit holder murder someone in these places..

Wel you don't find many people trying to hold up an Applebee's full of people these days......or starting bar fights in one......Like I said, I have no problems with people having the right to carry and/or defend themselves. But I would rather it be done with some type of control. You get tested more extensively to get your driver's licens then to get a gun.

As i have said before, license holders are the responsible citizens of our society and will make smart decisions as a whole. .

And you know this...... how? Have you given each and every one of them a psycological evaluation? I guess the Time Square's bomber was also a 'responsible citizen' until he snapped?

That is all based on assumption. "Gee... he is following the law, so he must be responsible". You'll be amazed how many criminals were following the law and keeping under the radar up until the moment of their crimes.

A license holder wont carry while drinking if he doesnt feel it to be safe. I have friends that carry all the time, but not while drinking.

Again, assumptions. Just because you and your friends are able to handle a firearm with proper judgment doesn't mean every single legal license holder will do the same.

[patrick4588]

Which does not make it right. If a thief continues to steal even after being locked up, that doesn't mean you should too, just because the thief is able to get away with it.

i dont steal. im saying, since you know criminals will have their guns, why would you want to disarm the law abiding and leave only the bad guys with weapons?

Wrong. everyone SHOULD have to hop thru hoops to get them. You can not look on the street and see who is a law abiding citizen and who is a psychopath. At least these 'hoops' will attempt to weed out the bad from the good. It is a start.

criminals dont. just as they buy illegal drugs, just holla at ya homeboi and bam got a strap! Background checks for buying guns is already in place, restricting where ppl can carry does nothing.

Well you don't find many people trying to hold up an Applebee's full of people these days......or starting bar fights in one......Like I said, I have no problems with people having the right to carry and/or defend themselves. But I would rather it be done with some type of control. You get tested more extensively to get your driver's licens then to get a gun.

You obviously do have a problem with ppl carrying. You remind me of politicians saying you like the 2nd amendment but want to restrict it. What part of shall not be infringed is confusing? Your drivers license is not a constitutional right and essential to keeping the government in check. How do you think the american revolution started? Without guns, We would be under britian rule. An armed society is a polite society. A government should fear the people, not vice versa. Once the people fear the government, tryanny was won. And there have been robberies in restaurants before, but even if there hasnt been; i dont want to be the first one. How about walking to or from your car into the restaurant? Anyone ever get shot or robbed in a parking lot?

And you know this...... how? Have you given each and every one of them a psycological evaluation? I guess the Time Square's bomber was also a 'responsible citizen' until he snapped?

Based on statistics, and studies taken, We license holders have a lower crime rate than police officers, so yes i can say that we are more responsible. And yeah you are probably right about the time square bomber, he may have been decent at some point. But there isnt anything you can do about that one person. You cannot restrict millions of people based on the actions of one person.

That is all based on assumption. "Gee... he is following the law, so he must be responsible". You'll be amazed how many criminals were following the law and keeping under the radar up until the moment of their crimes.

exactly. why i want to be prepared at all times. What are you even talking about?

Again, assumptions. Just because you and your friends are able to handle a firearm with proper judgment doesn't mean every single legal license holder will do the same.

No but as a whole license holders make smart decisions

[ISAtlanta300]

You Got it all wrong man. I have stated that I am all for carrying and the right for people to defend themselves, but I would wish it was done with a bit more control and training, especially if they are going to carry it everywhere with them. That's it. You keep hammering about ooh 'thhawws kariminalls are aaauutt to geeeett yaaaaaawwww !!! Run for yer lives !!" In my 10 years in Atlanta, i have NEVER had a confrontation or been robbed at gunpoint. Does that mean that I do not want to arm myself for protection 'just in case'? Not at all. But I am also not going to run, not walk to the nearest gun store to arm me, my wife and my dogs and cats, without proper training on how to operate and handle a weapon. Unfortunately, not everyone has this mentality and a lot will think using a gun it is as easy as just point and shoot. It is too easy to get a gun nowadays and if we are going to be handing them out to every household, at least I wish that they educate and train them how to use it correctly.